Better for high-end career; UPenn or Duke?

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Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Wharton for my MBA. Wharton is not "without question" #1. It could be argued to be #1, but does not stand out from HBS or Stanford. I would actually probably put it third behind those two though it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. It is definitely better than Fuqua, though it does not blow it away.

Obviously not a doctor but I think the med schools are on par with each other. I don't think one can argue with a straight face that one is significantly better than the other. Same with the law schools (again, not as familiar with these but I'm pretty confident about this).

I really hate the posters here who post with so much conviction. Show a little humility. The more confident your post is, the less likely it is to be valid unless you clearly cite your credentials (though I'm sure many lie).

Medical doctor here. Penn medical school is without question a tier above Duke.

I don't think it is "a tier above". One can argue it is marginally better. But they are relatively close.

Not at all. Stop posting.

Where did you go to school? They clearly didn't teach logic, negotiations, how to write persuasively, and other such topics there.

Loser.

Look in the mirror. You are arguing anonymously with strangers on the internet. Read the last word you wrote.

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Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Wharton for my MBA. Wharton is not "without question" #1. It could be argued to be #1, but does not stand out from HBS or Stanford. I would actually probably put it third behind those two though it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. It is definitely better than Fuqua, though it does not blow it away.

Obviously not a doctor but I think the med schools are on par with each other. I don't think one can argue with a straight face that one is significantly better than the other. Same with the law schools (again, not as familiar with these but I'm pretty confident about this).

I really hate the posters here who post with so much conviction. Show a little humility. The more confident your post is, the less likely it is to be valid unless you clearly cite your credentials (though I'm sure many lie).

Nobody believes you went to Wharton.

Wharton #1, just one example here: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

What a dumb post. Yes, I went to Wharton. and no, as someone else just agreed with me, we are probably #3. Perhaps we are #1. But I would say 3. And most others would agree with me. You are going to argue with someone who downranks their own school? Really? Usually it is people over-inflating their alma mater.

This board is such a cesspool of ignorance, over-confidence, lies, and misinformation. It could be a valuable resource but it is not.

I get more value out of going to Reddit and watching nerds argue over whether Batman could beat up Captain America.

The goal here is to ensure your child has normal self esteem and perspective on life and does not ever rely on “my college was number one and yours was NUMBER THREE” on an anonymous message board.

Yup. And my favorite post was when I was trying to argue that my alma mater (Wharton) is NOT #1 (unlike everyone else who over-inflates their school) and someone cites US News as a source that it is. Anyone who depends on US News for nuanced distinctions between #1 and #3 or #25 and #27 is clearly clueless and lost.

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Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Wharton for my MBA. Wharton is not "without question" #1. It could be argued to be #1, but does not stand out from HBS or Stanford. I would actually probably put it third behind those two though it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. It is definitely better than Fuqua, though it does not blow it away.

Obviously not a doctor but I think the med schools are on par with each other. I don't think one can argue with a straight face that one is significantly better than the other. Same with the law schools (again, not as familiar with these but I'm pretty confident about this).

I really hate the posters here who post with so much conviction. Show a little humility. The more confident your post is, the less likely it is to be valid unless you clearly cite your credentials (though I'm sure many lie).

Nobody believes you went to Wharton.

Wharton #1, just one example here: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

What a dumb post. Yes, I went to Wharton. and no, as someone else just agreed with me, we are probably #3. Perhaps we are #1. But I would say 3. And most others would agree with me. You are going to argue with someone who downranks their own school? Really? Usually it is people over-inflating their alma mater.

This board is such a cesspool of ignorance, over-confidence, lies, and misinformation. It could be a valuable resource but it is not.

I get more value out of going to Reddit and watching nerds argue over whether Batman could beat up Captain America.

The goal here is to ensure your child has normal self esteem and perspective on life and does not ever rely on “my college was number one and yours was NUMBER THREE” on an anonymous message board.

Yup. And my favorite post was when I was trying to argue that my alma mater (Wharton) is NOT #1 (unlike everyone else who over-inflates their school) and someone cites US News as a source that it is. Anyone who depends on US News for nuanced distinctions between #1 and #3 or #25 and #27 is clearly clueless and lost.

If you really did attend Wharton, you should get your money back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Wharton for my MBA. Wharton is not "without question" #1. It could be argued to be #1, but does not stand out from HBS or Stanford. I would actually probably put it third behind those two though it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. It is definitely better than Fuqua, though it does not blow it away.

Obviously not a doctor but I think the med schools are on par with each other. I don't think one can argue with a straight face that one is significantly better than the other. Same with the law schools (again, not as familiar with these but I'm pretty confident about this).

I really hate the posters here who post with so much conviction. Show a little humility. The more confident your post is, the less likely it is to be valid unless you clearly cite your credentials (though I'm sure many lie).

Nobody believes you went to Wharton.

Wharton #1, just one example here: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

What a dumb post. Yes, I went to Wharton. and no, as someone else just agreed with me, we are probably #3. Perhaps we are #1. But I would say 3. And most others would agree with me. You are going to argue with someone who downranks their own school? Really? Usually it is people over-inflating their alma mater.

