Question for those outraged about funding cuts

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s tax any endowment amount over $1.5B at 50% and earmark those funds for research.

Great idea. Let's tax you at 50% too, and give it to research and financial aid.

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My DC, who’s currently evaluating offers from several top medical schools for 80/20 clinical care/research faculty positions is seriously reconsidering. They already make less than half the salary in academics vs private practice. With anticipated lack of research funds, why go that route?

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Anonymous wrote:^PP again. The bottom line:
"In 1978, Harvard University had a $1.4 billion endowment and admitted 2,200 incoming students.

In 2023, the endowment sits at $50.7 billion—with 1,942 students admitted. That’s a 3,521% increase to their endowment and a 12% decrease to their admissions. And the same is true for the rest of Ivy League."

Why do you care? Only because you are interested in destroying excellence. Go to Truth Social to find your crew.

I'm not MAGA. At all. I'm not the OP. But Harvard is hoarding wealth in opposition to its stated and historical mission. You can't be so starry-eyed about ivy league schools that you don't call them out for this insane hypocrisy.

But it is a MAGA talking point to yell about Harvard's endowment. Slashing NIH funding will hurt West Virginia University, Pitt, University of Maryland, and so on. And you didn't give those as an example. You picked the instituion in the BEST position to weather this storm.

Also, if you were genuinely asking, when you ask schools to dig in to their endowments to fund research, you're asking universities to pay for the research the public needs. University of Maryland doesn't need us to cure lukemia, the public does. Which is why the public invests in research. Universities won't see it as their jobs to cover the public need for health research.

I'm in research, and every biomedical health researcher I know thinks this is going to drastically impact our progress. People who are actually in the field and know how things work. It's astounding to me that either people outside of the system think they know better - either that of they don't even care that health innovations will be drastically cut. Clinical trials won't be funded at anywhere near the same pace.

Those of you in red states, please call your congressional representatives. PLEASE.

I would love to know if anyone is reading these well reasoned arguments about NIH funding and listening. Are any folks who have digested MAGA talking points open enough to say "Oh I didn't think of it that way. Geez I guess this is a big deal." I would feel so much better if I heard of ONE person who approached this with humility and didn't blindly accept right wing rhetoric (rhetoric offered mostly by people who have spent no time understanding the complex issues here).

Would you grant the same courtesy and justify all the funding and not just listen to the left-wing propaganda?

Of course, every researcher whose income is in some way tied to this funding has a massive incentive to say the sky is falling if not funded. You know, it is like asking a barber if you need a haircut. You know what the answer is going to be.

I voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala. Cannot get myself to vote for someone who instigated Jan 6th and many such atrocious behaviors. So, not MAGA at all.

But I fully support these cuts.

Not because it does not do good, it does, but because there is so much waste. I had a front row seat to this waste.

This is where many of you are exact carbon copies of MAGA. You are just 100% convinced you are right and that this funding is absolutely needed and anyone who questions this must be most charitably called "un-educated".

You don’t know what you’re talking about or why this will devastate medical research, but since you wouldn’t listen anyway, I’ll just say that it’s three weeks into this administration and THIS is what we’re doing? This is what we’re targeting? Not the billions in document Medicare advantage fraud? Not Blackrock or Congress who can effectively legally commit insider trading? Not trillions in waste due to the military industrial complex? No, we’re arguing about who is paying the salaries of Offices of Research and the electrical bills in labs.

It’s the same distraction bullshit as performing N.zi salutes just to get people to argue if we did indeed see what our eyes told us we saw.

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Anonymous wrote:^PP again. The bottom line:
"In 1978, Harvard University had a $1.4 billion endowment and admitted 2,200 incoming students.

In 2023, the endowment sits at $50.7 billion—with 1,942 students admitted. That’s a 3,521% increase to their endowment and a 12% decrease to their admissions. And the same is true for the rest of Ivy League."

Why do you care? Only because you are interested in destroying excellence. Go to Truth Social to find your crew.

I'm not MAGA. At all. I'm not the OP. But Harvard is hoarding wealth in opposition to its stated and historical mission. You can't be so starry-eyed about ivy league schools that you don't call them out for this insane hypocrisy.

But it is a MAGA talking point to yell about Harvard's endowment. Slashing NIH funding will hurt West Virginia University, Pitt, University of Maryland, and so on. And you didn't give those as an example. You picked the instituion in the BEST position to weather this storm.

Also, if you were genuinely asking, when you ask schools to dig in to their endowments to fund research, you're asking universities to pay for the research the public needs. University of Maryland doesn't need us to cure lukemia, the public does. Which is why the public invests in research. Universities won't see it as their jobs to cover the public need for health research.

I'm in research, and every biomedical health researcher I know thinks this is going to drastically impact our progress. People who are actually in the field and know how things work. It's astounding to me that either people outside of the system think they know better - either that of they don't even care that health innovations will be drastically cut. Clinical trials won't be funded at anywhere near the same pace.

Those of you in red states, please call your congressional representatives. PLEASE.

I would love to know if anyone is reading these well reasoned arguments about NIH funding and listening. Are any folks who have digested MAGA talking points open enough to say "Oh I didn't think of it that way. Geez I guess this is a big deal." I would feel so much better if I heard of ONE person who approached this with humility and didn't blindly accept right wing rhetoric (rhetoric offered mostly by people who have spent no time understanding the complex issues here).

Would you grant the same courtesy and justify all the funding and not just listen to the left-wing propaganda?

