MoCo “Attainable Housing” plan and property values

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for. We liked Moco but it was obvious that politically the future isn’t bright. Between the illegal immigrants and proposed changes to schools, zoning and housing policies, it seemed too risky. Also how Covid was handled and a state government that doesn’t support or encourage job creation.

I have to agree with you. Montgomery County has been on a bad trajectory for a while now. Now that the schools are also bad, the county doesn’t have a strong differentiator. If you like high taxes, dense housing, crime and bad schools why not just live in DC?

I'm not sure if you actually believe that or if you're pushing a narrative in bad faith, but "dense housing, crime, and bad schools" does not apply to the wealthier parts of Montgomery County.

Haha YIMBYs are ridiculously naive. It absolutely does apply to wealthy parts of MOCO. The #1 predictive variable for crime rates and school outcome is household income level. If you bring in density and invite lower income housing the schools will tank, crime rates will increase. It is unavoidable.

PP here. Person I'm responding to is talking about now, not in the hypothetical future. And nothing in my post indicates I am a YIMBY. Your reading comprehension is really bad. I am totally unaffected by this plan.

I understand very clearly that this round of upcoming "doesn't impact you". However, 2nd or 3rd round or upzoning almost certainly will. It does not stop here and this is only the beginning. You may not identify as a YIMBY, but the nonchalant attitude is similar to one and the results will be them same. If you let them win now it is game over and your neighborhood is next. The YIMBYs will start arguing that this policy does go far enough and we need to do more almost immediately after this one goes through. Give the YIMBYs an inch and they will take ten miles.

"First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist..."

First they came for the Metro-adjacent SFHs, and I did not speak out, because I live in a neighborhood with protective covenants. Then my house value went up.

Which neighborhoods in close-in Silver Spring, which will be ground zero for the proposed changes given the relatively lower cost of property acquisition by developers, have protective covenants? Your characterization is a straw man.

Did you read the quoted posts before replying? This comment thread is discussing MoCo as a whole, not close-in Silver Spring.

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for. We liked Moco but it was obvious that politically the future isn’t bright. Between the illegal immigrants and proposed changes to schools, zoning and housing policies, it seemed too risky. Also how Covid was handled and a state government that doesn’t support or encourage job creation.

I have to agree with you. Montgomery County has been on a bad trajectory for a while now. Now that the schools are also bad, the county doesn’t have a strong differentiator. If you like high taxes, dense housing, crime and bad schools why not just live in DC?

I'm not sure if you actually believe that or if you're pushing a narrative in bad faith, but "dense housing, crime, and bad schools" does not apply to the wealthier parts of Montgomery County.

Haha YIMBYs are ridiculously naive. It absolutely does apply to wealthy parts of MOCO. The #1 predictive variable for crime rates and school outcome is household income level. If you bring in density and invite lower income housing the schools will tank, crime rates will increase. It is unavoidable.

PP here. Person I'm responding to is talking about now, not in the hypothetical future. And nothing in my post indicates I am a YIMBY. Your reading comprehension is really bad. I am totally unaffected by this plan.

I understand very clearly that this round of upcoming "doesn't impact you". However, 2nd or 3rd round or upzoning almost certainly will. It does not stop here and this is only the beginning. You may not identify as a YIMBY, but the nonchalant attitude is similar to one and the results will be them same. If you let them win now it is game over and your neighborhood is next. The YIMBYs will start arguing that this policy does go far enough and we need to do more almost immediately after this one goes through. Give the YIMBYs an inch and they will take ten miles.

"First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist..."

First they came for the Metro-adjacent SFHs, and I did not speak out, because I live in a neighborhood with protective covenants. Then my house value went up.

Which neighborhoods in close-in Silver Spring, which will be ground zero for the proposed changes given the relatively lower cost of property acquisition by developers, have protective covenants? Your characterization is a straw man.

Did you read the quoted posts before replying? This comment thread is discussing MoCo as a whole, not close-in Silver Spring.

Yes, I read the posts. Did you? I said those neighborhoods would be ground zero. Totally relevant.

I posted the "First they came for the socialists..." Someone responded with a straw-man send-up based on covenants. To my understanding, there aren't covenants that would protect the ground-zero area that likely would first be affected.

