MoCo “Attainable Housing” plan and property values

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will ruin neighborhoods and reduce properties values in some neighborhoods without protections from excessive density. Neighborhoods with protective covenants and HOA's that prevent multifamily housing will become more valuable. Some properties close in that have higher redevelopment potential will increase in value due to higher land prices. Many of the others will lose value and resident quality of life will go down hill. Single family communities close to high quality private schools with strong HOA/Covenants to protect thew neighborhood are likely safe. However, many middle class homeowners in desirable school attendance zones will be financially destroyed if this passes.

Oh, we are doing hyperbolic posts like this already? Cool. My turn:

It will enhance the quality of life in all neighborhoods and increase home values everywhere. The density around transit corridors will bring vibrant walkable destinations and resident-serving businesses that increase tax revenue to the county, thereby increasing the quality and quality of all county services for everyone. Within 10 years we will have the ideal mix of different housing types for all types with stable property values for all.

Progressives--you don't care about others' opinions on your objectives--so just get in power, implement what you want as is your plan--don't bother pretending here that you are looking to understand other perspectives or that you care of we agree with you or not--you don't. This whole thread is a waste of time.

Most progressives don't want added density. If you ask many people why they voted for Elrich time and again, it's because he was the anti-development candidate. The problem is that planning departments -- whether in MoCo or Arlington -- have become captive to developers. And developers know how to sell their development goals in progressive language that makes planning departments drool. I'm not sure why Elrich isn't doing more to quash some of this, but my sense is that it's not very far along just yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we sure this won't override neighborhood protective clauses? That is how they're pushing this through in some NE towns. I can't find information about that anywhere.

I truly hope not.

[Anonymous]

I don’t wanna upzone because of progressive values. I want to upzone because I am a libertarian that believes in minimal zoning. Zoning is literally big government telling me what to do with my property. We need to abolish zoning short of industrial facilities. No reason commercial needs to be separated from residential. The corner store ideal and all the wonderful neighborhood interactions are dead thanks to zoning. The suburbs killed society and everybody is too alienated because they have to drive everywhere

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we sure this won't override neighborhood protective clauses? That is how they're pushing this through in some NE towns. I can't find information about that anywhere.

This. It is unclear if the county will be forced to comply with a municipality who has stricter zoning laws. Our understanding is that they might be able to override those and make multi unit housing on SFH zones area. And yes, this is developer’s dreams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will ruin neighborhoods and reduce properties values in some neighborhoods without protections from excessive density. Neighborhoods with protective covenants and HOA's that prevent multifamily housing will become more valuable. Some properties close in that have higher redevelopment potential will increase in value due to higher land prices. Many of the others will lose value and resident quality of life will go down hill. Single family communities close to high quality private schools with strong HOA/Covenants to protect thew neighborhood are likely safe. However, many middle class homeowners in desirable school attendance zones will be financially destroyed if this passes.

Have any of these things happened with Missing Middle in Arlington?

Its too early to see the full effects of this policy. There is is also uncertainty regarding the litigation about the zoning changes, so not many of the units have been built yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will ruin neighborhoods and reduce properties values in some neighborhoods without protections from excessive density. Neighborhoods with protective covenants and HOA's that prevent multifamily housing will become more valuable. Some properties close in that have higher redevelopment potential will increase in value due to higher land prices. Many of the others will lose value and resident quality of life will go down hill. Single family communities close to high quality private schools with strong HOA/Covenants to protect thew neighborhood are likely safe. However, many middle class homeowners in desirable school attendance zones will be financially destroyed if this passes.

Have any of these things happened with Missing Middle in Arlington?

Its too early to see the full effects of this policy. There is is also uncertainty regarding the litigation about the zoning changes, so not many of the units have been built yet.

This. At the very least, moco should wait 10 years to see what happens with that experiment before pushing this through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t wanna upzone because of progressive values. I want to upzone because I am a libertarian that believes in minimal zoning. Zoning is literally big government telling me what to do with my property. We need to abolish zoning short of industrial facilities. No reason commercial needs to be separated from residential. The corner store ideal and all the wonderful neighborhood interactions are dead thanks to zoning. The suburbs killed society and everybody is too alienated because they have to drive everywhere

Alright, well have fun with your libertarian utopia. I'm sure you will love it when you are unable to sleep at night because of noise pollution and your property smell like marijuana due to the halfway house next door. Unlimited property rights cost everyone else in the community from negative externalities. If you eliminate zoning and let people do whatever they want, you are going to have problems with school overcrowding, traffic, there will be increased flooding excessive impervious surfaces, etc. There needs to be some balance between individual property rights and impact on the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will ruin neighborhoods and reduce properties values in some neighborhoods without protections from excessive density. Neighborhoods with protective covenants and HOA's that prevent multifamily housing will become more valuable. Some properties close in that have higher redevelopment potential will increase in value due to higher land prices. Many of the others will lose value and resident quality of life will go down hill. Single family communities close to high quality private schools with strong HOA/Covenants to protect thew neighborhood are likely safe. However, many middle class homeowners in desirable school attendance zones will be financially destroyed if this passes.

