Budget- CE recommended budget $55.7M less

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't cry bloody murder over $60 million and say $5 million is "nominal".

Cutting the va is not reasonable.

They will do it eventually

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40,000,000 divided by 26,000 employees works out to around $1600 per employee as an average.

My best guess is that MCPS will muddle through it and then fight tooth and nail against pay increases for teachers. I got tired of teaching in FCPS,MD watching us get a pay increase but then also having our share of insurance go up and cancel out any take home salary increase. It sucked and was demoralizing for newer staff who can barely make it in any school system due to low pay and poor support.

Adjusted for inflation pay at each step goes down every year. Hard to recommend teaching for college graduates based on the economics of this area and college costs now.

Teachers get paid salaries competitive with nurses, mid-level health care providers, and most public sector jobs.

By and large, the problem isn't pay- it is workload.

Most of those jobs get overtime pay.

Federal jobs? No. Mid-level health care providers? No. Professional jobs rarely get overtime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't cry bloody murder over $60 million and say $5 million is "nominal".

Cutting the va is not reasonable.

Spending $5M a year to poorly educate a very small number of kids is not reasonable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't cry bloody murder over $60 million and say $5 million is "nominal".

Cutting the va is not reasonable.

They will do it eventually

No, they will not. They didn’t despite what you think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't cry bloody murder over $60 million and say $5 million is "nominal".

Cutting the va is not reasonable.

Spending $5M a year to poorly educate a very small number of kids is not reasonable.

Right, in person costs more so let’s shut down a few schools and that will solve the shortfall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't cry bloody murder over $60 million and say $5 million is "nominal".

Cutting the va is not reasonable.

Spending $5M a year to poorly educate a very small number of kids is not reasonable.

Right, in person costs more so let’s shut down a few schools and that will solve the shortfall.

Let's put it out for a referendum: close schools or close VA. What do you think would win?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't cry bloody murder over $60 million and say $5 million is "nominal".

Cutting the va is not reasonable.

Spending $5M a year to poorly educate a very small number of kids is not reasonable.

Right, in person costs more so let’s shut down a few schools and that will solve the shortfall.

Let's put it out for a referendum: close schools or close VA. What do you think would win?

There are multiple low performing schools. Makes sense to close them. Huge cost savings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't cry bloody murder over $60 million and say $5 million is "nominal".

Cutting the va is not reasonable.

Spending $5M a year to poorly educate a very small number of kids is not reasonable.

Right, in person costs more so let’s shut down a few schools and that will solve the shortfall.

Let's put it out for a referendum: close schools or close VA. What do you think would win?

There are multiple low performing schools. Makes sense to close them. Huge cost savings.

You should definitely propose that to the BoE as the alternative to closing VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40,000,000 divided by 26,000 employees works out to around $1600 per employee as an average.

My best guess is that MCPS will muddle through it and then fight tooth and nail against pay increases for teachers. I got tired of teaching in FCPS,MD watching us get a pay increase but then also having our share of insurance go up and cancel out any take home salary increase. It sucked and was demoralizing for newer staff who can barely make it in any school system due to low pay and poor support.

Adjusted for inflation pay at each step goes down every year. Hard to recommend teaching for college graduates based on the economics of this area and college costs now.

Teachers get paid salaries competitive with nurses, mid-level health care providers, and most public sector jobs.

By and large, the problem isn't pay- it is workload.

Exactly. How many hours are nurses putting in outside of work hours? Teaching is the one job where you need to work at home so that you work to do when you’re at work. It’s even worse now that we don’t have the financial resources for instructional materials and increased demands on our time that have nothing to do with planning, grading and reflecting on actual teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40,000,000 divided by 26,000 employees works out to around $1600 per employee as an average.

My best guess is that MCPS will muddle through it and then fight tooth and nail against pay increases for teachers. I got tired of teaching in FCPS,MD watching us get a pay increase but then also having our share of insurance go up and cancel out any take home salary increase. It sucked and was demoralizing for newer staff who can barely make it in any school system due to low pay and poor support.