This board is such a cesspool of ignorance, over-confidence, lies, and misinformation. It could be a valuable resource but it is not.

I get more value out of going to Reddit and watching nerds argue over whether Batman could beat up Captain America.

The goal here is to ensure your child has normal self esteem and perspective on life and does not ever rely on “my college was number one and yours was NUMBER THREE” on an anonymous message board.

Yup. And my favorite post was when I was trying to argue that my alma mater (Wharton) is NOT #1 (unlike everyone else who over-inflates their school) and someone cites US News as a source that it is. Anyone who depends on US News for nuanced distinctions between #1 and #3 or #25 and #27 is clearly clueless and lost.

If you really did attend Wharton, you should get your money back.

Is that your version of "I know you are but what am I?" I'm not even sure what your point is anymore? Or why I am wasting my time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Penn for a dual degree program and while I have a lot of pride in Penn, you're wrong on multiple things.

First and foremost, I respect Duke as a peer school and accept it's better than us in multiple aspects and academic programs, while we're better than them in other programs. Now to your specifics on professional schools:

1. Wharton (business school) is not the #1 MBA. It's pretty universally considered #3 behind Harvard and Stanford. Wharton is a clear cut above Fuqua though.
2. Carey (law school) is borderline top 5. The undisputed top 3 are Harvard, Stanford, and Yale. Then some mix of Columbia, Penn, Duke, UChicago, NYU, and UVA could all claim a reason to be in the top 5.
3. Perelman (medical school) is not top 3. Generally the top 3 is some mix of Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Duke, UCSF, and Stanford. Penn is right up in the next level with WashU, Yale, Columbia, and NYU.

+1 this is well established, whoever was saying Wharton is #1 is clearly not in the know

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Wharton for my MBA. Wharton is not "without question" #1. It could be argued to be #1, but does not stand out from HBS or Stanford. I would actually probably put it third behind those two though it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. It is definitely better than Fuqua, though it does not blow it away.

Obviously not a doctor but I think the med schools are on par with each other. I don't think one can argue with a straight face that one is significantly better than the other. Same with the law schools (again, not as familiar with these but I'm pretty confident about this).

I really hate the posters here who post with so much conviction. Show a little humility. The more confident your post is, the less likely it is to be valid unless you clearly cite your credentials (though I'm sure many lie).

Nobody believes you went to Wharton.

Wharton #1, just one example here: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

What a dumb post. Yes, I went to Wharton. and no, as someone else just agreed with me, we are probably #3. Perhaps we are #1. But I would say 3. And most others would agree with me. You are going to argue with someone who downranks their own school? Really? Usually it is people over-inflating their alma mater.

This board is such a cesspool of ignorance, over-confidence, lies, and misinformation. It could be a valuable resource but it is not.

I get more value out of going to Reddit and watching nerds argue over whether Batman could beat up Captain America.

The goal here is to ensure your child has normal self esteem and perspective on life and does not ever rely on “my college was number one and yours was NUMBER THREE” on an anonymous message board.

Yup. And my favorite post was when I was trying to argue that my alma mater (Wharton) is NOT #1 (unlike everyone else who over-inflates their school) and someone cites US News as a source that it is. Anyone who depends on US News for nuanced distinctions between #1 and #3 or #25 and #27 is clearly clueless and lost.

If you really did attend Wharton, you should get your money back.

Is that your version of "I know you are but what am I?" I'm not even sure what your point is anymore? Or why I am wasting my time.

Give it a rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Penn for a dual degree program and while I have a lot of pride in Penn, you're wrong on multiple things.

First and foremost, I respect Duke as a peer school and accept it's better than us in multiple aspects and academic programs, while we're better than them in other programs. Now to your specifics on professional schools:

1. Wharton (business school) is not the #1 MBA. It's pretty universally considered #3 behind Harvard and Stanford. Wharton is a clear cut above Fuqua though.
2. Carey (law school) is borderline top 5. The undisputed top 3 are Harvard, Stanford, and Yale. Then some mix of Columbia, Penn, Duke, UChicago, NYU, and UVA could all claim a reason to be in the top 5.
3. Perelman (medical school) is not top 3. Generally the top 3 is some mix of Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Duke, UCSF, and Stanford. Penn is right up in the next level with WashU, Yale, Columbia, and NYU.

+1 this is well established, whoever was saying Wharton is #1 is clearly not in the know

While HBS and Stanford have specific advantages, those actually in the know understand Wharton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Penn for a dual degree program and while I have a lot of pride in Penn, you're wrong on multiple things.

First and foremost, I respect Duke as a peer school and accept it's better than us in multiple aspects and academic programs, while we're better than them in other programs. Now to your specifics on professional schools:

1. Wharton (business school) is not the #1 MBA. It's pretty universally considered #3 behind Harvard and Stanford. Wharton is a clear cut above Fuqua though.
2. Carey (law school) is borderline top 5. The undisputed top 3 are Harvard, Stanford, and Yale. Then some mix of Columbia, Penn, Duke, UChicago, NYU, and UVA could all claim a reason to be in the top 5.
3. Perelman (medical school) is not top 3. Generally the top 3 is some mix of Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Duke, UCSF, and Stanford. Penn is right up in the next level with WashU, Yale, Columbia, and NYU.

