MacArthur is the new Walls

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Anonymous wrote:They had to fill the early classes when Hardy kids had a choice of JR and chose JR. Starting next year, all of Hardy feeds to MacArthur. After a few years of Hardy—>MacArthur it will start to become what it will be: a small neighborhood high school serving families who sent their kids to Mann Stoddert Key Eaton or Hyde Addison and on to Hardy. If neighborhood families hold the line - collective action, just like on banning cell phones from schools - we can do this. Send your kid to Hardy. Send them on to MacArthur.



Hardy has 14% at risk kids also going to MacArthur so add that to current numbers and you are close to 55% so over half the school.

Then siblings will follow. It’s going to take a long time to dilute that. It’s not going to be a few years because the school started with such high at risk numbers.

It will still be a title 1 school after this year I bet


You are adding 14% at Hardy to 41% at Macarthur to get to 55%? Not following this logic.
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Anonymous wrote:They had to fill the early classes when Hardy kids had a choice of JR and chose JR. Starting next year, all of Hardy feeds to MacArthur. After a few years of Hardy—>MacArthur it will start to become what it will be: a small neighborhood high school serving families who sent their kids to Mann Stoddert Key Eaton or Hyde Addison and on to Hardy. If neighborhood families hold the line - collective action, just like on banning cell phones from schools - we can do this. Send your kid to Hardy. Send them on to MacArthur.



Hardy has 14% at risk kids also going to MacArthur so add that to current numbers and you are close to 55% so over half the school.

Then siblings will follow. It’s going to take a long time to dilute that. It’s not going to be a few years because the school started with such high at risk numbers.

It will still be a title 1 school after this year I bet



Trying to suppress a snarky comment but you do know that adding two groups with different % doesn’t work like that? Are you saying current MA is 41% at risk and then adding rising 9th grade at 14% to school next year = the whole school 55%???

It’s possible they will still keep 40%+ and Title I due to attrition of non-at-risk Hardy students going private or selective, but no way does the at risk go up so much to become more than half!
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Will also add that the majority of middle and UMC black families scattered throughout the rest of the city are not sending their kids to DCPS

If you don’t understand why then you don’t know enough of these families.
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Anonymous wrote:They had to fill the early classes when Hardy kids had a choice of JR and chose JR. Starting next year, all of Hardy feeds to MacArthur. After a few years of Hardy—>MacArthur it will start to become what it will be: a small neighborhood high school serving families who sent their kids to Mann Stoddert Key Eaton or Hyde Addison and on to Hardy. If neighborhood families hold the line - collective action, just like on banning cell phones from schools - we can do this. Send your kid to Hardy. Send them on to MacArthur.



Hardy has 14% at risk kids also going to MacArthur so add that to current numbers and you are close to 55% so over half the school.

Then siblings will follow. It’s going to take a long time to dilute that. It’s not going to be a few years because the school started with such high at risk numbers.

It will still be a title 1 school after this year I bet


“dilute”
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Anonymous wrote:They had to fill the early classes when Hardy kids had a choice of JR and chose JR. Starting next year, all of Hardy feeds to MacArthur. After a few years of Hardy—>MacArthur it will start to become what it will be: a small neighborhood high school serving families who sent their kids to Mann Stoddert Key Eaton or Hyde Addison and on to Hardy. If neighborhood families hold the line - collective action, just like on banning cell phones from schools - we can do this. Send your kid to Hardy. Send them on to MacArthur.



Hardy has 14% at risk kids also going to MacArthur so add that to current numbers and you are close to 55% so over half the school.

Then siblings will follow. It’s going to take a long time to dilute that. It’s not going to be a few years because the school started with such high at risk numbers.

It will still be a title 1 school after this year I bet



Trying to suppress a snarky comment but you do know that adding two groups with different % doesn’t work like that? Are you saying current MA is 41% at risk and then adding rising 9th grade at 14% to school next year = the whole school 55%???

It’s possible they will still keep 40%+ and Title I due to attrition of non-at-risk Hardy students going private or selective, but no way does the at risk go up so much to become more than half!


yes, such are the math skills of all the “high performing” W3 parents 😂
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Will also add that the majority of middle and UMC black families scattered throughout the rest of the city are not sending their kids to DCPS

If you don’t understand why then you don’t know enough of these families.


You're arguing that all the OOB MacArthur students are low SES black kids by ... claiming that UMC and MC black families seek out better schools than their IB?
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Will also add that the majority of middle and UMC black families scattered throughout the rest of the city are not sending their kids to DCPS

If you don’t understand why then you don’t know enough of these families.


You're arguing that all the OOB MacArthur students are low SES black kids by ... claiming that UMC and MC black families seek out better schools than their IB?


The MC and UMC families EOTP are sending their kids to charters or privates. They are not sending their kids to DCPS public schools
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EOTP Black mom here with kid in DCPS. Our HHI is in the top 5% of this city so…
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Will also add that the majority of middle and UMC black families scattered throughout the rest of the city are not sending their kids to DCPS

If you don’t understand why then you don’t know enough of these families.


You're arguing that all the OOB MacArthur students are low SES black kids by ... claiming that UMC and MC black families seek out better schools than their IB?