[Anonymous]

OP, I wouldn't worry too much about your property values if you're in a close-in neighborhood or suburb. MoCo is just one piece of the puzzle. This is happening in Arlington and Alexandria and I think buyers will come to expect diverse housing types in this area. I don't think it's going to be an issue for property values but I definitely understand why people are concerned. None of us want the neighborhoods we love to change. That's human nature.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I wouldn't worry too much about your property values if you're in a close-in neighborhood or suburb. MoCo is just one piece of the puzzle. This is happening in Arlington and Alexandria and I think buyers will come to expect diverse housing types in this area. I don't think it's going to be an issue for property values but I definitely understand why people are concerned. None of us want the neighborhoods we love to change. That's human nature.

It will absolutely harm home values for Many communities. No one wants to live in slums. The rich will leave and the riff raff will take their place.

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Moco follows California and other far left cities in everything they do.

a few years ago, the ADU was all the rage for the county council and zoning committee and that was supposed to help usher in a bunch of affordable housing. I dont think many were built.

so now, its the SFH zoning b/c thats going to usher in a bunch of affordable housing.

when the zoning doesnt change much, then the council will start mandating what happens in neighborhoods.

hopefully by then my kids are grown and I can move.

[Anonymous]

Ugh. I spend a lot of time in the Netherlands, and thought I would enjoy all the walking and biking everywhere, but it’s a nightmare. So uncomfortable and annoying to be right on top of everything. I literally thank God when I get home to my American suburbia. I love suburban planning! And I don’t like the direction MoCo is going on this!

[Anonymous]

I thought I read it where they were approve for neighborhoods along Rt 29 and Rt 270.

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I don't think any builder wants to build in moco The permit process is a joke. And I don't think any flipper wants to go through the process either.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any builder wants to build in moco The permit process is a joke. And I don't think any flipper wants to go through the process either.

And yet they do.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any builder wants to build in moco The permit process is a joke. And I don't think any flipper wants to go through the process either.

And yet they do.

It’s not that difficult with the right architect and civil engineer.

[Anonymous]

This is awful.
And truly, a lot of us are betting on our homes to be where we retire and it’s value to allow us to sustain a decent standard of living at old age if we sell, transfer to children, etc.
None of this walkability stuff is true, it’s an imposition.
And we can already feel the results of these measures. In two years, our beloved elementary school of Westbrook has gone from a ranking of 9 to 7 as they turned it into a Title 1 school. There has been incidents of Anti Semitism, alcohol in a 4th grade bathroom, increased behavior issues. This is overwhelming and there is no place or good reason to disrupt perfectly fine neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful.
And truly, a lot of us are betting on our homes to be where we retire and it’s value to allow us to sustain a decent standard of living at old age if we sell, transfer to children, etc.
None of this walkability stuff is true, it’s an imposition.
And we can already feel the results of these measures. In two years, our beloved elementary school of Westbrook has gone from a ranking of 9 to 7 as they turned it into a Title 1 school. There has been incidents of Anti Semitism, alcohol in a 4th grade bathroom, increased behavior issues. This is overwhelming and there is no place or good reason to disrupt perfectly fine neighborhoods.

What a bunch of nonsense, starting with the fact that Westbrook is not a title I school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is awful.
And truly, a lot of us are betting on our homes to be where we retire and it’s value to allow us to sustain a decent standard of living at old age if we sell, transfer to children, etc.
None of this walkability stuff is true, it’s an imposition.
And we can already feel the results of these measures. In two years, our beloved elementary school of Westbrook has gone from a ranking of 9 to 7 as they turned it into a Title 1 school. There has been incidents of Anti Semitism, alcohol in a 4th grade bathroom, increased behavior issues. This is overwhelming and there is no place or good reason to disrupt perfectly fine neighborhoods.

Did you just start the thread in the MCPS forum too?

[Anonymous]

To the actual topic at hand, for this to be successful, folks are going to have to sell to developers. Personally I have a property prime for this new plan, walkable to two metro stations (equidistant to both), right on a major corridor and entirely walkable. It’s why we bought the house. I’m not selling it until my kids are grown and away. But if a developer offered me 3x the value to walk away I totally would…. So to me, this could be a windfall. And I suspect my neighbors think of it the same way—- it won’t come to fruition unless developers pay up for the properties

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful.
And truly, a lot of us are betting on our homes to be where we retire and it’s value to allow us to sustain a decent standard of living at old age if we sell, transfer to children, etc.
None of this walkability stuff is true, it’s an imposition.
And we can already feel the results of these measures. In two years, our beloved elementary school of Westbrook has gone from a ranking of 9 to 7 as they turned it into a Title 1 school. There has been incidents of Anti Semitism, alcohol in a 4th grade bathroom, increased behavior issues. This is overwhelming and there is no place or good reason to disrupt perfectly fine neighborhoods.

Did you just start the thread in the MCPS forum too?

No.