The decade-long "learning recession"

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Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced this whole thing came about because our fancy EdD school administrators aren't as smart as the people selling EdTech. They're just taken for a ride. They just are wowed by technology and aren't smart enough to see past all the glitter.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced this whole thing came about because our fancy EdD school administrators aren't as smart as the people selling EdTech. They're just taken for a ride. They just are wowed by technology and aren't smart enough to see past all the glitter.

It's not like all EdTech is the same. It's a large category. Some EdTech has greatly improved learning outcomes for target audiences. Like Khan Academy, pretty great. Kids who grow up in poor districts with bad teachers and bad homes can now access better education.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced this whole thing came about because our fancy EdD school administrators aren't as smart as the people selling EdTech. They're just taken for a ride. They just are wowed by technology and aren't smart enough to see past all the glitter.

It's not like all EdTech is the same. It's a large category. Some EdTech has greatly improved learning outcomes for target audiences. Like Khan Academy, pretty great. Kids who grow up in poor districts with bad teachers and bad homes can now access better education.

You sound like part of the edtech grift. You disgust me

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We have 10 years of data showing worse outcomes across the country after edtech was introduced, studies showing kids learn better from paper and pencil, extensive data showing school issued devices are distracting and can show dangerous content and we're still arguing about whether edtech is a good thing? Idiot America

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Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced this whole thing came about because our fancy EdD school administrators aren't as smart as the people selling EdTech. They're just taken for a ride. They just are wowed by technology and aren't smart enough to see past all the glitter.

It's not like all EdTech is the same. It's a large category. Some EdTech has greatly improved learning outcomes for target audiences. Like Khan Academy, pretty great. Kids who grow up in poor districts with bad teachers and bad homes can now access better education.

You sound like part of the edtech grift. You disgust me[/quots

Your reasoning here strikes me as one-dimensional, shallow and illogical. Since I don't know you personally, I'll refrain from ad hominem responses in return.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced this whole thing came about because our fancy EdD school administrators aren't as smart as the people selling EdTech. They're just taken for a ride. They just are wowed by technology and aren't smart enough to see past all the glitter.

It's not like all EdTech is the same. It's a large category. Some EdTech has greatly improved learning outcomes for target audiences. Like Khan Academy, pretty great. Kids who grow up in poor districts with bad teachers and bad homes can now access better education.

You sound like part of the edtech grift. You disgust me

Your reasoning here strikes me as one-dimensional, shallow and illogical. Since I don't know you personally, I'll refrain from ad hominem responses in return.

I think you are a disgusting turd and I sincerely hope you rot in hell for profiting off of the.dismantling of our education system

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A big problem is that classroom populations have such varied levels in them now, nobody gets held back or pushed forward anymore, so edtech is pushed to fill in the gaps.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced this whole thing came about because our fancy EdD school administrators aren't as smart as the people selling EdTech. They're just taken for a ride. They just are wowed by technology and aren't smart enough to see past all the glitter.

It's not like all EdTech is the same. It's a large category. Some EdTech has greatly improved learning outcomes for target audiences. Like Khan Academy, pretty great. Kids who grow up in poor districts with bad teachers and bad homes can now access better education.

You sound like part of the edtech grift. You disgust me

Your reasoning here strikes me as one-dimensional, shallow and illogical. Since I don't know you personally, I'll refrain from ad hominem responses in return.

I think you are a disgusting turd and I sincerely hope you rot in hell for profiting off of the.dismantling of our education system

LMAO. And you are a projecting moron. Your kid is suffering because his or her parent is a moron, not because EdTech is failing them. My kid is in the top 99% even though they use AoPS several hours a week outside of school to prepare for math competitions. The problem is not EdTech.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced this whole thing came about because our fancy EdD school administrators aren't as smart as the people selling EdTech. They're just taken for a ride. They just are wowed by technology and aren't smart enough to see past all the glitter.

It's not like all EdTech is the same. It's a large category. Some EdTech has greatly improved learning outcomes for target audiences. Like Khan Academy, pretty great. Kids who grow up in poor districts with bad teachers and bad homes can now access better education.

You sound like part of the edtech grift. You disgust me

Your reasoning here strikes me as one-dimensional, shallow and illogical. Since I don't know you personally, I'll refrain from ad hominem responses in return.

I think you are a disgusting turd and I sincerely hope you rot in hell for profiting off of the.dismantling of our education system

LMAO. And you are a projecting moron. Your kid is suffering because his or her parent is a moron, not because EdTech is failing them. My kid is in the top 99% even though they use AoPS several hours a week outside of school to prepare for math competitions. The problem is not EdTech.

You’re bragging that your child isn’t in the bottom 1%? LOL

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That’s around the time that public school students hit the majority poor mark.

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They make the teachers fraud the grades and ignore the crime. Welcome to education for the new teachers who notice conflicts of interest.

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Anonymous wrote:The reading books thing is ridiculous. Im doing a summer reading list for my kid and how dafu6 is that not a thing anymore? I remember getting a 2 page list and being told to read minimum 10 books.
I read most of the Nancy Drew series over 2-3 summers because I was with my grandparents and had very few friends to play with except my brother and whatever kids were visiting that week at the beach houses around us. I averaged a book a day, sometimes more. Also, my grandparents used to get the Reader's Digest hardcover books and there were lots of short stories in them.
I read 2-3 hours a day.

Right. Then you go back to school in a classroom with some kids who haven't touched a book all summer. What is a single classroom teacher to do with you, or with them?