The MC and UMC families EOTP are sending their kids to charters or privates. They are not sending their kids to DCPS public schools


Where are you getting this? Loads of us send our kids to DCPS schools EOTP, mainly at the elementary level (Brent, Maury, SWS, Ludlow, Watkins etc). And more Ward 6 UMC families send their children to DC middle schools with each passing year, particularly Stuart Hobson. It's true that hardly any of us send our children to Eastern HS.
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Absolutely not. I live in the middle of the city (ward 2 school and ward 5 house) and I have many UMC black friends. Ivy grads, professors, etc. Mostly new residents, not generational DC people, who want a good enough school but don't want to send their kids to an overwhelming white school (to avoid racism).

Make more black friends. Race DOES NOT correlate with SES
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Absolutely not. I live in the middle of the city (ward 2 school and ward 5 house) and I have many UMC black friends. Ivy grads, professors, etc. Mostly new residents, not generational DC people, who want a good enough school but don't want to send their kids to an overwhelming white school (to avoid racism).

Make more black friends. Race DOES NOT correlate with SES


Well it does - on the bottom end. So, if you are poor/uneducated/no job in DC - overwhelming (99.9%) odds are you are black. (If we were in Appalachia - this set would be white!) But yes, on the upper end of course there are rich black people too.
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Absolutely not. I live in the middle of the city (ward 2 school and ward 5 house) and I have many UMC black friends. Ivy grads, professors, etc. Mostly new residents, not generational DC people, who want a good enough school but don't want to send their kids to an overwhelming white school (to avoid racism).

Make more black friends. Race DOES NOT correlate with SES


Well it does - on the bottom end. So, if you are poor/uneducated/no job in DC - overwhelming (99.9%) odds are you are black. (If we were in Appalachia - this set would be white!) But yes, on the upper end of course there are rich black people too.


Many of my black friends have mentioned that being a middle or upper class/highly educated black person in America leads to invisibility, often -- all of them have stories of white people just assuming that they are poor and uneducated. All of them.

Read "The Mamas" by Helena Andrews Dyer, a Washington post reporter who Iives in Bloomingdale for a book-length meditation on this.

There is a racism at play in those assumptions. Thinking about schools like Seaton and FS -- when you get to know the families there, you realize that more than half of the black population is middle class and above.
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Anonymous wrote:Most of the OOB is coming from JR feeder. Some from Oyster-Adams.


I don’t think so since the majority of OOB are black


Like there are no IB Black kids at JR. SMH.


Never said that and there might be a few but MacArthur is majority black and a title 1 school so majority of black kids are not IB for JR. Data is data and not anecdotal or just because you know a family here and there.


I’ve already asked this question earlier on this thread but no one answered - can you please advise what official resource I can see this information at about MacArthur, e.g the title 1 status and demographics?


NP. I think the "all black kids are OOB" claim for either school is ridiculous and I know of no data that OSSE/DCPS publishes that you could even infer that from. But with respect to the data we do have:

The just released SY23-24 enrollment audit (here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871)

JR: 556 black students (28%) and 557 at-risk students (28%)

MacArthur: 135 black students (57%) and 98 at-risk students (41%)

I don't know a ton about Title 1 eligibility but that at-risk percentage is in line with other schools with Title 1 status.

The only data we have on IB participation rates is from this document (here: https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary) from SY21-22, which is obviously missing MacArthur and definitely does not break down by race or at-risk status. But:

Deal: 78% of students IB (306 students OOB)

Hardy: 62% of students IB (294 students OOB)

Wilson: 64% of students IB (738 students OOB)


So data confirms that MacArthur is majority black and title 1 with that many at risk kids. It’s almost 1/2 at risk.

Sure there is no IB data yet but it’s pretty obvious that majority OOB are black and at risk since race correlates closely with SES in this town.

There is no way that MacArthur is going to be any kind of top performing school with such a large percentage of at risk kids who likely have siblings that will be pulled into the school. No way unless the school uses a large portion of its resources to support these kids.


I'm sorry, are you the same poster who said "data is data"? This is not data.

Race isn't such a surefire proxy for SES. For example, Shepherd Elementary, a Deal feeder, is 47% black, 7% at risk, and 64% IB.



Shepherd is the outlier in that the UMC black families congregate there but in the rest of the city, race does correlate with SES.

The only other small area of town that might be an outlier is Hillcrest.

But above are 2 small sections of the city. Everywhere else everyone knows race correlates with SES.


Absolutely not. I live in the middle of the city (ward 2 school and ward 5 house) and I have many UMC black friends. Ivy grads, professors, etc. Mostly new residents, not generational DC people, who want a good enough school but don't want to send their kids to an overwhelming white school (to avoid racism).

Make more black friends. Race DOES NOT correlate with SES


Well it does - on the bottom end. So, if you are poor/uneducated/no job in DC - overwhelming (99.9%) odds are you are black. (If we were in Appalachia - this set would be white!) But yes, on the upper end of course there are rich black people too.


Many of my black friends have mentioned that being a middle or upper class/highly educated black person in America leads to invisibility, often -- all of them have stories of white people just assuming that they are poor and uneducated. All of them.

Read "The Mamas" by Helena Andrews Dyer, a Washington post reporter who Iives in Bloomingdale for a book-length meditation on this.

There is a racism at play in those assumptions. Thinking about schools like Seaton and FS -- when you get to know the families there, you realize that more than half of the black population is middle class and above.


+1. I get tons of scorn heaped on me here when I point out that our “bad” DCPS actually has a solid core of MC black students doing fine. That said there is definitely a thing of bougie black people who wouldn’t send their kid to the school I send my white kid to. I think there is an amount of privilege at play for me in that I don’t have to feel the same anxiety about education.
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