Do EVs really save you money?

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Anonymous wrote:EVs are largely a scam. Compared to a hybrid, an EV is worse for the environment (from pollution during battery production and reduced vehicle lifespan even with battery replacements) and costs more money (vehicle price, insurance premiums, cost of electricity, rapid depreciation, etc)

None of this is actually true.

All of it is true. In some areas of the country, depending on gas prices and home electricity prices, charging is more expensive than gas. An ICE vehicle will last 2-3x as long as an EV because replacing the battery on an older EV costs more than the vehicle is worth.

Charging to full is not even close to more expensive than a full tank of gas. In fact, filling my gas tank is 10x more expensive than the rare time I had to charge to full at a rest stop. The one time we did that we stared that number in utter disbelief that anyone would buy a gas car again. But in reality, we programed the car to charge at home in off peak night hours or when our solar is overproducing.

Look at what percentage of new car purchases are EV in the US and then you can suspend your disbelief. It has never broken 10%. Most people wouldn’t consider them a replacement for a gas/hybrid vehicle.

If only the world was as small as the us. Except… it’s not. Over 80% of new cars sold in Norway are ev’s. China will be at 20% by 2025. The us is in deep s&$t if it does not keep up.

And most people did not think a car would be replacement for a horse and cart in the early 1900’s. Enjoy your horse and buggy grandma.

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Anonymous wrote:EVs are largely a scam. Compared to a hybrid, an EV is worse for the environment (from pollution during battery production and reduced vehicle lifespan even with battery replacements) and costs more money (vehicle price, insurance premiums, cost of electricity, rapid depreciation, etc)

None of this is actually true.

All of it is true. In some areas of the country, depending on gas prices and home electricity prices, charging is more expensive than gas. An ICE vehicle will last 2-3x as long as an EV because replacing the battery on an older EV costs more than the vehicle is worth.

Charging to full is not even close to more expensive than a full tank of gas. In fact, filling my gas tank is 10x more expensive than the rare time I had to charge to full at a rest stop. The one time we did that we stared that number in utter disbelief that anyone would buy a gas car again. But in reality, we programed the car to charge at home in off peak night hours or when our solar is overproducing.

Look at what percentage of new car purchases are EV in the US and then you can suspend your disbelief. It has never broken 10%. Most people wouldn’t consider them a replacement for a gas/hybrid vehicle.

If only the world was as small as the us. Except… it’s not. Over 80% of new cars sold in Norway are ev’s. China will be at 20% by 2025. The us is in deep s&$t if it does not keep up.

And most people did not think a car would be replacement for a horse and cart in the early 1900’s. Enjoy your horse and buggy grandma.

Government subsidies and charging infrastructure vary across the world. You speak like a child. Why exactly is the US in trouble? Because less than 10% of new vehicles sold here are EVs?

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Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

[Anonymous]

Probably doesn't save anything. But with 2 cars one is an EV and never having to gas it up is so lovely. We use it for all errands and DH commute. And take the subaru for trips.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

EVs need routine maintenance. Brakes, tires, alignment, etc. It doesn’t seem that different to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

EVs need routine maintenance. Brakes, tires, alignment, etc. It doesn’t seem that different to me.

If you don’t think taking the entire internal combustion engine out of a car has no impact on maintenance and repair costs of the car then I don’t know what to say to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

EVs need routine maintenance. Brakes, tires, alignment, etc. It doesn’t seem that different to me.

If you don’t think taking the entire internal combustion engine out of a car has no impact on maintenance and repair costs of the car then I don’t know what to say to you.

What an EV does:
- eliminates cheap oil changes
- replaces that with a deteriorating enormous battery, costing $10k-20k to replace within the vehicle lifespan

What an improvement!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

EVs need routine maintenance. Brakes, tires, alignment, etc. It doesn’t seem that different to me.

If you don’t think taking the entire internal combustion engine out of a car has no impact on maintenance and repair costs of the car then I don’t know what to say to you.

What an EV does:
- eliminates cheap oil changes
- replaces that with a deteriorating enormous battery, costing $10k-20k to replace within the vehicle lifespan

What an improvement!

The batteries can now last 200k + miles. Most people will get a new car before needing a new battery.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

EVs need routine maintenance. Brakes, tires, alignment, etc. It doesn’t seem that different to me.

If you don’t think taking the entire internal combustion engine out of a car has no impact on maintenance and repair costs of the car then I don’t know what to say to you.

What an EV does:
- eliminates cheap oil changes
- replaces that with a deteriorating enormous battery, costing $10k-20k to replace within the vehicle lifespan

What an improvement!

The batteries can now last 200k + miles. Most people will get a new car before needing a new battery.

That is wishful thinking and has not been proven. Do you really believe this?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

EVs need routine maintenance. Brakes, tires, alignment, etc. It doesn’t seem that different to me.

If you don’t think taking the entire internal combustion engine out of a car has no impact on maintenance and repair costs of the car then I don’t know what to say to you.

What an EV does:
- eliminates cheap oil changes
- replaces that with a deteriorating enormous battery, costing $10k-20k to replace within the vehicle lifespan

What an improvement!

The batteries can now last 200k + miles. Most people will get a new car before needing a new battery.

If you believe this, I’d like to also sell you a full self driving package haha.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people who are confidently stating a lot of anti-EV “facts” and “math” that clearly don’t have a f’ing clue.

Hybrids are probably the better solution for most people until charging infrastructure improves and EV production becomes less damaging for the environment.

Or hybrids are worse than EVs because you have all the maintenance and repair costs of an ICE without the driving fun of an EV.

How much are you spending on maintenance and repair? Serious question because my ICE requires a perhaps $150-300 / year unless new brakes or tires are needed.

An EV is zero routine maintenance and much less concern about something mechanical going wrong.

I mean yes, maybe it’s reasonable to get a hybrid if you take a couple long road trips a year bit maybe it’s also reasonable to consider that buying a hybrid is costing you hundreds of dollars in maintenance and fuel costs just to avoid an extra 20 mins at a rest stop on the way. Heck even if you rented for those trips you’d probably save money.

EVs need routine maintenance. Brakes, tires, alignment, etc. It doesn’t seem that different to me.

If you don’t think taking the entire internal combustion engine out of a car has no impact on maintenance and repair costs of the car then I don’t know what to say to you.

What an EV does:
- eliminates cheap oil changes
- replaces that with a deteriorating enormous battery, costing $10k-20k to replace within the vehicle lifespan

What an improvement!

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This is not a thing. Teslas are 10-12 years old now and there is no huge wave of battery replacements that is occurring.

And if you’ve never spent any money on engine repair or maintenance in 10-12 years then you’ve either lying or incredibly lucky and I can’t wait til your timing belt gives out.