Of course, every researcher whose income is in some way tied to this funding has a massive incentive to say the sky is falling if not funded. You know, it is like asking a barber if you need a haircut. You know what the answer is going to be.

I voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala. Cannot get myself to vote for someone who instigated Jan 6th and many such atrocious behaviors. So, not MAGA at all.

But I fully support these cuts.

Not because it does not do good, it does, but because there is so much waste. I had a front row seat to this waste.

This is where many of you are exact carbon copies of MAGA. You are just 100% convinced you are right and that this funding is absolutely needed and anyone who questions this must be most charitably called "un-educated".

You’ve shown throughout this thread that you have no clue about NIH research.

Ok, go ahead, tell us about all the waste that you have a front row seat to. How will illegally limiting overheads overnight on existing grants help with what you're seeing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The government can factor in the size of a university's endowment when awarding research grants and choose not to award a school that can afford to do the research on its own.

But the government not funding any research is extremely short sighted.

No university in the country can afford to spend $100 to $200 million a year on government research, this is a horrible suggestion.

That's not at all what the post says.

[Anonymous]

Look, there may be a point to cutting grant money marked for overhead. Maybe there isn't. I'm open to investigating the issue, holding hearings and then Congress making a decision about what percentage of a grant is appropriate to pay for overhead.

What I'm NOT okay with is this chaos. University employees and universities deserve to have their say before their budgets are cut. They deserve the opportunity to plan for the future. They deserve time to adjust.

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Anonymous wrote:^PP again. The bottom line:
"In 1978, Harvard University had a $1.4 billion endowment and admitted 2,200 incoming students.

In 2023, the endowment sits at $50.7 billion—with 1,942 students admitted. That’s a 3,521% increase to their endowment and a 12% decrease to their admissions. And the same is true for the rest of Ivy League."

Why do you care? Only because you are interested in destroying excellence. Go to Truth Social to find your crew.

I'm not MAGA. At all. I'm not the OP. But Harvard is hoarding wealth in opposition to its stated and historical mission. You can't be so starry-eyed about ivy league schools that you don't call them out for this insane hypocrisy.

But it is a MAGA talking point to yell about Harvard's endowment. Slashing NIH funding will hurt West Virginia University, Pitt, University of Maryland, and so on. And you didn't give those as an example. You picked the instituion in the BEST position to weather this storm.

Also, if you were genuinely asking, when you ask schools to dig in to their endowments to fund research, you're asking universities to pay for the research the public needs. University of Maryland doesn't need us to cure lukemia, the public does. Which is why the public invests in research. Universities won't see it as their jobs to cover the public need for health research.

I'm in research, and every biomedical health researcher I know thinks this is going to drastically impact our progress. People who are actually in the field and know how things work. It's astounding to me that either people outside of the system think they know better - either that of they don't even care that health innovations will be drastically cut. Clinical trials won't be funded at anywhere near the same pace.

Those of you in red states, please call your congressional representatives. PLEASE.

I would love to know if anyone is reading these well reasoned arguments about NIH funding and listening. Are any folks who have digested MAGA talking points open enough to say "Oh I didn't think of it that way. Geez I guess this is a big deal." I would feel so much better if I heard of ONE person who approached this with humility and didn't blindly accept right wing rhetoric (rhetoric offered mostly by people who have spent no time understanding the complex issues here).

Would you grant the same courtesy and justify all the funding and not just listen to the left-wing propaganda?

Of course, every researcher whose income is in some way tied to this funding has a massive incentive to say the sky is falling if not funded. You know, it is like asking a barber if you need a haircut. You know what the answer is going to be.

I voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala. Cannot get myself to vote for someone who instigated Jan 6th and many such atrocious behaviors. So, not MAGA at all.

But I fully support these cuts.

Not because it does not do good, it does, but because there is so much waste. I had a front row seat to this waste.

This is where many of you are exact carbon copies of MAGA. You are just 100% convinced you are right and that this funding is absolutely needed and anyone who questions this must be most charitably called "un-educated".

You know the thing is I don’t have to defend every $ spent by a university because there is a right way to make cuts and a wrong way.

You want to debate what the proper overhead % is, that’s fine. Let’s have that discussion and maybe we’ll end up with a different one after airing all the viewpoints.

But right now Congress has specified the overhead % and those grants have been awarded and no ahole gets to come along and announce that as of tomorrow the % is being cut down to 15% because project 2025 or whatever

This is precisely why Musk is doing what he is doing. There is no incentive for anyone in the system to agree to anything but the barest of bare minimum cuts.

Swamp would never agree to drain itself.

That is literally an argument for replacing our constitutional democracy with dictatorship

Just disgusting how many of you are willing to walk away from democracy because someone told you lies

Yes. Trump has effectively divorced a large chunk of people from viable reporting and actual facts.

You know who divorced the majority of the people from "viable reporting and actual facts"? The media. After decades of them lying and shilling for the Democrats, nobody trusts them, and they have nobody but themselves to blame.

MAGA person again trolling. Go away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s tax any endowment amount over $1.5B at 50% and earmark those funds for research.

Great idea. Let's tax you at 50% too, and give it to research and financial aid.

PP has one of the worst ideas I think I’ve ever heard. Good way to essentially eviscerate lacs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s tax any endowment amount over $1.5B at 50% and earmark those funds for research.

Why this magical figure of $1.5B?

[Anonymous]

Did anyone read this?
https://open.substack.com/pub/davidpepper/p/widen-the-lens-the-dark-endgame-of?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web