Elementary school starts at 9:15?!?! Rant

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids in aftercare are looked down upon by the kids who go home at normal dismissal time, my children tell me. They were panicked last year when dw was considering going back to work that they would be lumped in with "those kids."

And people wonder why the mommy wars will never go away. What a shitty thing to say.

I'm just telling you how the school dynamics themselves are. I didn't make this up.

And we working moms look down on SAHM's like yeah, she probably couldn't get a job that pays more than $70K/year and therefore there's no point to even try to have a career because she is either stupid or uneducated.

I'm just telling you how the working mom vs. SAHM dynamics themselves are. I didn't make this up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But PP (or are you OP) if school starts at 8:15 then it is out at about 2:15. Would't most people still need aftercare? Even if you go to work at 8 you wouldn't be home till 4 or 4:30 with commuting time....

Are you thinking it would be better for kids to only need aftercare but not before care?

Or are you trying to stagger schedules?

Let's face it. Relying on after care is so much less stressful than relying on before care.

Why? That isn't my experience.

Both my husband and I have to be at work by 7 am since we teach high school. Our kids' before care (at their school) opened at 7 am. So we now have a nanny for morning care!

yes, stressful . . .

So, in your specific situation, before care is more stressful. In my experience (and I also happen to be a teacher), before care + school was easier than aftercare + school. During the years when I was able to pick up at dismissal, I learned so much more about my child's experiences. When I picked up at aftercare I missed a lot.

The reality is that no school schedule works for everyone. A blanket statement that one sequence of school openings is best is wrong, even if it holds true for some particular families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Funny I hear posters here claiming "the school is not a daycare" but they have no problem with the school being their kids taxi. I for one am not counting on the school bus, the elementary schools are typically much closer to you than a highschool and I don't want my DD on the bus with unknown older juveniles.

You're talking about kids who live nearby and attend the same school? Put your kid on the bus. Sheesh.

You didn't address the other two points but as always I address yours. There are several "communities" that are served by the same bus and unfortunately one of them is known for disciplinary problems.

5th graders are "unknown older juveniles"? If you've got delinquent 5th graders roaming your hood your best bet is probably to move. Does not sound safe and given the problems with the school shedule you may be better off in another school district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny I hear posters here claiming "the school is not a daycare" but they have no problem with the school being their kids taxi. I for one am not counting on the school bus, the elementary schools are typically much closer to you than a highschool and I don't want my DD on the bus with unknown older juveniles.

You're talking about kids who live nearby and attend the same school? Put your kid on the bus. Sheesh.

You didn't address the other two points but as always I address yours. There are several "communities" that are served by the same bus and unfortunately one of them is known for disciplinary problems.

5th graders are "unknown older juveniles"? If you've got delinquent 5th graders roaming your hood your best bet is probably to move. Does not sound safe and given the problems with the school shedule you may be better off in another school district.

I've been on school buses in supposedly nice districts and I don't feel the behavior was appropriate for the younger kids. I understand you can't shelter kids from everything but this is a side issue as catching the bus holds no advantage over dropping off in my situation.

I would like to move but for the moment I don't have the luxury to do be able to do so. I like where I live I just don't trust the bus.

[Anonymous]

In our school district you pay one set price for school based child care -- it includes before and aftercare. You can't pay just for before care or just for aftercare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny I hear posters here claiming "the school is not a daycare" but they have no problem with the school being their kids taxi. I for one am not counting on the school bus, the elementary schools are typically much closer to you than a highschool and I don't want my DD on the bus with unknown older juveniles.

You're talking about kids who live nearby and attend the same school? Put your kid on the bus. Sheesh.

You didn't address the other two points but as always I address yours. There are several "communities" that are served by the same bus and unfortunately one of them is known for disciplinary problems.

5th graders are "unknown older juveniles"? If you've got delinquent 5th graders roaming your hood your best bet is probably to move. Does not sound safe and given the problems with the school shedule you may be better off in another school district.

I've been on school buses in supposedly nice districts and I don't feel the behavior was appropriate for the younger kids. I understand you can't shelter kids from everything but this is a side issue as catching the bus holds no advantage over dropping off in my situation.

I would like to move but for the moment I don't have the luxury to do be able to do so. I like where I live I just don't trust the bus.

My elementary kids are going to a school about 30-40 minutes away (depending on traffic). They are going on the bus because I don't have the extra hours in my day to bring them to and from school every day. It's just not possible. If the kids run into a problem on the bus, such as bullying, we will have it addressed. Just as we did at their last school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In our school district you pay one set price for school based child care -- it includes before and aftercare. You can't pay just for before care or just for aftercare.

Bar T in Montgomery county you pay separately for before and after care associated with the schools. I believe there is a discount if you do both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny I hear posters here claiming "the school is not a daycare" but they have no problem with the school being their kids taxi. I for one am not counting on the school bus, the elementary schools are typically much closer to you than a highschool and I don't want my DD on the bus with unknown older juveniles.

You're talking about kids who live nearby and attend the same school? Put your kid on the bus. Sheesh.

You didn't address the other two points but as always I address yours. There are several "communities" that are served by the same bus and unfortunately one of them is known for disciplinary problems.

5th graders are "unknown older juveniles"? If you've got delinquent 5th graders roaming your hood your best bet is probably to move. Does not sound safe and given the problems with the school shedule you may be better off in another school district.

I've been on school buses in supposedly nice districts and I don't feel the behavior was appropriate for the younger kids. I understand you can't shelter kids from everything but this is a side issue as catching the bus holds no advantage over dropping off in my situation.

I would like to move but for the moment I don't have the luxury to do be able to do so. I like where I live I just don't trust the bus.

