Regional model - which programs in which schools?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Yeah i think you don't know what you are talking about.. Takoma Park parent here. We chose the Takoma Park community for our kids (and ourselves). I would say that we are UMC (bought a 1.5M+ home, have a vacation home, dual income-white collars 500k HHI MBA/PHD family, international vacations etc... giving you the basic criteria we talk about in the Money forum..).

And *gasp* we chose this community over bethesda or Mclean or other richer enclaves. Because we love the fact that the values of the community do not revolve around money, brands and flashy spending. It shows in our kids' groups who are full of well-mannered, educated, well-read, socially engaged, down to earth peers. I have friends in chevy chase and Bethesda and i don't envy their world at all.

I hope you are using UMC sarcastically?!

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Hilarious. NP here. I’m guessing you’ve never been to Takoma Park?

Which parts of TP are you talking about? the barrio along New Hampshire or University or maybe Sunny Maple ave and all the low income apts there? Or are you posturing that the moderately expensive homes on a few streets in the historic area outweigh the other 4/5ths of TP? Yes there are a few million dollar transactions there (which isn't as much as you think it is) and there will always be some who rather be rich in a poorer area opposed to normal or poor in a richer one. TP isn't expensive, it's only seems so when compared to the rest of it's neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Hilarious. NP here. I’m guessing you’ve never been to Takoma Park?

Which parts of TP are you talking about? the barrio along New Hampshire or University or maybe Sunny Maple ave and all the low income apts there? Or are you posturing that the moderately expensive homes on a few streets in the historic area outweigh the other 4/5ths of TP? Yes there are a few million dollar transactions there (which isn't as much as you think it is) and there will always be some who rather be rich in a poorer area opposed to normal or poor in a richer one. TP isn't expensive, it's only seems so when compared to the rest of it's neighbors.

Thanks for confirming that you are not actually familiar with the community of Takoma Park.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

As someone who bought in the Blair zone for over $1M, I’m going to repeat my who are you and where do you even live question.

They want to parented they are better.

if there isn't a difference keep moving east then. Imagine how far your 1mil would have gone in Hyattsville, its just a few streets over from TP to the east. If there is a difference to those couple of blocks east why are you so incredulous that that many view your area similar? There are nice streets in Hyattsville too filled with good people? There are a few high SES families over there too, what the difference? When you figure out the difference that made you stretch for something in Blair's area then realize lots of people kept looking into even nicer areas. If youre happy there.. good, if it is so great you wont mind when Blair becomes a neighborhood school again and they pivot it's class offerings to reflect the majority of students that live around it.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

As someone who bought in the Blair zone for over $1M, I’m going to repeat my who are you and where do you even live question.

They want to parented they are better.

if there isn't a difference keep moving east then. Imagine how far your 1mil would have gone in Hyattsville, its just a few streets over from TP to the east. If there is a difference to those couple of blocks east why are you so incredulous that that many view your area similar? There are nice streets in Hyattsville too filled with good people? There are a few high SES families over there too, what the difference? When you figure out the difference that made you stretch for something in Blair's area then realize lots of people kept looking into even nicer areas. If youre happy there.. good, if it is so great you wont mind when Blair becomes a neighborhood school again and they pivot it's class offerings to reflect the majority of students that live around it.

Oh FFS, Blair IS a neighborhood school. (I say that as a magnet parent btw.) It’s the most popular and largest school in MCPS and many people move into the area deliberately to go to Blair. I’m one of them.

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Blair is consistently oversubscribed. Largest school in Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Many of us can afford better, but we choose our communities for a variety of reasons, including to avoid parents like you. I'd rather spend the money on college and grad school and help with a down payment for a house as no one cares where you go to high school vs. spending a fortune on a big house that is expensive to maintain. If I wanted to, we could easily move and pay cash for a house. You can look down on families like us but some of us have equal money, we just spend it differently.

+100 we chose ours because diversity was as important as a quality education. We chose our area over Loudon, Fairfax, and parts of Bethesda. And every year since something has happened that makes us thankful that we did. Reading this board definitely solidifies the decision.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Many of us can afford better, but we choose our communities for a variety of reasons, including to avoid parents like you. I'd rather spend the money on college and grad school and help with a down payment for a house as no one cares where you go to high school vs. spending a fortune on a big house that is expensive to maintain. If I wanted to, we could easily move and pay cash for a house. You can look down on families like us but some of us have equal money, we just spend it differently.

