Surgeon only gives Tylenol after surgery

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Anonymous wrote:I met with a surgeon today for a consult for significant and urgent surgery. There were a number of things I was unimpressed with but one was that they only give Tylenol. I feel like they would probably give more if a patient was in REALLY bad shape but her take was “some discomfort is normal after major surgery but it should be manageable with Tylenol.” That’s jacked up. We invented medication so that you don’t have to feel pain. Give a patient 3-5 days of pain meds. I’m meeting with other surgeons because this one seems heartless.

Apparently your surgery isn't that urgent.

Quit doctor shopping for drugs. Tylenol and ibuprofen will mitigate most pain. Neither has significant side effects, withdrawal symptoms, addiction potential or other complications. You don't need 3-5 days of narcotics, and if you do, you can be prescribed them when you need them. Demanding drugs you probably won't need in advance is drug-seeking behavior. No, you should not have an expectation of 'zero pain' post-surgery. You should anticipate and prepare for discomfort at a level commensurate with whatever procedure you're having done, and be with it for the brief time it's present because that's life in a body. I would strongly suggest you avoid opioids like the plague they are, as the withdrawals kick in after even short-term use, and 3-5 days is more than enough to trigger addiction.

-long-term chronic pain patient who has BTDT with pretty much all of the painkiller options

Asking for pain medication after major surgery is not “drug seeking behavior.” People have lost their minds!

One thing I have always noted on DCUM is the purist mentality; it is so toxic. Pain meds work! There is no prize at the end for enduring crippling pain after a c-section, hysterectomy, bunion removal, or thyroidectomy.

And I am sick of doctors telling me THEY know my body better than I DO. I see no reason to suffer because someone somewhere is addicted to something. Change surgeons and don't look back OP. If you get home from surgery with only Tylenol and have crippiling pain at 2 am, it will be unnecessarily effing miserable getting relief, trust me, I know.

Agreed. And it’s damn clear that one or more posters are in fact opioid addicts (“chronic pain patient”) who are eager to see their own flaws and failures in everyone else.

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Women fill more opiod prescriptions than men. In 2019, there were 47 opiod prescriptions for opiods per 100 people, by 2023 this decreased to 37 opioid prescriptions for 100 people. In 2017, 55% of women reported opioid use vs 42% of men. in 2019, almost 1 in 4 women were being prescribed narcotics annually and for women who filled a narcotics prescroption, they filled it on average 3.6 times in a year.

8.6 million Americans reported misusing opiods in 2023.

The statistics do not support the underprescribing of opioids to women.

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Anonymous wrote:I met with a surgeon today for a consult for significant and urgent surgery. There were a number of things I was unimpressed with but one was that they only give Tylenol. I feel like they would probably give more if a patient was in REALLY bad shape but her take was “some discomfort is normal after major surgery but it should be manageable with Tylenol.” That’s jacked up. We invented medication so that you don’t have to feel pain. Give a patient 3-5 days of pain meds. I’m meeting with other surgeons because this one seems heartless.

Apparently your surgery isn't that urgent.

Quit doctor shopping for drugs. Tylenol and ibuprofen will mitigate most pain. Neither has significant side effects, withdrawal symptoms, addiction potential or other complications. You don't need 3-5 days of narcotics, and if you do, you can be prescribed them when you need them. Demanding drugs you probably won't need in advance is drug-seeking behavior. No, you should not have an expectation of 'zero pain' post-surgery. You should anticipate and prepare for discomfort at a level commensurate with whatever procedure you're having done, and be with it for the brief time it's present because that's life in a body. I would strongly suggest you avoid opioids like the plague they are, as the withdrawals kick in after even short-term use, and 3-5 days is more than enough to trigger addiction.

-long-term chronic pain patient who has BTDT with pretty much all of the painkiller options

Trash. You’re just trash, my god.

And you're an idiot and an ass, so good luck with being that weak in the world.

There is nothing weaker than a b itch attacking OP. Christ, you’re such a loser.

Enjoy the pain! Love it for you!

I'm the one who dropped links into the thread. You just drop this hateful, unhinged, messy deuce nonsense. We are not the same.

I hope you find some relief from whatever's hurting you to the point you feel the need to unload on an anonymous stranger. Tylenol has been show to improve moods...

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Approximately 125 million opioid prescriptions were dispensed to American patients in 2023—with wide variation across states. CDC

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Anonymous wrote:I met with a surgeon today for a consult for significant and urgent surgery. There were a number of things I was unimpressed with but one was that they only give Tylenol. I feel like they would probably give more if a patient was in REALLY bad shape but her take was “some discomfort is normal after major surgery but it should be manageable with Tylenol.” That’s jacked up. We invented medication so that you don’t have to feel pain. Give a patient 3-5 days of pain meds. I’m meeting with other surgeons because this one seems heartless.

Apparently your surgery isn't that urgent.

