Pomona Vs Claremont Mckenna

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Anonymous wrote:the back and forth on this thread is quite tedious.

100%. I've got a sophomore, so several years out from this madness, but why are all these comments so rude and heated. like the cmc boosters on here seem to despise pomona and think it's worthless, but isn't cmc only relevant because it was a spin-off college from pomona? take away pomona from the consortium and no one would probably want to go there or know about it. pomona anchors the whole thing.

DP to be fair, I think Havey Mudd is prestigious too is its own niche way

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the back and forth on this thread is quite tedious.

100%. I've got a sophomore, so several years out from this madness, but why are all these comments so rude and heated. like the cmc boosters on here seem to despise pomona and think it's worthless, but isn't cmc only relevant because it was a spin-off college from pomona? take away pomona from the consortium and no one would probably want to go there or know about it. pomona anchors the whole thing.

DP to be fair, I think Havey Mudd is prestigious too is its own niche way

I’d also say CMC is an excellent draw. My DD is PPA at Pomona, but loves the Athenaeum and government courses at CMC. She happens to not fit the student culture, so Pomona was a better choice, but CMC has many resources she takes advantage of, including a research institute.

[Anonymous]

I’ve never heard of Pomona, but Claremont McKenna is top shelf in economics and government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never heard of Pomona, but Claremont McKenna is top shelf in economics and government.

c'mon now. the cmc boosters on this thread aren't even trying to sound credible at this point!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the back and forth on this thread is quite tedious.

100%. I've got a sophomore, so several years out from this madness, but why are all these comments so rude and heated. like the cmc boosters on here seem to despise pomona and think it's worthless, but isn't cmc only relevant because it was a spin-off college from pomona? take away pomona from the consortium and no one would probably want to go there or know about it. pomona anchors the whole thing.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Whichever one has the vibes you like will work. DD has cmc students in her Pomona stats class and she’s taken data science courses at CMC and cs courses at Mudd. It’s a true consortium and while people here fuss over the ease of course registration, we’ve had no issues. The choice of your college can range from your entire social circle to just a convenient place for you to sleep.

The true consortium element is the best, because you then just have to find your tribe.

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Anonymous wrote:That is no different from most peer LACs. Williams, Amherst, etc are only 40% submitting SAT, while Pomona is 37%. A lot of people in California apply test optional since the UC system is, so that explains the little gap almost entirely.

Then why do we/most people assume Williams and Amherst are academically rigorous and have high concentration of intellectual kids? Is this just based on pre-Covid, pre-test optional prestige? We know Caltech kids are smart bc they have high mid-50% SAT.

I don't know. I generally look at test optional schools as more rigorous if at least a majority of admitted students submit scores. For LACs that are well below the 50% mark (Claremont McKenna, Pomona, Williams, Amherst, etc.) I suspect the "test optional" loophole has been serving them so they can bring in some recruited athletes with lower scores.

In contrast, many in the Ivy Plus/New Ivy crowd have 70+% submitting scores out of admitted students. That speaks volumes to having an objective standard on academic preparedness.

Pomona has a pretty tiny athlete population. More likely the DEI admits

25% of students participating in varsity athletics in a given year is not “pretty tiny”. The number of recruits is higher, but some choose not to play in later years, so it’s closer to 30% who were specifically recruited for D3. Furthermore, Pomona has a very competitive D3 program that almost always ranks top 30 nationally (they were 15th last year).

Not sure why any of this seems like an exaggeration. Pomona has 50 states, 5 US territories, and 65 countries represented among just 1700 students. 6-7% acceptance rate for the last five years. Ranked by Niche as #1 or #2 most diverse college or university in America during the same duration. Among the top 10 colleges and universities with the highest Pell Grant percent between the top 25 LACs/universities- ie. the top quartile for socioeconomic diversity among well ranked schools. Even after the Supreme Court decision banning AA, it remains one of the most diverse colleges in terms of minority enrollment.

Pomona is very particular in crafting its class. That’s not me boosting the school, that’s objective reality. So yes, if a high stat student doesn’t add to an institutional priority, it is hard to get into Pomona.

