Are you brave enough to fly?

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Boeing would like a word.


So Boeing is a problem with ATC?
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Anonymous wrote:Yes I am. I hope there are more people who are scared so we can have cheap tickets like when all the panickers stayed home.


During Covid that was nice.


Right? Looking forward to reasonable summer prices and absence of hoards everywhere
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Oh now, you know it was just a complete coincidence that we have had an unprecedented number of airplane incidents in the past few weeks and Duffy is talking about bringing Space X in to help with it. This was definitely not part of the plan all along. The people on those plans definitely were not collateral damage, allowing Trump to justify extending Elon’s government grift to air travel. Nothing to see here.
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Anonymous wrote:This is what the president plans for air traffic control:

We're all gonna sit down and do a great computerized system for our control towers. Brand new. Not pieced together, obsolete, like it is, land-based. Trying to hook up a land-based system to a satellite system. The first thing that some experts told me when this happened is you can't hook up land to satellites and you can't hook up satellites to land. It doesn't work. We spend billions of billions of dollars trying to renovate an old, broken system, instead of just saying cut it loose, and let's spend less money and build a great system done by two or three companies, very good companies, specialists, that's all it is. They used 39 companies. That means that 39 different hookups have to happen. And I don't know how many people of you are good in terms of all of the kinds of things necessary for that. And it's very complex stuff. But when you have 39 different companies working on hooking up different cities at different people. You need one company. With one set of equipment. And there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems. And they would've, bells would've gone off when that helicopter literally even hit the same height. Because it traveled a long distance before it hit. It was just like, just wouldn't stop. Follow the line. But bells and whistles would've gone off. They have 'em where it actually could virtually turn the thing around. It would've just never happened if we had the right equipment.
And one of things that's gonna be, l'm gonna speaking to John and to Mike and to Chuck and everybody, we have to get together and just as a single bill just pass where we get the best control system. When I land in my plane, privately, l use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I'm landing in New York and I'm using a sys- I won't tell you what country, but l use a system from another country because the captain says 'This thing is so bad, it's so obsolete.' And we can't have that.


I put this in Chat GPT for analysis…

Spoken Language Analysis

When analyzing this passage as spoken language, we focus on speech patterns, coherence, fluency, and effectiveness in communication, rather than strict grammatical correctness.

Vocabulary Level (Spoken Language):
• The vocabulary remains simple and conversational, likely at a 5th to 7th-grade level.
• There is repetition (“brand new,” “obsolete,” “broken system”) and informal phrasing (“we’re all gonna sit down,” “bells and whistles would’ve gone off”).
• The speaker uses basic terminology instead of technical terms, which may make the speech more accessible to a general audience but less precise.

Grammar and Fluency (Spoken Language):
• The grammar is informal, with sentence fragments, run-ons, and unfinished thoughts.
• The structure is disorganized, with frequent topic shifts (jumping from outdated systems to using foreign technology to legislative action).
• The speech contains filler words (“and,” “because,” “it’s so bad”) and self-corrections (“I use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I’m landing in New York and I’m using a sys- I won’t tell you what country…”), which are typical in spontaneous speech.
• The lack of subject-verb agreement and incomplete comparisons (“there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems”) make some points difficult to follow.

Coherence and Effectiveness in Speech:
• The message is clear in broad strokes (advocating for a more modernized air traffic control system), but the delivery is unfocused and repetitive.
• The use of anecdotal evidence (personal experience landing in New York) might appeal to an audience emotionally but lacks hard data or specifics.
• The jump between ideas (“bells and whistles would’ve gone off,” then suddenly discussing legislation) makes it harder to track the main point.
• The phrase “39 different hookups have to happen” is vague and lacks context, making it difficult to grasp the intended technical argument.

Accuracy of Information (Spoken Context):
• The statement about land-based systems not connecting to satellites is incorrect—modern satellite-based air traffic control systems do integrate with ground systems.
• The claim about foreign systems being used for private landings is unclear—while some international air traffic systems are more modern, pilots landing in the U.S. must still rely on domestic FAA systems.
• The exaggeration of 39 companies working on different hookups lacks specific evidence and makes the argument seem imprecise.