WE SHOULDNT BE IN THE SAME CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!

Right. Agree. I wish more people did. Our school doesn't even test for gifted support until the end of second grade, so if your kid is ahead, they literally learn nothing for the first three years of elementary school unless (1) you supplement at home or (2) your kid's teacher uses technology to differentiate. Even just boring IXL or Amira is better than learning phonics when they can already read Harry Potter.

Reciprocally our school system tests in 1st and my kid did not do well on the test and was not selected for TAG, but he also completed the entire Chromebook reading program before the end of 2nd grade 1st quarter. He wont have an opportunity to retest until 4th sooo 2nd-4th will be a toss up depending on how it goes with teachers and his cohort.

Maybe annual testing is part of the solution. Can you appeal based on other test scores? If he's in the upper 95% you have a solid leg to stand on.

Nope they only use one test. The only other workaround supposedly would be that we would have to pay for independent IQ testing but TAG is a lottery in our county anyways. He wouldnt be guaranteed a different TAG-specific school but could be eligible for pullouts- again in theory.

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Anonymous wrote:Attuned parents have been saying this for the entire decade, and especially in the most affluent districts we have been scorned and downplayed. Those with means have helped their kids however they can (parent hands-on instruction, tutoring, private school) and the slightly mean rallying cry has been "You can't expect school to be the only place to educate your children you idiot," but those without time, know-how, money, or energy have kids getting progressively left behind.

Yep!

Agree - I have a 17 year old and an 8 year old in FCPS. The difference in their elementary experience (at the same school) has been dramatic. I was very hands off with #1 and she's done great. With #2, I basically teach everything at home using workbooks (basic math skills and drilling, handwriting, grammar, how to use a map / geography, spelling rules, etc.). It just isn't taught and enforced enough at school. A lot of the practice is on lexia, ST math, etc which is in one ear and out the other. The one thing they have done well is phonics. They seem to practice that A LOT verbally and to be sure it sticks. When FCPS is constantly touting equity, I have to roll my eyes since it's obvious that watering down everything for everyone only pushes families with the means to fill the gaps at home while the others fall further behind.

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Anonymous wrote:The common core curriculum is not great. We have been overseas frequently for work and the private schools with a British curriculum are almost always more rigorous than ones with an American curriculum that typically follows common core.

I disagree that the British system is more rigorous. They are different and the British system is not something most Americans would care for.

I’ve read a lot of posts here that their children are no longer reading complete books. I don’t understand that at all. The one change I think is positive is using online programs for subjects like history or geography. You can no longer trust the accuracy of textbooks coming from Texas. McGraw Hill has been accused of whitewashing history, omitting important parts of history, calling slaves “workers” to name a few. They have been made to change errors in their books.

Online, the Library of Congress, Lehrer Institute of History, History.com is a reputable site. High school should absolutely be using personal laptops. The internet has opened worlds of information that wasn’t available decades ago. Elementary school needs to learn the basics, no laptops necessary.

So you think whatever a teacher puts together in her free time to make money on Teachers Pay Teachers is better than a textbook? You know districts...don't have to buy textbooks that don't align with the politics of the majority, right?

And also - class novels aren't textbooks, and usually that's what people are referring to when they talk about not reading full books. My kids are in private with textbooks and trust me they aren't reading the geometry or science book cover to cover. But they are reading The Hobbit or Romeo and Juliet cover to cover.

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Would be putting together anything? These excellent programs are put together professionally and bought by the school department.

The middle school has some amazing programs done on line where the 7th graders learn about every country in the world plus each individual country’s political system, their GDP, climate, agriculture, religions and the people. A book could never be as interactive.

As for textbooks they should never have political bias. I’m more concerned of inaccurate information. There’s plenty of evidence and forced retractions about changing facts in American history. Why not have middle school and high school students go directly to the source of American history which would be the American government and read the treaties, constitution, rules and regulations. Save a lot of paper.

And our schools pass out novels that they read. I only am familiar with middle school but my daughter ha read The Outsiders, Holes, The Giver, and Refugee that I remember.

I don’t think everyone is talking about textbooks when they say the elementary schools aren't having them read complete books. I know we never read textbooks from cover to cover.

Either people who believe everything should be done on the laptop or eliminate all laptops in grades 6-12 are being extreme and irrational.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem isn't students tuning into tech it's too many parents tuning out on their kid's education and expecting the schools to teach their kid everything, including manners. Too many parents are MIA. You deal with it all, teacher. I'm too busy doing me.

My kid's K teacher wouldn't even read actual books to the class. Instead she would show animated YouTube videos about books. The massive screen in every classroom is a problem. My kid's behavior dramatically improved after we took away her iPad at home. Teachers should experiment with doing the same in their classrooms to the extent possible. Daily screen time in kindergarten is not necessary.

It's the only way some of teachers believe they can offer differential learning. It's hard to teach reaching when you kindergartners who don't know their letters and kindergartners reading chapter books, so they have the advanced readers read to Amira on their ipads and focus on the struggling readers. I hate to say it's a good idea to create cohorts that young, but unless you default to technology for some kids, how else can you teach a class of 20+ kids who are at very different places entering kindergarten depending on parental involvement and quality of preschool?

Teachers always had groups according to ability. Some still do and my daughter’s teachers read books to the class until 5th grade.

We had groups and were organized together. I was in all group 1s until 7th grade my math was downgraded to group 2, same it’s grade 8. In high school I was placed in a slower paced 9th grade math based on groups. I don’t think it’s tracking because you don’t always stay on the same track.