Adjusted for inflation pay at each step goes down every year. Hard to recommend teaching for college graduates based on the economics of this area and college costs now.

Teachers get paid salaries competitive with nurses, mid-level health care providers, and most public sector jobs.

By and large, the problem isn't pay- it is workload.

Exactly. How many hours are nurses putting in outside of work hours? Teaching is the one job where you need to work at home so that you work to do when you’re at work. It’s even worse now that we don’t have the financial resources for instructional materials and increased demands on our time that have nothing to do with planning, grading and reflecting on actual teaching.

Nurses are paid hourly and work year round. Teachers are salaried workers and they are paid for 10 months of the year. Btw I don't think it's a good look to go after HCW.

I think the issues you are describing are mostly management problems and those need to be solved, but increasing pay (which happens every year and which I support) is not going to solve them by itself.

The health insurance issue is a management issue as well and is why I hear teachers complaining they don't even have desks for their students. This is why there is a budget freeze and it directly impacts working conditions. That's on MCPS central staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40,000,000 divided by 26,000 employees works out to around $1600 per employee as an average.

My best guess is that MCPS will muddle through it and then fight tooth and nail against pay increases for teachers. I got tired of teaching in FCPS,MD watching us get a pay increase but then also having our share of insurance go up and cancel out any take home salary increase. It sucked and was demoralizing for newer staff who can barely make it in any school system due to low pay and poor support.

Adjusted for inflation pay at each step goes down every year. Hard to recommend teaching for college graduates based on the economics of this area and college costs now.

Teachers get paid salaries competitive with nurses, mid-level health care providers, and most public sector jobs.

By and large, the problem isn't pay- it is workload.

Exactly. How many hours are nurses putting in outside of work hours? Teaching is the one job where you need to work at home so that you work to do when you’re at work. It’s even worse now that we don’t have the financial resources for instructional materials and increased demands on our time that have nothing to do with planning, grading and reflecting on actual teaching.

Nurses are paid hourly and work year round. Teachers are salaried workers and they are paid for 10 months of the year. Btw I don't think it's a good look to go after HCW.

I think the issues you are describing are mostly management problems and those need to be solved, but increasing pay (which happens every year and which I support) is not going to solve them by itself.

The health insurance issue is a management issue as well and is why I hear teachers complaining they don't even have desks for their students. This is why there is a budget freeze and it directly impacts working conditions. That's on MCPS central staff.

You just said yourself you're not a teacher, so don't assume anything about the workload or what kind of problems they are until you've done the job. No one is commenting about your job and pretending to have a clue what the day to day is like for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40,000,000 divided by 26,000 employees works out to around $1600 per employee as an average.

My best guess is that MCPS will muddle through it and then fight tooth and nail against pay increases for teachers. I got tired of teaching in FCPS,MD watching us get a pay increase but then also having our share of insurance go up and cancel out any take home salary increase. It sucked and was demoralizing for newer staff who can barely make it in any school system due to low pay and poor support.

Adjusted for inflation pay at each step goes down every year. Hard to recommend teaching for college graduates based on the economics of this area and college costs now.

Teachers get paid salaries competitive with nurses, mid-level health care providers, and most public sector jobs.

By and large, the problem isn't pay- it is workload.

Exactly. How many hours are nurses putting in outside of work hours? Teaching is the one job where you need to work at home so that you work to do when you’re at work. It’s even worse now that we don’t have the financial resources for instructional materials and increased demands on our time that have nothing to do with planning, grading and reflecting on actual teaching.

Nurses are paid hourly and work year round. Teachers are salaried workers and they are paid for 10 months of the year. Btw I don't think it's a good look to go after HCW.

I think the issues you are describing are mostly management problems and those need to be solved, but increasing pay (which happens every year and which I support) is not going to solve them by itself.

The health insurance issue is a management issue as well and is why I hear teachers complaining they don't even have desks for their students. This is why there is a budget freeze and it directly impacts working conditions. That's on MCPS central staff.