Quit doctor shopping for drugs. Tylenol and ibuprofen will mitigate most pain. Neither has significant side effects, withdrawal symptoms, addiction potential or other complications. You don't need 3-5 days of narcotics, and if you do, you can be prescribed them when you need them. Demanding drugs you probably won't need in advance is drug-seeking behavior. No, you should not have an expectation of 'zero pain' post-surgery. You should anticipate and prepare for discomfort at a level commensurate with whatever procedure you're having done, and be with it for the brief time it's present because that's life in a body. I would strongly suggest you avoid opioids like the plague they are, as the withdrawals kick in after even short-term use, and 3-5 days is more than enough to trigger addiction.

-long-term chronic pain patient who has BTDT with pretty much all of the painkiller options

Asking for pain medication after major surgery is not “drug seeking behavior.” People have lost their minds!

One thing I have always noted on DCUM is the purist mentality; it is so toxic. Pain meds work! There is no prize at the end for enduring crippling pain after a c-section, hysterectomy, bunion removal, or thyroidectomy.

And I am sick of doctors telling me THEY know my body better than I DO. I see no reason to suffer because someone somewhere is addicted to something. Change surgeons and don't look back OP. If you get home from surgery with only Tylenol and have crippiling pain at 2 am, it will be unnecessarily effing miserable getting relief, trust me, I know.

Agreed. And it’s damn clear that one or more posters are in fact opioid addicts (“chronic pain patient”) who are eager to see their own flaws and failures in everyone else.

Y'all would rather start attacking people you don't even know than listen and read and learn.

I've been totally sober for years, sweetie. If you're mad about me trying to prevent someone from walking the road to hell I managed to make it through, well, that's something for you to take up with your medical professionals (though if they've found a cure for being an inflammed and irritable ass on the internet, I don't know about it). Best of luck to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I met with a surgeon today for a consult for significant and urgent surgery. There were a number of things I was unimpressed with but one was that they only give Tylenol. I feel like they would probably give more if a patient was in REALLY bad shape but her take was “some discomfort is normal after major surgery but it should be manageable with Tylenol.” That’s jacked up. We invented medication so that you don’t have to feel pain. Give a patient 3-5 days of pain meds. I’m meeting with other surgeons because this one seems heartless.

Apparently your surgery isn't that urgent.

Quit doctor shopping for drugs. Tylenol and ibuprofen will mitigate most pain. Neither has significant side effects, withdrawal symptoms, addiction potential or other complications. You don't need 3-5 days of narcotics, and if you do, you can be prescribed them when you need them. Demanding drugs you probably won't need in advance is drug-seeking behavior. No, you should not have an expectation of 'zero pain' post-surgery. You should anticipate and prepare for discomfort at a level commensurate with whatever procedure you're having done, and be with it for the brief time it's present because that's life in a body. I would strongly suggest you avoid opioids like the plague they are, as the withdrawals kick in after even short-term use, and 3-5 days is more than enough to trigger addiction.

-long-term chronic pain patient who has BTDT with pretty much all of the painkiller options

Trash. You’re just trash, my god.

And you're an idiot and an ass, so good luck with being that weak in the world.

There is nothing weaker than a b itch attacking OP. Christ, you’re such a loser.

Enjoy the pain! Love it for you!

I'm the one who dropped links into the thread. You just drop this hateful, unhinged, messy deuce nonsense. We are not the same.

I hope you find some relief from whatever's hurting you to the point you feel the need to unload on an anonymous stranger. Tylenol has been show to improve moods...

Tylenol may help ease the pain of hurt feelings https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/12/04/567762087/tylenol-may-help-ease-the-pain-of-hurt-feelings

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Anonymous wrote:Look OP the doctor isn’t a good match for you so move on. You are also giving a lot of red flags as a patient with this “urgent” surgery that clearly can’t be too urgent. It isn’t a travel experience. It’s surgery and you should expect some discomfort and uncomfortableness.
Your doctor is correct IMO to not release pathology in a portal. My mom learned of her cancer this way and it was traumatic as she sat and waited for answers.
100% team doctor.

Oh, I didn’t realize “my mom had cancer” made you an honorary MD, or at least a swashbuckler for the honor of a doctor who has a policy of refusing to consider pain management broadly when treating patients.

You’re too stupid to deal with. But you’ve obviously got friends here.

It was regarding releasing the pathology report, not pain meds, but OK.

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Anonymous wrote:I met with a surgeon today for a consult for significant and urgent surgery. There were a number of things I was unimpressed with but one was that they only give Tylenol. I feel like they would probably give more if a patient was in REALLY bad shape but her take was “some discomfort is normal after major surgery but it should be manageable with Tylenol.” That’s jacked up. We invented medication so that you don’t have to feel pain. Give a patient 3-5 days of pain meds. I’m meeting with other surgeons because this one seems heartless.

Apparently your surgery isn't that urgent.