Summary (Spoken Context):
• Vocabulary Level: Simple (~5th to 7th grade), informal, and repetitive.
• Grammar & Structure: Disorganized with fragmented and run-on sentences, typical of impromptu speech.
• Fluency & Coherence: Main message is understandable but frequently loses focus, making it harder to follow.
• Accuracy: Some statements are misleading or incorrect, relying more on emotional appeal than factual precision.

This speech reflects an unscripted, conversational style, likely meant for a general audience rather than a technical or policymaking one. While it conveys a broad concern about air traffic control inefficiencies, the lack of structure, factual inconsistencies, and imprecise language reduce its overall effectiveness.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents


and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.


DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents


and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.


DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.


No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents


and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.


DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.


No stop with your fake trump propaganda ans get a job.
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Anonymous wrote:This is what the president plans for air traffic control:

We're all gonna sit down and do a great computerized system for our control towers. Brand new. Not pieced together, obsolete, like it is, land-based. Trying to hook up a land-based system to a satellite system. The first thing that some experts told me when this happened is you can't hook up land to satellites and you can't hook up satellites to land. It doesn't work. We spend billions of billions of dollars trying to renovate an old, broken system, instead of just saying cut it loose, and let's spend less money and build a great system done by two or three companies, very good companies, specialists, that's all it is. They used 39 companies. That means that 39 different hookups have to happen. And I don't know how many people of you are good in terms of all of the kinds of things necessary for that. And it's very complex stuff. But when you have 39 different companies working on hooking up different cities at different people. You need one company. With one set of equipment. And there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems. And they would've, bells would've gone off when that helicopter literally even hit the same height. Because it traveled a long distance before it hit. It was just like, just wouldn't stop. Follow the line. But bells and whistles would've gone off. They have 'em where it actually could virtually turn the thing around. It would've just never happened if we had the right equipment.
And one of things that's gonna be, l'm gonna speaking to John and to Mike and to Chuck and everybody, we have to get together and just as a single bill just pass where we get the best control system. When I land in my plane, privately, l use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I'm landing in New York and I'm using a sys- I won't tell you what country, but l use a system from another country because the captain says 'This thing is so bad, it's so obsolete.' And we can't have that.


I put this in Chat GPT for analysis…

Spoken Language Analysis

When analyzing this passage as spoken language, we focus on speech patterns, coherence, fluency, and effectiveness in communication, rather than strict grammatical correctness.

Vocabulary Level (Spoken Language):
• The vocabulary remains simple and conversational, likely at a 5th to 7th-grade level.
• There is repetition (“brand new,” “obsolete,” “broken system”) and informal phrasing (“we’re all gonna sit down,” “bells and whistles would’ve gone off”).
• The speaker uses basic terminology instead of technical terms, which may make the speech more accessible to a general audience but less precise.

Grammar and Fluency (Spoken Language):
• The grammar is informal, with sentence fragments, run-ons, and unfinished thoughts.
• The structure is disorganized, with frequent topic shifts (jumping from outdated systems to using foreign technology to legislative action).
• The speech contains filler words (“and,” “because,” “it’s so bad”) and self-corrections (“I use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I’m landing in New York and I’m using a sys- I won’t tell you what country…”), which are typical in spontaneous speech.
• The lack of subject-verb agreement and incomplete comparisons (“there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems”) make some points difficult to follow.

Coherence and Effectiveness in Speech:
• The message is clear in broad strokes (advocating for a more modernized air traffic control system), but the delivery is unfocused and repetitive.
• The use of anecdotal evidence (personal experience landing in New York) might appeal to an audience emotionally but lacks hard data or specifics.
• The jump between ideas (“bells and whistles would’ve gone off,” then suddenly discussing legislation) makes it harder to track the main point.
• The phrase “39 different hookups have to happen” is vague and lacks context, making it difficult to grasp the intended technical argument.

Accuracy of Information (Spoken Context):
• The statement about land-based systems not connecting to satellites is incorrect—modern satellite-based air traffic control systems do integrate with ground systems.
• The claim about foreign systems being used for private landings is unclear—while some international air traffic systems are more modern, pilots landing in the U.S. must still rely on domestic FAA systems.
• The exaggeration of 39 companies working on different hookups lacks specific evidence and makes the argument seem imprecise.

