Anonymous wrote:Curious what the miserable poster above thinks about the Cap Orange player going so quickly. Shout out to her!
I think it is wonderful, she should be super proud. If she works hard she can be set up for success, Dartmouth is a great school. But to my point regarding top recruits, Dartmouth isn’t very good, they got smashed by every decent team they played last year. They have had some recruiting successes in the past two cycles, nabbing a few highly ranked kids, but the rest of their classes are typically marginal D1 types.
LMAO, Dartmouth was a top 25 team last year, they're not very good? They got smashed by every decent team? They beat top 20 UMass, got 3 top 30 wins elsewhere, were in 2 and 3 goal games in the 4th quarter with the 3 heavyweights of the Ivy before bleeding out.
Would they get smashed by a top 3 team about every time, and have trouble if they played a top 6 team every week? Yes, and so would 95% or more of wlax.
That's funny you concede their better recruiting classes are recently (including a 5* and 4 4*s as freshmen for this year), but want to point out previous classes to that weren't as good. So they may be... better? Won't the 27s be playing with the recent classes and not the ones that have since graduated?
Cool. Thanks for the "media" poll of probably 3 people on twitter and some IL writers who hopefully do it part-time for their $30k a year.
They finished 22 in RPI. Your UMass fave is on there. They played Brown to a 1 goal game. I thought they got smashed by everyone? They played 9 teams in the top 30 RPI and finished 9 and 6, beating 4 of top 30s. There are 130+ teams in Division 1, and yet you believe they've been able to do what they did with all marginal D1 recruits. You're a hoot.
Lmao, RPI is just an algo, much like US club lax’s, and it is adjusted by humans just like the polls. Who do you think is a better judge of rankings, some computer nerd or the actual D1 coaches that get polled for the coaches rankings?
RPI was introduced in the 1980s and I believe hasn't been adjusted since. What "adjustment by humans" do you believe is going on?
Considering RPI is used for really the only reason to have rankings in the first place, the NCAA tournament, and coaches' polls aren't, I'd say the algo. You quite obviously don't understand how few sh*** coaches care about voting in the coaches polls. Serious question - are you new to lacrosse?
The NCAA selection committee’s own docs clearly state that they use record against ranked teams, SOS based on how opponents ranked, and significant wins and losses using a given team’s rankings. RPI is used too, but so are rankings.
You are clueless. Your last coaches poll shows they managed to get 15 coaches out of 130+ to submit one this year, telling their asst to the asst AD to fax it over. That's not as good as the 18 they had last year, but better than the 13 from 2 years ago. No one cares about it, and they're certainly not pouring over film and stats of every candidate in their free 10 days before summer long recruiting starts.
Yeah, that’s not me talking about the RPI. I am well aware of it, how it is used, and why the NCAA selection committees have all moved away from it being a main criteria. Are coaches or media polls perfect, of course not, but the NCAA is moving away from the RPI for a reason. Basketball has already stopped using it if I recall correctly.
NCAA hoops moved to a different quantitative system. They also don't use polls. Neither does lacrosse. Hockey is a straight mathematical formula.
The rankings (ratings) they're talking about (wins and losses against, etc.) are the RPI rankings. Not the polls. So you're not well aware. Until now.
I think you are mixing up arguments, I never said RPI was worse than coaches
and/or media polls, and I never said anything about polls being used for tournament seeding. And so I was correct, basketball has moved away from RPI, I guess I was aware.
What did you mean by this, then? Be specific:
"The NCAA selection committee’s own docs clearly state that they use record against ranked teams, SOS based on how opponents ranked, and significant wins and losses using a given team’s rankings. RPI is used too, but so are rankings. "
What did you mean by rankings?
NCAA selection committees haven't "all" been moving away from RPI being a main criteria. Where are you hearing this? RPI is used prominently in evaluating lacrosse teams for tournament selection. For everything except head-to-head, where it's not needed.
You laughed at the notion of RPI as a rankings tool vs your media and coaches poll faves. Instead of just leaving it. And now you're dug in. Dartmouth was the #22 team in the country last year.
What I mean is I didn’t write that. I did post the two polls that showed Dartmouth outside of the top 25, but the rest of the RPI vs polls stuff is you and someone else. I concede that the polls aren’t perfect, but obviously the RPI isn’t perfect either, which is why the NCAA is pulling away from it. If you want to go by RPI, cool, Dartmouth is #22. But according to everyone else, they weren’t in the top 25.
No idea why you wouldn't have made that clear until now in this case. What did you mean by rankings from my last post? Do you need me to post the quote again?
Anonymous wrote:Curious what the miserable poster above thinks about the Cap Orange player going so quickly. Shout out to her!
I think it is wonderful, she should be super proud. If she works hard she can be set up for success, Dartmouth is a great school. But to my point regarding top recruits, Dartmouth isn’t very good, they got smashed by every decent team they played last year. They have had some recruiting successes in the past two cycles, nabbing a few highly ranked kids, but the rest of their classes are typically marginal D1 types.
Dartmouth is just one of the highest academic institutions in the country with a top 25 Wlax program that has the best draw girl in the game and beat three currently-ranked top-30 teams and held two others to competitive games. BC and Penn were the only big losses. Kids have a pathway to Wall Street and will make incredible dough once they graduate if they want. Unlike ...
Really, which poll had them in the top 25? They played a terrible schedule and got stomped by BC, UPenn, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. UMass is the only decent win they had last year, and UMass’ ranking was propped up by a super weak schedule. Dartmouth is wonderful, but the lacrosse program is not great.
You people are crazy. This is splitting hairs. It's Dartmouth. The team is good enough. Unlike football and basketball there isn't NIL money or future multi-million dollar contract. Good grief people.
Anonymous wrote:Curious what the miserable poster above thinks about the Cap Orange player going so quickly. Shout out to her!
I think it is wonderful, she should be super proud. If she works hard she can be set up for success, Dartmouth is a great school. But to my point regarding top recruits, Dartmouth isn’t very good, they got smashed by every decent team they played last year. They have had some recruiting successes in the past two cycles, nabbing a few highly ranked kids, but the rest of their classes are typically marginal D1 types.
Dartmouth is just one of the highest academic institutions in the country with a top 25 Wlax program that has the best draw girl in the game and beat three currently-ranked top-30 teams and held two others to competitive games. BC and Penn were the only big losses. Kids have a pathway to Wall Street and will make incredible dough once they graduate if they want. Unlike ...
Really, which poll had them in the top 25? They played a terrible schedule and got stomped by BC, UPenn, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. UMass is the only decent win they had last year, and UMass’ ranking was propped up by a super weak schedule. Dartmouth is wonderful, but the lacrosse program is not great.
You people are crazy. This is splitting hairs. It's Dartmouth. The team is good enough. Unlike football and basketball there isn't NIL money or future multi-million dollar contract. Good grief people.
The entire anti-Dartmouth arguments from all sides have been ludicrous. Maybe do it once they have another off year.
Anonymous wrote:Please-Please let someone else commit very soon so we can move on.
Ask and ye shall receive - Sky Walkers White to Stanford. Just posted on Instagram.
Local girl from Sidwell. Way to go!
Cap Orange and Sky Walkers White girls showing that continuing to work hard can have its rewards. Being on those teams can be an obstacle (relatively speaking) to getting to top programs, but it's also possible to work your way up still with the opportunity you do have.
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