The point about Posse students being high class from Miami is wrong by the way. Posse is a full tuition minimum scholarship and Pomona only gives need based aid with very rare exceptions (only 2 students overall with under 20,000 in merit aid, no first years with merit aid). Pomona gave all 20 entering Posse scholars at least a full tuition need based scholarship according to the Common Data Set. Also, it is a science cohort that focuses on students underrepresented in those fields, so again, it is an institutional priority.

Posse is a merit scholarship, not need aid.
he Posse Scholarship is neither a minority nor a need-based scholarship. It is open to students of all backgrounds.

So they say but the Posse alumni report says their alumni are majority non white (8.9% white and 91.1% everything else including 65% black and Hispanic).

It is clear that colleges regard Posse scholars as “free diversity” - they can keep their minority enrollment up without having to fork out any financial aid.

How many white students do you know applying to Posse? We don’t know many interested and it’s an option available.

Sometimes we need to stop jumping that just because white people aren’t included that something is DEI or racist. There’s real reason to believe that minorities might be more interested in a cohort program that connects you closely with peers for college success than white Americans. My kid isn’t worried they won’t graduate on time or have issues in classes, but a Black peer might feel more alienated from campus culture.

I know a lot of white kids who applied for Posse. It is strongly encouraged in FCPS. You have to be very stupid to think that only 9% of the applicants are white and therefore there’s nothing DEI or racist that only 9% of the winners are white. If the numbers were as out of line with demographics but in favor of whites instead of against them you wouldn’t hesitate to call it racist.

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Anonymous wrote:That is no different from most peer LACs. Williams, Amherst, etc are only 40% submitting SAT, while Pomona is 37%. A lot of people in California apply test optional since the UC system is, so that explains the little gap almost entirely.

Then why do we/most people assume Williams and Amherst are academically rigorous and have high concentration of intellectual kids? Is this just based on pre-Covid, pre-test optional prestige? We know Caltech kids are smart bc they have high mid-50% SAT.

I don't know. I generally look at test optional schools as more rigorous if at least a majority of admitted students submit scores. For LACs that are well below the 50% mark (Claremont McKenna, Pomona, Williams, Amherst, etc.) I suspect the "test optional" loophole has been serving them so they can bring in some recruited athletes with lower scores.

In contrast, many in the Ivy Plus/New Ivy crowd have 70+% submitting scores out of admitted students. That speaks volumes to having an objective standard on academic preparedness.

Pomona has a pretty tiny athlete population. More likely the DEI admits

25% of students participating in varsity athletics in a given year is not “pretty tiny”. The number of recruits is higher, but some choose not to play in later years, so it’s closer to 30% who were specifically recruited for D3. Furthermore, Pomona has a very competitive D3 program that almost always ranks top 30 nationally (they were 15th last year).

Not sure why any of this seems like an exaggeration. Pomona has 50 states, 5 US territories, and 65 countries represented among just 1700 students. 6-7% acceptance rate for the last five years. Ranked by Niche as #1 or #2 most diverse college or university in America during the same duration. Among the top 10 colleges and universities with the highest Pell Grant percent between the top 25 LACs/universities- ie. the top quartile for socioeconomic diversity among well ranked schools. Even after the Supreme Court decision banning AA, it remains one of the most diverse colleges in terms of minority enrollment.

Pomona is very particular in crafting its class. That’s not me boosting the school, that’s objective reality. So yes, if a high stat student doesn’t add to an institutional priority, it is hard to get into Pomona.

The point about Posse students being high class from Miami is wrong by the way. Posse is a full tuition minimum scholarship and Pomona only gives need based aid with very rare exceptions (only 2 students overall with under 20,000 in merit aid, no first years with merit aid). Pomona gave all 20 entering Posse scholars at least a full tuition need based scholarship according to the Common Data Set. Also, it is a science cohort that focuses on students underrepresented in those fields, so again, it is an institutional priority.

Posse is a merit scholarship, not need aid.
he Posse Scholarship is neither a minority nor a need-based scholarship. It is open to students of all backgrounds.

So they say but the Posse alumni report says their alumni are majority non white (8.9% white and 91.1% everything else including 65% black and Hispanic).

It is clear that colleges regard Posse scholars as “free diversity” - they can keep their minority enrollment up without having to fork out any financial aid.

How many white students do you know applying to Posse? We don’t know many interested and it’s an option available.

