The decade-long "learning recession"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem isn't students tuning into tech it's too many parents tuning out on their kid's education and expecting the schools to teach their kid everything, including manners. Too many parents are MIA. You deal with it all, teacher. I'm too busy doing me.

My kid's K teacher wouldn't even read actual books to the class. Instead she would show animated YouTube videos about books. The massive screen in every classroom is a problem. My kid's behavior dramatically improved after we took away her iPad at home. Teachers should experiment with doing the same in their classrooms to the extent possible. Daily screen time in kindergarten is not necessary.

I’ve seen teacher do this and it is awful.
I’m sure they are playing the video to catch up on work, but it is totally not the same as reading the book for the class themselves. If reading themselves they can pause and check for understanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem isn't students tuning into tech it's too many parents tuning out on their kid's education and expecting the schools to teach their kid everything, including manners. Too many parents are MIA. You deal with it all, teacher. I'm too busy doing me.

My kid's K teacher wouldn't even read actual books to the class. Instead she would show animated YouTube videos about books. The massive screen in every classroom is a problem. My kid's behavior dramatically improved after we took away her iPad at home. Teachers should experiment with doing the same in their classrooms to the extent possible. Daily screen time in kindergarten is not necessary.

I’ve seen teacher do this and it is awful.
I’m sure they are playing the video to catch up on work, but it is totally not the same as reading the book for the class themselves. If reading themselves they can pause and check for understanding.

In my district, we were forced to do this. We were given a Google Docs curriculum from the central office with YouTube links instead of hard copies of books. It was and is atrocious. And though I started buying the books off of Amazon to have real books, it was too expensive to keep up with.

I do use this on days I can’t talk because I am sick. It is either do that or the kids get a sub.

Start advocating at board meetings rather than getting mad at the teachers as much of this is out of our control and we need money to support tech free classrooms now to buy actual books etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem isn't students tuning into tech it's too many parents tuning out on their kid's education and expecting the schools to teach their kid everything, including manners. Too many parents are MIA. You deal with it all, teacher. I'm too busy doing me.

My kid's K teacher wouldn't even read actual books to the class. Instead she would show animated YouTube videos about books. The massive screen in every classroom is a problem. My kid's behavior dramatically improved after we took away her iPad at home. Teachers should experiment with doing the same in their classrooms to the extent possible. Daily screen time in kindergarten is not necessary.

I’ve seen teacher do this and it is awful.
I’m sure they are playing the video to catch up on work, but it is totally not the same as reading the book for the class themselves. If reading themselves they can pause and check for understanding.

In my district, we were forced to do this. We were given a Google Docs curriculum from the central office with YouTube links instead of hard copies of books. It was and is atrocious. And though I started buying the books off of Amazon to have real books, it was too expensive to keep up with.

I do use this on days I can’t talk because I am sick. It is either do that or the kids get a sub.

Start advocating at board meetings rather than getting mad at the teachers as much of this is out of our control and we need money to support tech free classrooms now to buy actual books etc.

There is a movement of parents advocating to reduce screens in classrooms, advocating at the state level since obviously MCPS dgaf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just smart phones and social media. A lot of these losses are happening among elementary age kids who don't have access to either. But the reliance on Ed Tech to teach math and reading is a big problem. Blaming screens at home doesn't make sense because kids have been watching screens at home for decades, that's not something that started in 2015.

What shifted for kids is they went from mostly using books, paper, and pencil in the classroom to using 1:1 devices and ed tech software. That's true for kids who were get zero screen time at home, and it's true for kids who get hours of screen time at home every day.

Go back to physical books, handwriting, and working out math problems with pencil and paper. Studies show that children retain information better and longer when they learn it from physical media instead of digitally.

I absolutely agree that edtech has made the problem much, much worse. But you’d be shocked by how many K and 1st grade kids go to bed with an iPad or phone. I’m a teacher and I ask about their bedtime routines.

It would be much easier to get rid of the devices if the school wasn't assigning homework on them. I have strict rules but the kids are always telling me they have to check this or that or do something in some app. I want no screens during the week but the schools undermine me every step of the way.

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We wanted to restrict screens at home, but all their HW had to be done online. It was maddening. We could have said, "not screens during the week," except that they had HW every night of the week on the screens!

+2. ANd then I feel like I need to hover over them because they're inevitably tempted to Google this or that or play onof the educational "games." I can't just sit them down with a worksheet and walk away.

[Anonymous]

Teachers don’t teach anymore. They throw up slides of poor quality, with too many words, too busy, etc. and read off of the slides. They don’t require the student to ‘read’ the concepts from a textbook. They jump around from one disconnected topic to another with no logical flow and order. There are gaps in information that students are unaware of because there is no sequential curriculum from an edited and vetted text. Then a Kahoot appears and the students practice the ‘test’ questions via this timed competition. It’s a terrible way to learn. There are no-hands on labs, it is just simulated poorly written and executed Gizmos on the computer. This is suppose to be ‘discover’ learning but they have no textbook foundation so the Gizmo confuses the learning more. It’s a heck of a way to try to learn. It’s awful. And teachers and planners could do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teachers don’t teach anymore. They throw up slides of poor quality, with too many words, too busy, etc. and read off of the slides. They don’t require the student to ‘read’ the concepts from a textbook. They jump around from one disconnected topic to another with no logical flow and order. There are gaps in information that students are unaware of because there is no sequential curriculum from an edited and vetted text. Then a Kahoot appears and the students practice the ‘test’ questions via this timed competition. It’s a terrible way to learn. There are no-hands on labs, it is just simulated poorly written and executed Gizmos on the computer. This is suppose to be ‘discover’ learning but they have no textbook foundation so the Gizmo confuses the learning more. It’s a heck of a way to try to learn. It’s awful. And teachers and planners could do better.

