We have bigger cars, which makes it far easier to RF. They do have better designed car seats, but there is a simple solution to that. You just import one. It is very comparable and looking at their statistics, they clearly in some areas are doing far better than we are. |
I have never said that. I am not the poster you quoted earlier and they did not say that either. She has pointed out that the data shows rear facing is safer in the majority of car accidents. She never said it was a guarantee and she certainly never wished ill will upon your child. Also, FWIW, our ped even said at my daugthers 18 months visit, "We are much better at fixing legs than we are necks." I think everyone mentions legs because that is the reasoning often cited by those who turn the carseat at a year. |
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DS is 23 months, 35", 32 lbs and next time we drive (we don't own a car so drive infrequently) he'll be forward facing.
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While she never wished it, one can easily see her knowingly nodding her head if something like that (god forbid) were to happen. The PP obviously believes that parent can and should take all the risk out of their children's life. It doesn't matter what the cost is, for parents or children. Infinitesimal reduction of risk is worth infinite cost in attention, time, and inconvenience to the parent. Somebody else suggested "Just import a European seat". Yes, just that, like parents have nothing else to do or think about. |
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Of course a child can die doing just about anything, but CAR ACCIDENT ARE THE #1 KILLER OF KIDS. Rear-facing is 5 times safer, so it's a no -brainer. Just keep them rear-facing for as long as they fit the seat. The child will be 3, 4 or 5 in 99% of cases. Simple as that. In Sweden nearly ALL kids rear-face to 4 or 5, and there are hardly any injuries or deaths to kids in cars there.
I don't understand how any parent could make an argument about SOCIAL WELL-BEING or OVER-PROTECTIVENESS when it comes to car safety? If the child does not 5-step and fit the adult seatbelt, he/she uses a booster. Most kids will be between 10 and 11. Have you seen what a seatbelt that goes across the abdomen of a typical 8-year-old does? It cuts the child in half in a crash. Kids and tweens don't fit adult seatbelts! Using carseats to the maximum height/weight is not overprotective, it's good parenting. And my child, EVEN AT 12, would use a booster when with friends if he doesn't 5-step, or NOT ride. That simple. And I wouldn't carpool any child without a booster if the child didn't 5-step. This is a child's life we are talking about. I'm pretty lax about everything else, but NOT car safety. |
Kids hang their legs off the side, put their feet on the seatback or sit criss cross. It's not a big deal and children do not complain. It's the parents who complain b/c they perceive it to be uncomfortable. It isn't and it's a really stupid reason to turn a child forward. |
The one thing I know is that I'm doing all that I can to have my kids safe, that is the simple thing. Everything else is out of my hands. But if I do not control the one thing I can, then I could regret the decision for the rest of my life. I'm not that strong enough to survive that I knew better and chose the easy way out. |
You are an idiot. Your argument is the dummest one I've heard in a while. |
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I think many people are missing the point. Keeping your child rear facing protects them better in crashes that happen with the front of the car. Between 70 and 80% of crashes happen with the front of the car. We are talking about probability here.
Rear facing children still die in crashes. Being rear facing does not create a magic bubble around your children. Children who are rear facing are also children who can do things like put their feet in their mouths. It would take a whole lot of yoga for me to do that as an adult. Parents often assume that because they would be uncomfortable in position similar to a rear facing seat, then children must be uncomfortable as well. It simply isn't the case. If you want to interact with your child, get out of the car and do it. This is transportation, not an opportunity to learn all the foam letters before age 18. A toddler's head takes up about 20% of his or her body weight which is significant when the child is turned forward facing too soon. All that weight goes toward the point of impact in a crash with the front of the car. The child doesn't have the benefit that adults have in having their bones ossified, tendons and ligaments developed, and muscles developed. An adult's head takes up about 6 or 7% of the total body weight. You do the math. If you can ignore videos of child size crash dummies' heads flying forward and snapping the spinal column, go right ahead. If you still don't believe it, head on up to Shock/Trauma in Baltimore and hang out for a while. See how those patients with spinal columns that have snapped at the cervical spine are doing. See how many are still alive. Good luck. |
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While she never wished it, one can easily see her knowingly nodding her head if something like that (god forbid) were to happen. The PP obviously believes that parent can and should take all the risk out of their children's life. It doesn't matter what the cost is, for parents or children. Infinitesimal reduction of risk is worth infinite cost in attention, time, and inconvenience to the parent. Somebody else suggested "Just import a European seat". Yes, just that, like parents have nothing else to do or think about. If you have time to spend on this message board, you have time to put some thought into your child's safety and consider what is the best fit for your child, car and situation. Its very easy to order a European seat. Its no different from ordering from Walmart or Amazon or your favorite store. Just costs a bit more. I will take the obvious risks out of my child's life as I'd like to make sure they are happy, healthy and functioning to the best of their ability. But, really, its ok for you not to..it makes for less competition for college, jobs and other things for my child. |
While she never wished it, one can easily see her knowingly nodding her head if something like that (god forbid) were to happen. The PP obviously believes that parent can and should take all the risk out of their children's life. It doesn't matter what the cost is, for parents or children. Infinitesimal reduction of risk is worth infinite cost in attention, time, and inconvenience to the parent. Somebody else suggested "Just import a European seat". Yes, just that, like parents have nothing else to do or think about. If you have time to spend on this message board, you have time to put some thought into your child's safety and consider what is the best fit for your child, car and situation. Its very easy to order a European seat. Its no different from ordering from Walmart or Amazon or your favorite store. Just costs a bit more. I will take the obvious risks out of my child's life as I'd like to make sure they are happy, healthy and functioning to the best of their ability. But, really, its ok for you not to..it makes for less competition for college, jobs and other things for my child.
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It is not babying a child to keep them rearfacing until 2 - unless you mistakenly view carseat transitions as important milestones.
Would I rearface until 4 or 5? No. But rearfacing until 2ish makes sense. |