Quit doctor shopping for drugs. Tylenol and ibuprofen will mitigate most pain. Neither has significant side effects, withdrawal symptoms, addiction potential or other complications. You don't need 3-5 days of narcotics, and if you do, you can be prescribed them when you need them. Demanding drugs you probably won't need in advance is drug-seeking behavior. No, you should not have an expectation of 'zero pain' post-surgery. You should anticipate and prepare for discomfort at a level commensurate with whatever procedure you're having done, and be with it for the brief time it's present because that's life in a body. I would strongly suggest you avoid opioids like the plague they are, as the withdrawals kick in after even short-term use, and 3-5 days is more than enough to trigger addiction.

-long-term chronic pain patient who has BTDT with pretty much all of the painkiller options

Asking for pain medication after major surgery is not “drug seeking behavior.” People have lost their minds!

One thing I have always noted on DCUM is the purist mentality; it is so toxic. Pain meds work! There is no prize at the end for enduring crippling pain after a c-section, hysterectomy, bunion removal, or thyroidectomy.

And I am sick of doctors telling me THEY know my body better than I DO. I see no reason to suffer because someone somewhere is addicted to something. Change surgeons and don't look back OP. If you get home from surgery with only Tylenol and have crippiling pain at 2 am, it will be unnecessarily effing miserable getting relief, trust me, I know.

Agreed. And it’s damn clear that one or more posters are in fact opioid addicts (“chronic pain patient”) who are eager to see their own flaws and failures in everyone else.

Y'all would rather start attacking people you don't even know than listen and read and learn.

I've been totally sober for years, sweetie. If you're mad about me trying to prevent someone from walking the road to hell I managed to make it through, well, that's something for you to take up with your medical professionals (though if they've found a cure for being an inflammed and irritable ass on the internet, I don't know about it). Best of luck to you.

It’s interesting. The people I know who are serious about sobriety would not be addressing another person this way. Maybe they are unusual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Without saying what surgery it is, it’s really hard to tell whether this is reasonable or not.

+1 I just had laparoscopic hysterectomy and Tylenol was fine. I only took it 2 days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I met with a surgeon today for a consult for significant and urgent surgery. There were a number of things I was unimpressed with but one was that they only give Tylenol. I feel like they would probably give more if a patient was in REALLY bad shape but her take was “some discomfort is normal after major surgery but it should be manageable with Tylenol.” That’s jacked up. We invented medication so that you don’t have to feel pain. Give a patient 3-5 days of pain meds. I’m meeting with other surgeons because this one seems heartless.

This is a best practice now because the thinking about pain management has changed dramatically due to the opioid crisis.

My elderly mom got Tylenol after her spinal surgery last year. She had a three inch incision. She said the Tylenol was enough and she appreciated not feel dopey and nauseated from opioids.

I had Tylenol after a recent outpatient procedure. I have a very low pain threshold. Before my procedure, my surgeon had me practice three techniques involving breathing, visualization, and distraction to use in conjunction with Tylenol. They worked beautifully.

Good lord this is the last thing I want to do in the she of modern medicine. I also knew I wanted an epidural from the start. Making people endure pain when there are real options available is horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You Karens. Go have a knee replacement with some Tylenol for a few days.

Most joint replacements have a nerve block and an inter-articular injection to manage pain. The spinach is the pain locally and does not require much narcotics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women fill more opiod prescriptions than men. In 2019, there were 47 opiod prescriptions for opiods per 100 people, by 2023 this decreased to 37 opioid prescriptions for 100 people. In 2017, 55% of women reported opioid use vs 42% of men. in 2019, almost 1 in 4 women were being prescribed narcotics annually and for women who filled a narcotics prescroption, they filled it on average 3.6 times in a year.

8.6 million Americans reported misusing opiods in 2023.

The statistics do not support the underprescribing of opioids to women.

Does that study control for women living longer and being more proactive about medical care?

[Anonymous]

It's really hard to respond when the OP didn't say what kind of surgery it was. A tonsillectomy is extremely painful. A lumpectomy was not.

[Anonymous]

It is higher dose Tylenol than you typically buy. My son and I have both had surgeries where they prescribe the Rx Tylenol as well as stronger stuff like Oxy etc. neither of us have ever used the Oxy etc. if my 9 year old son can do it after an invasive procedure that involved two parts of his body, I think most people can.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of a professor I had in undergrad who on day 1 said "I don't give out As"

I hate fixed people like that. OP you are smart to shop around. I've had one serious surgery and one bone break. I got oxy for both, reasonable amount, took what I needed and didn't get hooked. But I needed it. A doctor who doesn't understand how these pain medicines work (beyond tylenol) are not worth their medical degree

+1 and this isn't how people get addicted, from a day or two of using those meds. I used them after my C section. It's long term pain and other issues.

I would be annoyed too OP. This does not seem like a patient centered approach.

There is actually plenty of research supporting the use of non-opioid pain relief for post surgical pain (Tylenol and ibuprofen). It is very patient centered to choose an effective medication with fewer risks.

After a recent dental surgery my dentist said this and offered citations. Not sure if he never prescribes something stronger (I didnt ask) but the evidence looked good. After my c-section im assuming I got something stronger in the hospital but after day 3 I just cycled tylenol and ibuprofen and it was fine.