I don't think that saying the pledge makes anyone a good citizen. I think you're being a good citizen when you vote, participate in jury duty, behave nicely in other countries to make Americans look like good people, etc. I do all those things and never said the pledge. |
this. Our public school kids proudly state the pledge of allegience as do others. |
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The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist. |
agreed And it is disrespectful to the immigrants Legal and illegal. Parents of legal immigrant children are shocked. Not a custom practiced anywhere in the world Illegals are intimidated to keep their mouths shut. Nationalistic |
Yes, your holy book. It's not mine. I didn't write it and don't subscribe to its teachings. You seem to think freedom of religion means only that your religious institutions shouldn't be taxed, but it also gives me the freedom to choose to follow any or no religion at all. You should add the Constitution to your reading list as well. |
Of the issues facing my kid's school that keep me up at night, this isn't in the top 10. Top 100, actually. Hell, it's not even on the radar screen. In my opinion, the people who get exercised about this (likely the same people who periodically sue to force the U.S. Mint to take "In God We Trust" off of US currency - do all you hysterical biddies refuse to use cash because it implies that you do trust in God?), need to step back, reprioritize, and focus oll that righteous indignation on issues that actually affect their kids.
And I am, as our slightly deranged religious friend would say, a LEFTY LIBERAL LOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!! And an agnostic to boot. The horror. (Seriously, lady, you come off as more than a bit nuts.) |
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How so? Where are the eugenics in this? |
I do not refuse to use money because of that. I also don't recite that I trust in God every time I spend money. It's not a huge deal. Someone asked about it and some of us answered. I'm not petitioning the schools or government to have it removed. It's voluntary and some us exercise the right not to recite those two words and tell our children it's optional. |
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You're right, it is not a big deal, and I won't lose sleep over it. However, long-term, it is a battle worth fighting. A world where people are no longer brainwashed by their parents and their communities into believing in mythical beings will be a better world. "Good, for goodness sake", and all that. Symbols like the pledge of allegiance matter. It will take time and education, but thankfully more and more people are coming to the conclusion that it is okay not to believe in a god. |
If you can conceptualize good and evil, right and wrong, just and unjust, freedom and slavery, you presuppose an Absolute Standard against which all actions are judged; i.e., GOD. |
Haha, I think we have had this discussion before. And like before: sure. I agree with you that there is an Absolute Standard against all actions are judged. If you want to call that God, that's fine. However, that is not remotely comparable to the God from the Bible or the Koran. It is merely an abstraction -- not something that has any influence in the world or on human behavior. |
well you have 4 year olds reciting words like 'indivisible', 'republic', etc etc There is no way they even understand those words. And this 'pledge allegiance' How do they even know what a pledge is? Why make kids give pledges, and starting at such a young age. |