Sometimes we need to stop jumping that just because white people aren’t included that something is DEI or racist. There’s real reason to believe that minorities might be more interested in a cohort program that connects you closely with peers for college success than white Americans. My kid isn’t worried they won’t graduate on time or have issues in classes, but a Black peer might feel more alienated from campus culture.

I know a lot of white kids who applied for Posse. It is strongly encouraged in FCPS. You have to be very stupid to think that only 9% of the applicants are white and therefore there’s nothing DEI or racist that only 9% of the winners are white. If the numbers were as out of line with demographics but in favor of whites instead of against them you wouldn’t hesitate to call it racist.

Your proof is an anecdote that can’t be better, so no it’s not hard to believe anything.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is no different from most peer LACs. Williams, Amherst, etc are only 40% submitting SAT, while Pomona is 37%. A lot of people in California apply test optional since the UC system is, so that explains the little gap almost entirely.

Then why do we/most people assume Williams and Amherst are academically rigorous and have high concentration of intellectual kids? Is this just based on pre-Covid, pre-test optional prestige? We know Caltech kids are smart bc they have high mid-50% SAT.

I don't know. I generally look at test optional schools as more rigorous if at least a majority of admitted students submit scores. For LACs that are well below the 50% mark (Claremont McKenna, Pomona, Williams, Amherst, etc.) I suspect the "test optional" loophole has been serving them so they can bring in some recruited athletes with lower scores.

In contrast, many in the Ivy Plus/New Ivy crowd have 70+% submitting scores out of admitted students. That speaks volumes to having an objective standard on academic preparedness.

Pomona has a pretty tiny athlete population. More likely the DEI admits

25% of students participating in varsity athletics in a given year is not “pretty tiny”. The number of recruits is higher, but some choose not to play in later years, so it’s closer to 30% who were specifically recruited for D3. Furthermore, Pomona has a very competitive D3 program that almost always ranks top 30 nationally (they were 15th last year).

Not sure why any of this seems like an exaggeration. Pomona has 50 states, 5 US territories, and 65 countries represented among just 1700 students. 6-7% acceptance rate for the last five years. Ranked by Niche as #1 or #2 most diverse college or university in America during the same duration. Among the top 10 colleges and universities with the highest Pell Grant percent between the top 25 LACs/universities- ie. the top quartile for socioeconomic diversity among well ranked schools. Even after the Supreme Court decision banning AA, it remains one of the most diverse colleges in terms of minority enrollment.

Pomona is very particular in crafting its class. That’s not me boosting the school, that’s objective reality. So yes, if a high stat student doesn’t add to an institutional priority, it is hard to get into Pomona.

The point about Posse students being high class from Miami is wrong by the way. Posse is a full tuition minimum scholarship and Pomona only gives need based aid with very rare exceptions (only 2 students overall with under 20,000 in merit aid, no first years with merit aid). Pomona gave all 20 entering Posse scholars at least a full tuition need based scholarship according to the Common Data Set. Also, it is a science cohort that focuses on students underrepresented in those fields, so again, it is an institutional priority.

Posse is a merit scholarship, not need aid.
he Posse Scholarship is neither a minority nor a need-based scholarship. It is open to students of all backgrounds.

So they say but the Posse alumni report says their alumni are majority non white (8.9% white and 91.1% everything else including 65% black and Hispanic).

It is clear that colleges regard Posse scholars as “free diversity” - they can keep their minority enrollment up without having to fork out any financial aid.

How many white students do you know applying to Posse? We don’t know many interested and it’s an option available.

Sometimes we need to stop jumping that just because white people aren’t included that something is DEI or racist. There’s real reason to believe that minorities might be more interested in a cohort program that connects you closely with peers for college success than white Americans. My kid isn’t worried they won’t graduate on time or have issues in classes, but a Black peer might feel more alienated from campus culture.

I know a lot of white kids who applied for Posse. It is strongly encouraged in FCPS. You have to be very stupid to think that only 9% of the applicants are white and therefore there’s nothing DEI or racist that only 9% of the winners are white. If the numbers were as out of line with demographics but in favor of whites instead of against them you wouldn’t hesitate to call it racist.

Your proof is an anecdote that can’t be better, so no it’s not hard to believe anything.

Can’t be vetted*, there’s no reason we should think you’re an honest person

[Anonymous]

WHAT A BUNCH OF HOGWASH!!!!