You just said yourself you're not a teacher, so don't assume anything about the workload or what kind of problems they are until you've done the job. No one is commenting about your job and pretending to have a clue what the day to day is like for you.

I literally said nothing about teacher's workload, nor am I pretending to know what it is like to be a teacher, I am aware that it is hard, and I know many teachers personally. Many of them are staying for the money, not despite it.

I am a taxpayer and a voter. And plenty of people say stuff about my job, mostly unkind things.

[Anonymous]

More money would help because right now as a teacher I don’t feel valued. And I’m not sure who thought it was a good idea to have classes of 30+ students that include special ed kids, ESOl kids, regular kids, twice exceptional kids, etc. It is impossible to meet everyone’s needs or to teach at a level that works for most kids. It is a frustrating experience

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40,000,000 divided by 26,000 employees works out to around $1600 per employee as an average.

My best guess is that MCPS will muddle through it and then fight tooth and nail against pay increases for teachers. I got tired of teaching in FCPS,MD watching us get a pay increase but then also having our share of insurance go up and cancel out any take home salary increase. It sucked and was demoralizing for newer staff who can barely make it in any school system due to low pay and poor support.

Adjusted for inflation pay at each step goes down every year. Hard to recommend teaching for college graduates based on the economics of this area and college costs now.

Teachers get paid salaries competitive with nurses, mid-level health care providers, and most public sector jobs.

By and large, the problem isn't pay- it is workload.

Exactly. How many hours are nurses putting in outside of work hours? Teaching is the one job where you need to work at home so that you work to do when you’re at work. It’s even worse now that we don’t have the financial resources for instructional materials and increased demands on our time that have nothing to do with planning, grading and reflecting on actual teaching.

Nurses are paid hourly and work year round. Teachers are salaried workers and they are paid for 10 months of the year. Btw I don't think it's a good look to go after HCW.

I think the issues you are describing are mostly management problems and those need to be solved, but increasing pay (which happens every year and which I support) is not going to solve them by itself.

The health insurance issue is a management issue as well and is why I hear teachers complaining they don't even have desks for their students. This is why there is a budget freeze and it directly impacts working conditions. That's on MCPS central staff.

You just said yourself you're not a teacher, so don't assume anything about the workload or what kind of problems they are until you've done the job. No one is commenting about your job and pretending to have a clue what the day to day is like for you.

I literally said nothing about teacher's workload, nor am I pretending to know what it is like to be a teacher, I am aware that it is hard, and I know many teachers personally. Many of them are staying for the money, not despite it.

I am a taxpayer and a voter. And plenty of people say stuff about my job, mostly unkind things.

DP but you did try to pretend to know “what kinds” of problems teachers face. You don’t know. Having a few so-called teacher friends doesn’t mean you know anything. I have surgeon friends and I’m not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of hospitals because I hear their complaints about work. So happy to hear you pay taxes! No one cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40,000,000 divided by 26,000 employees works out to around $1600 per employee as an average.

My best guess is that MCPS will muddle through it and then fight tooth and nail against pay increases for teachers. I got tired of teaching in FCPS,MD watching us get a pay increase but then also having our share of insurance go up and cancel out any take home salary increase. It sucked and was demoralizing for newer staff who can barely make it in any school system due to low pay and poor support.

Adjusted for inflation pay at each step goes down every year. Hard to recommend teaching for college graduates based on the economics of this area and college costs now.

Teachers get paid salaries competitive with nurses, mid-level health care providers, and most public sector jobs.

By and large, the problem isn't pay- it is workload.

Exactly. How many hours are nurses putting in outside of work hours? Teaching is the one job where you need to work at home so that you work to do when you’re at work. It’s even worse now that we don’t have the financial resources for instructional materials and increased demands on our time that have nothing to do with planning, grading and reflecting on actual teaching.

I'm sure some put in unpaid overtime, but many like my kid's teachers are out several days to a week each month.