Oh, we are doing hyperbolic posts like this already? Cool. My turn:

It will enhance the quality of life in all neighborhoods and increase home values everywhere. The density around transit corridors will bring vibrant walkable destinations and resident-serving businesses that increase tax revenue to the county, thereby increasing the quality and quality of all county services for everyone. Within 10 years we will have the ideal mix of different housing types for all types with stable property values for all.

Progressives--you don't care about others' opinions on your objectives--so just get in power, implement what you want as is your plan--don't bother pretending here that you are looking to understand other perspectives or that you care of we agree with you or not--you don't. This whole thread is a waste of time.

Most progressives don't want added density. If you ask many people why they voted for Elrich time and again, it's because he was the anti-development candidate. The problem is that planning departments -- whether in MoCo or Arlington -- have become captive to developers. And developers know how to sell their development goals in progressive language that makes planning departments drool. I'm not sure why Elrich isn't doing more to quash some of this, but my sense is that it's not very far along just yet.

The problem is that the planning schools have been overtaken by pro-density zealots. The only solution to everything is to add more density and make everyone live in apartments now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we sure this won't override neighborhood protective clauses? That is how they're pushing this through in some NE towns. I can't find information about that anywhere.

This. It is unclear if the county will be forced to comply with a municipality who has stricter zoning laws. Our understanding is that they might be able to override those and make multi unit housing on SFH zones area. And yes, this is developer’s dreams.

Municipalities and states generally don't have the legal authority to override protective covenants established by private parties that prevent the subdivision of lots or multifamily housing. This will likely be overturned by federal courts because it is generally not permissible to invalidate contracts that were legally valid at the time they were established. They likely can ban the establishment of new protective covenants with certain conditions though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t wanna upzone because of progressive values. I want to upzone because I am a libertarian that believes in minimal zoning. Zoning is literally big government telling me what to do with my property. We need to abolish zoning short of industrial facilities. No reason commercial needs to be separated from residential. The corner store ideal and all the wonderful neighborhood interactions are dead thanks to zoning. The suburbs killed society and everybody is too alienated because they have to drive everywhere

Alright, well have fun with your libertarian utopia. I'm sure you will love it when you are unable to sleep at night because of noise pollution and your property smell like marijuana due to the halfway house next door. Unlimited property rights cost everyone else in the community from negative externalities. If you eliminate zoning and let people do whatever they want, you are going to have problems with school overcrowding, traffic, there will be increased flooding excessive impervious surfaces, etc. There needs to be some balance between individual property rights and impact on the community.

Negative externalities are something you can put a price on, and mitigate accordingly.

[Anonymous]

progressive love density and destroying neighborhoods that have good public schools. Then they live in these condo/apartments/dense areas for a few years, riding their bikes, walking around to get coffee and talk about how good it is. that is until they have kids and then they move further out into the suburbs for the same type of land and housing that existed close-in until they ruined it. They will blame it on their child needing specialized teachers that are certified in this or that b/c of how their child learns. its rinse and repeat across this country

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we sure this won't override neighborhood protective clauses? That is how they're pushing this through in some NE towns. I can't find information about that anywhere.

This. It is unclear if the county will be forced to comply with a municipality who has stricter zoning laws. Our understanding is that they might be able to override those and make multi unit housing on SFH zones area. And yes, this is developer’s dreams.

Municipalities and states generally don't have the legal authority to override protective covenants established by private parties that prevent the subdivision of lots or multifamily housing. This will likely be overturned by federal courts because it is generally not permissible to invalidate contracts that were legally valid at the time they were established. They likely can ban the establishment of new protective covenants with certain conditions though.

I am certain that MOCO will sue these neigborhoods into oblivion to get what they want. The good thing is the county cant do anything quickly except road diets, so you literally may have to wait a decade or more before the lawsuits and then possibly developers even start.

[Anonymous]

thankfully my neighborhood off Mass Ave just missed the priority housing districts...for now!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t wanna upzone because of progressive values. I want to upzone because I am a libertarian that believes in minimal zoning. Zoning is literally big government telling me what to do with my property. We need to abolish zoning short of industrial facilities. No reason commercial needs to be separated from residential. The corner store ideal and all the wonderful neighborhood interactions are dead thanks to zoning. The suburbs killed society and everybody is too alienated because they have to drive everywhere

What is that famous quote about Libertarians and house cats? Apropos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t wanna upzone because of progressive values. I want to upzone because I am a libertarian that believes in minimal zoning. Zoning is literally big government telling me what to do with my property. We need to abolish zoning short of industrial facilities. No reason commercial needs to be separated from residential. The corner store ideal and all the wonderful neighborhood interactions are dead thanks to zoning. The suburbs killed society and everybody is too alienated because they have to drive everywhere

Alright, well have fun with your libertarian utopia. I'm sure you will love it when you are unable to sleep at night because of noise pollution and your property smell like marijuana due to the halfway house next door. Unlimited property rights cost everyone else in the community from negative externalities. If you eliminate zoning and let people do whatever they want, you are going to have problems with school overcrowding, traffic, there will be increased flooding excessive impervious surfaces, etc. There needs to be some balance between individual property rights and impact on the community.

Here’s what happens when Libertarians are in charge:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/30/libertarians-took-control-of-this-small-town-it-didnt-end-well/