My elementary kids are going to a school about 30-40 minutes away (depending on traffic). They are going on the bus because I don't have the extra hours in my day to bring them to and from school every day. It's just not possible. If the kids run into a problem on the bus, such as bullying, we will have it addressed. Just as we did at their last school.

What school district are you if I might ask?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids in aftercare are looked down upon by the kids who go home at normal dismissal time, my children tell me. They were panicked last year when dw was considering going back to work that they would be lumped in with "those kids."

And people wonder why the mommy wars will never go away. What a shitty thing to say.

I'm just telling you how the school dynamics themselves are. I didn't make this up.

And we working moms look down on SAHM's like yeah, she probably couldn't get a job that pays more than $70K/year and therefore there's no point to even try to have a career because she is either stupid or uneducated.

I'm just telling you how the working mom vs. SAHM dynamics themselves are. I didn't make this up.

Boom!

[Anonymous]

We are willing to pay tuition to be in a parish school that starts early enough for us and has very inexpensive on-site after care. Some days our child has an afterschool activity or a playdate so we don't need aftercare. A family we've met through school keeps him on the half-days and no school days if we are not taking a vacation day to be with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny I hear posters here claiming "the school is not a daycare" but they have no problem with the school being their kids taxi. I for one am not counting on the school bus, the elementary schools are typically much closer to you than a highschool and I don't want my DD on the bus with unknown older juveniles.

You're talking about kids who live nearby and attend the same school? Put your kid on the bus. Sheesh.

You didn't address the other two points but as always I address yours. There are several "communities" that are served by the same bus and unfortunately one of them is known for disciplinary problems.

5th graders are "unknown older juveniles"? If you've got delinquent 5th graders roaming your hood your best bet is probably to move. Does not sound safe and given the problems with the school shedule you may be better off in another school district.

I've been on school buses in supposedly nice districts and I don't feel the behavior was appropriate for the younger kids. I understand you can't shelter kids from everything but this is a side issue as catching the bus holds no advantage over dropping off in my situation.

I would like to move but for the moment I don't have the luxury to do be able to do so. I like where I live I just don't trust the bus.

My elementary kids are going to a school about 30-40 minutes away (depending on traffic). They are going on the bus because I don't have the extra hours in my day to bring them to and from school every day. It's just not possible. If the kids run into a problem on the bus, such as bullying, we will have it addressed. Just as we did at their last school.

What school district are you if I might ask?

PG but they are going to the TAG school in Glenarden.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This schedule exists because buses are shared between the levels of school. The same bus takes kids to middle and high school first. It would make so much more sense to send the little kids to school first, then the high schoolers later, but that is too much upheaval for the schools to implement.

I've never seen a convincing argument of why this makes sense that didn't amount to "my kid is too spoiled to get up that early".

Getting out early allows high schoolers to have jobs, play sports, and do other productive things, and still eat dinner with their families.

There's a lot of research showing that teenagers naturally have a shifted circadian rhythm and benefit from sleeping later. I personally think it's stupid that high schoolers have to get up so early when their bodies and minds function better if they sleep a bit later, and wish the schools would catch on and start the elementary and middle school kids earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This schedule exists because buses are shared between the levels of school. The same bus takes kids to middle and high school first. It would make so much more sense to send the little kids to school first, then the high schoolers later, but that is too much upheaval for the schools to implement.

I've never seen a convincing argument of why this makes sense that didn't amount to "my kid is too spoiled to get up that early".

Getting out early allows high schoolers to have jobs, play sports, and do other productive things, and still eat dinner with their families.

There's a lot of research showing that teenagers naturally have a shifted circadian rhythm and benefit from sleeping later. I personally think it's stupid that high schoolers have to get up so early when their bodies and minds function better if they sleep a bit later, and wish the schools would catch on and start the elementary and middle school kids earlier.

Same old crap. This "shifted circadian rhythm" thing must have magically sprung up with the invention of the computer, cell phone, and texting. I have no recollection at all of ever being tired in high school. My mother says that we all were in bed by 10 and well-rested in the morning. Today kids spend hours on their phones, Facebook, etc, and it cuts into their study time thus they stay up until midnight or later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This schedule exists because buses are shared between the levels of school. The same bus takes kids to middle and high school first. It would make so much more sense to send the little kids to school first, then the high schoolers later, but that is too much upheaval for the schools to implement.

I've never seen a convincing argument of why this makes sense that didn't amount to "my kid is too spoiled to get up that early".

Getting out early allows high schoolers to have jobs, play sports, and do other productive things, and still eat dinner with their families.

There's a lot of research showing that teenagers naturally have a shifted circadian rhythm and benefit from sleeping later. I personally think it's stupid that high schoolers have to get up so early when their bodies and minds function better if they sleep a bit later, and wish the schools would catch on and start the elementary and middle school kids earlier.

Same old crap. This "shifted circadian rhythm" thing must have magically sprung up with the invention of the computer, cell phone, and texting. I have no recollection at all of ever being tired in high school. My mother says that we all were in bed by 10 and well-rested in the morning. Today kids spend hours on their phones, Facebook, etc, and it cuts into their study time thus they stay up until midnight or later.

I was always tired. My kids are in elementary school and they are going to absolutely die with our bus being at 8:25.

[Anonymous]

Same old crap. This "shifted circadian rhythm" thing must have magically sprung up with the invention of the computer, cell phone, and texting. I have no recollection at all of ever being tired in high school. My mother says that we all were in bed by 10 and well-rested in the morning. Today kids spend hours on their phones, Facebook, etc, and it cuts into their study time thus they stay up until midnight or later.

Perhaps the school you went to wasn't very challenging. I had sports after school and often activities after that (theater when shows were going on.) Then I took the and then walked a mile home and sometimes didn't get there until 10 o'clock. Then had two+ hours of homework to do. Thankfully my high school did not start until 8:15, but I was tired all the time.