Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey

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Anonymous wrote:Give it to insecure Duke grads for being angry about being left behind in a reject list

Still agonizing over the ding letter from Duke? Or are you a Kentucky fan still bitter about 1992?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this data is suspect - says that .5% of admitted students had Cornell as their top choice over Princeton. I can confirm absolutely that there has never been a student who had Cornell as their top choice over Princeton

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these students intended to major in engineering: Cornell is especially strong in this area and arguably better known for it than Princeton (although the latter also has a good engineering program). Nor would I find it shocking if a disadvantaged student who wanted an academically rigorous school preferred Cornell over Princeton from a social perspective.

If there are specific reasons you think that no one would ever choose Cornell over Princeton, I'd be interested in hearing what these are.

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Anonymous wrote:funny how the private school kids are the cheaters - no surprise

Cheaters

Homeschooled: 50%
Non-competitive public: 23.2%
Parochial: 19.1%
Competitive public: 17.6%
Independent: 12.2%

These percentages are appallingly high across the board, but what's striking is that the students from less competitive academic backgrounds--those who faced less competition from their classmates with respect to college admissions--cheated more than those who knew from day 1 that they'd be competing with their own classmates to get into Harvard et al. The homeschooling stat is particularly notable in this regard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Give it to insecure Duke grads for being angry about being left behind in a reject list

Still agonizing over the ding letter from Duke? Or are you a Kentucky fan still bitter about 1992?

lol, the insecurity shows itself again. I went to the school out west that Duke wishes it was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:funny how the private school kids are the cheaters - no surprise

Cheaters

Homeschooled: 50%
Non-competitive public: 23.2%
Parochial: 19.1%
Competitive public: 17.6%
Independent: 12.2%

These percentages are appallingly high across the board, but what's striking is that the students from less competitive academic backgrounds--those who faced less competition from their classmates with respect to college admissions--cheated more than those who knew from day 1 that they'd be competing with their own classmates to get into Harvard et al. The homeschooling stat is particularly notable in this regard.

Only 2 homeschoolers in the survey

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:funny how the private school kids are the cheaters - no surprise

Cheaters

Homeschooled: 50%
Non-competitive public: 23.2%
Parochial: 19.1%
Competitive public: 17.6%
Independent: 12.2%

These percentages are appallingly high across the board, but what's striking is that the students from less competitive academic backgrounds--those who faced less competition from their classmates with respect to college admissions--cheated more than those who knew from day 1 that they'd be competing with their own classmates to get into Harvard et al. The homeschooling stat is particularly notable in this regard.

The homeschooling stat likely suffers from small sample size, though. Not sure you can come to any conclusions based on that.

The low numbers for certain boarding and magnet schools is likely because some of those schools have an honor code that has absolutely zero tolerance for cheating--meaning you go before a board and if you're found to have cheated, you're gone. So the cheaters, if they're caught, don't graduate from those schools because they're thrown out and return to either their base school or drop down to a "lower-tier" boarding/independent school that takes people who are kicked out of the big ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:funny how the private school kids are the cheaters - no surprise

Cheaters

Homeschooled: 50%
Non-competitive public: 23.2%
Parochial: 19.1%
Competitive public: 17.6%
Independent: 12.2%

These percentages are appallingly high across the board, but what's striking is that the students from less competitive academic backgrounds--those who faced less competition from their classmates with respect to college admissions--cheated more than those who knew from day 1 that they'd be competing with their own classmates to get into Harvard et al. The homeschooling stat is particularly notable in this regard.

Truly independent schools have the ability to put in place and enforce zero-tolerance policies and use expulsion to keep kids in line and keep them from cheating. Some of the other types of institutions here can't legitimately threaten expulsion.