“Better” by what criteria? I wouldn’t live in Bethesda if you paid me. We have a net worth closing in on $4m, so I guess we could move to whatever part of the county we wanted. Like many of our neighbors we chose where we live specifically for the community and the schools - and that meant Blair. A deliberate choice, not a “this is the best we can do”.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Hilarious. NP here. I’m guessing you’ve never been to Takoma Park?

Which parts of TP are you talking about? the barrio along New Hampshire or University or maybe Sunny Maple ave and all the low income apts there? Or are you posturing that the moderately expensive homes on a few streets in the historic area outweigh the other 4/5ths of TP? Yes there are a few million dollar transactions there (which isn't as much as you think it is) and there will always be some who rather be rich in a poorer area opposed to normal or poor in a richer one. TP isn't expensive, it's only seems so when compared to the rest of it's neighbors.

Who are you again?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Yeah i think you don't know what you are talking about.. Takoma Park parent here. We chose the Takoma Park community for our kids (and ourselves). I would say that we are UMC (bought a 1.5M+ home, have a vacation home, dual income-white collars 500k HHI MBA/PHD family, international vacations etc... giving you the basic criteria we talk about in the Money forum..).

And *gasp* we chose this community over bethesda or Mclean or other richer enclaves. Because we love the fact that the values of the community do not revolve around money, brands and flashy spending. It shows in our kids' groups who are full of well-mannered, educated, well-read, socially engaged, down to earth peers. I have friends in chevy chase and Bethesda and i don't envy their world at all.

I hope you are using UMC sarcastically?!

+1 PP with a HHI of 500k is NOT UMC. LOL

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When is the board set to respond to Taylor’s latest recommendations?

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Anonymous wrote:When is the board set to respond to Taylor’s latest recommendations?

The vote is at the March 26th meeting.

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The vote is at the March 26th meeting.

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don’t like for region 1 is putting humanities at Whitman. I would really like to see this at Einstein or Northwood, and I don’t care which. My DCC kids could apply to IB at BCC but that’s still the second furthest option. I don’t see why Whitman needs a major draw magnet.

Neither BCC nor Whitman need magnets. They already have all the advanced classwork in their schools that they need. We know this because vanishingly few kids from these schools go to RMIB or Blair SMCS.

Obviously, these schools will attract high-performing kids from Einstein and Northwood (and maybe Blair) who have access to transportation from their parents. It won't go the other way around. BCC students and definitely not Whitman students will definitely NOT be traveling to Einstein, Northwood or Blair. This is how you create inequity. You try to make everything uniform, the same for everyone, but you ignore how these schools, including their course offerings, and the populations they serve are very different, and so trying to give everyone the same thing means giving more opportunities to the wealthiest students.

Yes, exactly.  The program analysis team admitted they did not consider equity in where programs were placed, and it shows. They seemed confused at the idea that anyone would have expected them to.  They really do not understand equity at all, and just use it as a buzzword.

And to the other poster who said "if Whitman doesn't have magnets, no one from out of boundaries will get to go to Whitman"... you can still give Whitman interest-based programs that allow out of boundary kids to go to Whitman if they really want.  The languages magnet seems fine to me-- Whitman offers more languages than other schools, let kids from other schools take advantage of Whitman language classes if they really want them. Their interest-based LASJ program also seems fine to me as an acceptable generic "I want my kid at Whitman, here's a way to do it" option.  

However, criteria-based academic magnets drawing top students are a totally different ballgame.  They increase the number of advanced students and advanced classes at schools, which can be really important and valuable for schools that struggle with that otherwise.  Giving a program like that to Whitman not only gives this benefit to a school that does not at all need it rather than to a school like Northwood that would have gained a lot from it, but actually actively hurt other schools by decreasing the number of advanced students in-bounds who stay. 

(It's also just offensive that Whitman kids will get a leg up in admissions to the humanities program because they will have a local set-aside that gives them a disproportionate share of slots.)

I'm not sure how this would really work for Region 5 - Currently we have Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg HS and Magruder and QO in Region 5. As a QO parent we would rather send our advanced kid to QO and just take AP courses rather than going to Gaithersburg HS which does not have a good rep and because the magnet will most likely be diluted with no strong cohorts for Region 5. I'm sure there will be other parents from QO who think the same.

It sucks because we had access to Poolesville before but now our kid who has no inclination to do anything in the medical field has to go to Gaithersburg or Watkins Mill for the advanced courses they are interested in and we want our kid in a learning environment not in schools with the worst reputations upcounty.