Summary (Spoken Context):
• Vocabulary Level: Simple (~5th to 7th grade), informal, and repetitive.
• Grammar & Structure: Disorganized with fragmented and run-on sentences, typical of impromptu speech.
• Fluency & Coherence: Main message is understandable but frequently loses focus, making it harder to follow.
• Accuracy: Some statements are misleading or incorrect, relying more on emotional appeal than factual precision.

This speech reflects an unscripted, conversational style, likely meant for a general audience rather than a technical or policymaking one. While it conveys a broad concern about air traffic control inefficiencies, the lack of structure, factual inconsistencies, and imprecise language reduce its overall effectiveness.


For comparison, I did the same for Biden speaking about air traffic as well…

Vocabulary Grade Level:

The vocabulary in this passage is at an 8th to 10th-grade reading level. It uses mostly accessible words, but occasionally introduces slightly more complex terminology (e.g., “reimbursement,” “finalized,” “upfront”). The language is straightforward but still formal enough to convey authority and policy, making it appropriate for a general audience, including the general public and potentially professionals in the airline or governmental sectors.

Grammar/Language Level:
• Grammar: The passage is generally well-structured for spoken language, with a few informal elements like interruptions, self-corrections, and occasional sentence fragments. However, the language remains relatively formal and organized overall, appropriate for a presidential address. Some run-on sentences and informal phrasing (e.g., “Well, guess what happened?” or “That’s not all.”) make it sound more conversational but not overly casual. There are minimal errors, such as the “frees” instead of “fees,” but these don’t detract significantly from the message.
• Language/Style: The language is persuasive and approachable, using repetition for emphasis (e.g., “That’s real savings for middle-class and working-class families”). It balances informal conversational tone with formal policy statements, making it accessible yet authoritative.

Accuracy:
• Overall Accuracy: The passage is largely accurate in its claims about recent changes in airline policies, such as refunds, rebooking, and compensation. It correctly highlights improvements made by airlines in response to customer dissatisfaction and government pressure.
• Specific Accuracy:
• The claim about $50 billion of assistance during the pandemic is accurate and well-documented.
• The statements about airlines changing their seating and rebooking policies to allow for free family seating and free rebooking are correct.
• Holiday disruptions mentioned (stranded travelers, cancellations) refer to real events in recent years (e.g., Southwest Airlines’ 2022 holiday meltdown). However, this is not universal to all airlines, but the speech correctly points to broader industry-wide issues.

Summary:
• Vocabulary Level: 8th to 10th grade—approachable but professional.
• Grammar/Language Level: Clear, mostly formal with conversational elements, suitable for public speaking.
• Accuracy: Largely accurate in reflecting recent airline policies and industry challenges, with minimal exaggeration or oversimplification.

The passage is effective for a general audience, both informative and persuasive while remaining accessible and credible.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents


and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.


DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.


No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.


It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents


and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.


DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.


No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.


It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.


Weird that out of all 5 airplane incidents, the only one they attribute to pilot error is the Army helicopter. I wonder why.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents


and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.


DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.


No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.


It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.


Weird that out of all 5 airplane incidents, the only one they attribute to pilot error is the Army helicopter. I wonder why.



I don’t think they have issued the final report yet. All these crash will be placed on the ATC DEI hires. Trump will have final say on the report and we will never know the reason for the crashes.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Oh now, you know it was just a complete coincidence that we have had an unprecedented number of airplane incidents in the past few weeks and Duffy is talking about bringing Space X in to help with it. This was definitely not part of the plan all along. The people on those plans definitely were not collateral damage, allowing Trump to justify extending Elon’s government grift to air travel. Nothing to see here.


Yep.
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents


and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.


DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.


No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.


It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.


Weird that out of all 5 airplane incidents, the only one they attribute to pilot error is the Army helicopter. I wonder why.



I don’t think they have issued the final report yet. All these crash will be placed on the ATC DEI hires. Trump will have final say on the report and we will never know the reason for the crashes.


This, Trump declared the cause at his press conference. You really think the FAA or anyone experiencing mass layoffs and firings will conduct an actual investigation to counter that conclusion?
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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.


What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?


Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.


We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.


Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

Where’s the crash?
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