Blame the people in charge of the crap curriculum. I never get actual books to read to students. I’m expected to use the slides with embedded links to the books.

[Anonymous]

When we started reading tutoring because my kid had been in the "needs support" category on DIBELS throughout kindergarten and first grade, the tutor asked us what books the school had been sending home to practice. The answer was none. Yes, my kid went to the media center every week and brought home a book, but it was never at my kid's level and not intended to help her learn to read. I tried to help my child read and got bob books and other books, but she just got frustrated when I pushed her too hard. Now the tutor brings books appropriate to my kid's level every week and we practice nightly. Kid is loving reading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem isn't students tuning into tech it's too many parents tuning out on their kid's education and expecting the schools to teach their kid everything, including manners. Too many parents are MIA. You deal with it all, teacher. I'm too busy doing me.

My kid's K teacher wouldn't even read actual books to the class. Instead she would show animated YouTube videos about books. The massive screen in every classroom is a problem. My kid's behavior dramatically improved after we took away her iPad at home. Teachers should experiment with doing the same in their classrooms to the extent possible. Daily screen time in kindergarten is not necessary.

Maybe teacher can’t read. Need to move away from technology across the board but particularly in elementary school where basic skills need to be developed and honed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem isn't students tuning into tech it's too many parents tuning out on their kid's education and expecting the schools to teach their kid everything, including manners. Too many parents are MIA. You deal with it all, teacher. I'm too busy doing me.

My kid's K teacher wouldn't even read actual books to the class. Instead she would show animated YouTube videos about books. The massive screen in every classroom is a problem. My kid's behavior dramatically improved after we took away her iPad at home. Teachers should experiment with doing the same in their classrooms to the extent possible. Daily screen time in kindergarten is not necessary.

Maybe teacher can’t read. Need to move away from technology across the board but particularly in elementary school where basic skills need to be developed and honed.

Maybe parent can’t write. Need to type in sentences to get pt across that screen bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When we started reading tutoring because my kid had been in the "needs support" category on DIBELS throughout kindergarten and first grade, the tutor asked us what books the school had been sending home to practice. The answer was none. Yes, my kid went to the media center every week and brought home a book, but it was never at my kid's level and not intended to help her learn to read. I tried to help my child read and got bob books and other books, but she just got frustrated when I pushed her too hard. Now the tutor brings books appropriate to my kid's level every week and we practice nightly. Kid is loving reading.

I can identify with this. I felt pretty lost when my oldest was in kinder and 1st grade because they were struggling with reading but all I was getting from the school was "work with him at home!" but no lists of the sounds they were learning that month (unless I asked), no books sent home, etc. I ended up supplementing with All About Reading but really didn't know what I was doing.

My youngest attended a different ES with a strong empasis on phonics, they even switched classes to be with the appropoarte level phonic group for instruction, and it was night and day. Weekly emails with the sounds of the week, word cards and then decodable readers sent home to practice. They learned so much faster and became a more confident reader.

[Anonymous]

Teacher’s salaries are abysmal.

Many people essentially said during COVID to teachers , I don’t care if you die, I don’t care if you get extremely ill and get long COVID… I don’t want my children with me. You mean nothing to me.

Nobody cares if schools are safe.

You can’t treat teachers like crap and expect great teaching,

You got what you deserve.

Ditto for nurses and healthcare workers. Don’t kill my mom but for f-sake don’t send her home with me either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher’s salaries are abysmal.

Many people essentially said during COVID to teachers , I don’t care if you die, I don’t care if you get extremely ill and get long COVID… I don’t want my children with me. You mean nothing to me.

Nobody cares if schools are safe.

You can’t treat teachers like crap and expect great teaching,

You got what you deserve.

Ditto for nurses and healthcare workers. Don’t kill my mom but for f-sake don’t send her home with me either.

This is an offensive and distorted caricature of parents. In perpetuating it and pushing it out via their members, the teachers unions and teaching profession lost a ton of credibility.

[Anonymous]

Don't forget they pressure teachers to fraud the data. Teachers in Atlanta went to jail and had all kinds of legal trouble bc admin wanted fake data. That's why I got out of mcps, to much shady business and no financial incentive except for to keep your job as admin and students mistreat and discard real teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher’s salaries are abysmal.

Many people essentially said during COVID to teachers , I don’t care if you die, I don’t care if you get extremely ill and get long COVID… I don’t want my children with me. You mean nothing to me.

Nobody cares if schools are safe.

You can’t treat teachers like crap and expect great teaching,

You got what you deserve.

Ditto for nurses and healthcare workers. Don’t kill my mom but for f-sake don’t send her home with me either.

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I saw first hand so many parents being truly awful to teachers. Yelling at them on zoom while the teachers were trying to teach. Screaming at SB meetings. Treating them like their personal servants.

Their behavior was truly disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teacher’s salaries are abysmal.

Many people essentially said during COVID to teachers , I don’t care if you die, I don’t care if you get extremely ill and get long COVID… I don’t want my children with me. You mean nothing to me.

Nobody cares if schools are safe.

You can’t treat teachers like crap and expect great teaching,

You got what you deserve.

Ditto for nurses and healthcare workers. Don’t kill my mom but for f-sake don’t send her home with me either.

This is an offensive and distorted caricature of parents. In perpetuating it and pushing it out via their members, the teachers unions and teaching profession lost a ton of credibility.

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