Just stay at QO. My DD is at Blair but if she was a bit younger she would not be attending a magnet. Even Blair won't be Blalr anymore. I predict many of these magnets will fail and at some point we will be back to a few strong ones.

Nothing will change at Blair. It will be fine.

Except 2/3rd of the gifted kids being imported in for the magnet won’t come and the special teachers will have options to go head new programs. The minimal middle class local pop will find it’s self applying to the two better schools it finds it’s self clustered with as it will no longer be the best of the DCC but in the bottom half of its new group. This too will cause a brain drain as motivated kids no longer seek it.

Without the influx Blair’s scores will fall and it will revert to being a high school version of eastern which it natively is.

You don't know much about this area, do you? There are tons of middle class families in the Blair/Northwood/Einstein area (the difference is that there are fewer upper-class families and more poor and working-class families than west of here, not that there's not many middle class families.) We don't need Blair to have a super-advanced program with the top 1% of kids in it to keep liking it-- it's popular largely because it's a good school, not because the SMCS kids are brilliant. And most of us don't want to go to Whitman or BCC, especially Whitman. Yes, Blair SMCS will change from being a super-elite program to "just" a strong program for smart kids, but we have plenty of smart kids in this area and most of us just don't care about it being an elite program as much as the parents from W schools do.

You can easily fill Blair with kids from the region but not all smart kids want to go. $200k is not middle class and some families make way more than that. You clearly don’t know parts of the dcc.

I think of the DCC I think of schools like Eastern which is like 2/3rd FARMS (and half of Blair) and other 1/3 I suspect not many break that 200K very often. Sure there a few neighborhood like Forest Glenn, woodside, Silgo Park Hills, Parts of Takoma where dual professionals are more common but those are small enclaves in a sea of other. You're quick to tout the benefits of these bucolic, well resourced and educated areas and their impact on the local school's culture even when in the minority but yet you dismiss what happens when the entire boundary of a school is comprised of similar if not more affluent and educated families. You can fill any program with any kids but right now most of the magnet kids are imported and you have all of the consortium thinking it is the best choice. That all changes day 1 of the new model and If you don't think local perceptions will change when the brain drain occurs and instead of coming in kids (the good students) start opting out to better schools and merit programs, well i hope you share your Kool-Aid

Why are you like this.

Are you from here? My neighbors and slightly further away neighbors are happy with Blair, Einstein, excited for the new Northwood, like the magnets at Eastern and Takoma Park, thrilled at SCES and Sligo Middle School. I actually know Woodlin people who were relieved not to get recommended for BCC because they prefer Einstein. Who are you and where are you that you have this perspective?

Well if you know a guy I guess all measurables can be thrown out the window then. Bottom line most people in the Blair Zone are there because it is the cheapest inner section of MoCo and they couldn't afford better. Sure there are a few that chose it over more expensive places because they viewed it as a better fit for what ever reason. Schools are the same dynamic. Not many people go to Maryland if accepted into Yale, sure maybe a tiny handful for fit, cost or location but its pointless to discuss the outliers. Truth is there is a choice on which schools people want to go to, at least with the people with options and the overwhelming vast majority vote with their pocket books and go to the better ones. Its a fools errand to entertain the people who know a guy who knows a gal that sour grapes proclaimed at some BBQ that they choose the lesser option because they didn't wan't the better one. Its like listening to the people in nosebleeds about how good their vantage point is and how it's a better community in their row. Yet they almost always move down if given even the slightest chance but then again you know a guy.....

Yeah i think you don't know what you are talking about.. Takoma Park parent here. We chose the Takoma Park community for our kids (and ourselves). I would say that we are UMC (bought a 1.5M+ home, have a vacation home, dual income-white collars 500k HHI MBA/PHD family, international vacations etc... giving you the basic criteria we talk about in the Money forum..).

And *gasp* we chose this community over bethesda or Mclean or other richer enclaves. Because we love the fact that the values of the community do not revolve around money, brands and flashy spending. It shows in our kids' groups who are full of well-mannered, educated, well-read, socially engaged, down to earth peers. I have friends in chevy chase and Bethesda and i don't envy their world at all.

I hope you are using UMC sarcastically?!

The amount of cognitive dissonance needed to call yourself UMC when you are in top 3% nationally on HHI and top 10% in MoCo……