+1 this is well established, whoever was saying Wharton is #1 is clearly not in the know

While HBS and Stanford have specific advantages, those actually in the know understand Wharton.

Wharton has no advantage over HBS/Stanford except for proximity to NYC, in which case you would just attend Columbia. They do give nice merit scholarships though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^LOL!

Penn is a top 10 college with #1 undergraduate business, #1 MBA program, #5 law school, top 3 medical school, and so on.

Not really true, Penn has strong grad programs but you don't have to embellish. Their MBA is more comparable to top 3-5, while law school and medical school are more like top 10.

What ignorance on display here.

Wharton is #1 MBA. This is without question. Law school is top 5 and medical school is top 3.

There is no embellishment here. Just facts that anybody in these fields would agree with.

I went to Penn for a dual degree program and while I have a lot of pride in Penn, you're wrong on multiple things.

First and foremost, I respect Duke as a peer school and accept it's better than us in multiple aspects and academic programs, while we're better than them in other programs. Now to your specifics on professional schools:

1. Wharton (business school) is not the #1 MBA. It's pretty universally considered #3 behind Harvard and Stanford. Wharton is a clear cut above Fuqua though.
2. Carey (law school) is borderline top 5. The undisputed top 3 are Harvard, Stanford, and Yale. Then some mix of Columbia, Penn, Duke, UChicago, NYU, and UVA could all claim a reason to be in the top 5.
3. Perelman (medical school) is not top 3. Generally the top 3 is some mix of Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Duke, UCSF, and Stanford. Penn is right up in the next level with WashU, Yale, Columbia, and NYU.

+1 this is well established, whoever was saying Wharton is #1 is clearly not in the know

While HBS and Stanford have specific advantages, those actually in the know understand Wharton.

Wharton has no advantage over HBS/Stanford except for proximity to NYC, in which case you would just attend Columbia. They do give nice merit scholarships though.

I hope you are joking. Good grief.

[Anonymous]

Frank Bruni who teaches at Duke has said he wonders how 1/3 of his classes got in to Duke. But he doesn't know if they are oboe players or whatever the school needed that year. A pretty damning statement.

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Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni who teaches at Duke has said he wonders how 1/3 of his classes got in to Duke. But he doesn't know if they are oboe players or whatever the school needed that year. A pretty damning statement.

Yea all top schools have a mix of kids that may not be as strong academically as the rest of the student body. I’m sure Trump’s English professors at UPenn didn’t think he was the next Shakespeare

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Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni who teaches at Duke has said he wonders how 1/3 of his classes got in to Duke. But he doesn't know if they are oboe players or whatever the school needed that year. A pretty damning statement.

From my kid's private, Duka took a kid in the lowest decile because parents paid few millions to the school. Many kids in the top decile were rejected. Frankly, everyone was shocked that you don't even have to be a legacy, be in the bottom, be a drug addict and still get in. I know it happens at many schools but it was still shocking to see this kid get in. There is no doubt the kid is in the bottom 1/3.

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Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni who teaches at Duke has said he wonders how 1/3 of his classes got in to Duke. But he doesn't know if they are oboe players or whatever the school needed that year. A pretty damning statement.

Source that in context please? All I see is him raving about his students. And I have heard him say it in person.

Any school is going to have kids where you say “how did they get in?” But not 1/3. There are almost no tip schools that are fully immune from that. It is how they pay the bills.

But let’s pick on Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni who teaches at Duke has said he wonders how 1/3 of his classes got in to Duke. But he doesn't know if they are oboe players or whatever the school needed that year. A pretty damning statement.

From my kid's private, Duka took a kid in the lowest decile because parents paid few millions to the school. Many kids in the top decile were rejected. Frankly, everyone was shocked that you don't even have to be a legacy, be in the bottom, be a drug addict and still get in. I know it happens at many schools but it was still shocking to see this kid get in. There is no doubt the kid is in the bottom 1/3.

Every school has a bottom third. By definition. That’s the way it works.

That said, it sounds like this Duke kid was a terrible choice for admission. No doubt there are similar kids at every school, including Penn and Harvard (looking at you, Jared Kushner.) The system sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni who teaches at Duke has said he wonders how 1/3 of his classes got in to Duke. But he doesn't know if they are oboe players or whatever the school needed that year. A pretty damning statement.

Source that in context please? All I see is him raving about his students. And I have heard him say it in person.

Any school is going to have kids where you say “how did they get in?” But not 1/3. There are almost no tip schools that are fully immune from that. It is how they pay the bills.

But let’s pick on Duke.

Interview with Jeff Selingo a couple of days ago. Start at around 41 minutes

https://youtu.be/auljs2pVmMM?si=BaIW6XVDph2Co0rF