Regular classes vs AAP

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Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

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I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

[Anonymous]

In the end your child will be fine either way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

No, it was called tracking and is inequitable. Most of the impoverished and new arrivals at our Title 1 school would end up in the lower groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

No, it was called tracking and is inequitable. Most of the impoverished and new arrivals at our Title 1 school would end up in the lower groups.

Why is grouping by ability inequitable when you are grouping lower performing students together but not inequitable when you are grouping higher performing students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

No, it was called tracking and is inequitable. Most of the impoverished and new arrivals at our Title 1 school would end up in the lower groups.

You mean to tell me that you believe that grouping kids by ability is problematic? That allowing Teachers to focus on a group of kids at the same general level and focus their attention on each group is problematic? Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? How is placing kids in a classroom with 5 different levels, forcing the Teacher to divide their time and attention between 5 different groups, a good idea? The Teacher has to spend most of their time with the kids who are struggling so they kids who are ahead or are on level are left to do their own work with little to no guidance.

Is that fair because the kids who are on level or ahead get bored and end up slowing down so that the kids who are below grade level can catch them?

All kids deserve an education. We need to stop sacrificing kids who are on grade level or ahead in the name of maintaining optics that make people happy. The impoverished kids at any school need to be in classes that help them get to grade level without holding back the kids on grade level. Inclusion has not worked to close the education gap, it has only gotten larger. The education gap was increasing before COVID, COVID made it worse, but inclusion was failing before COVID. So we need to try something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

No, it was called tracking and is inequitable. Most of the impoverished and new arrivals at our Title 1 school would end up in the lower groups.

You mean to tell me that you believe that grouping kids by ability is problematic? That allowing Teachers to focus on a group of kids at the same general level and focus their attention on each group is problematic? Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? How is placing kids in a classroom with 5 different levels, forcing the Teacher to divide their time and attention between 5 different groups, a good idea? The Teacher has to spend most of their time with the kids who are struggling so they kids who are ahead or are on level are left to do their own work with little to no guidance.

Is that fair because the kids who are on level or ahead get bored and end up slowing down so that the kids who are below grade level can catch them?

All kids deserve an education. We need to stop sacrificing kids who are on grade level or ahead in the name of maintaining optics that make people happy. The impoverished kids at any school need to be in classes that help them get to grade level without holding back the kids on grade level. Inclusion has not worked to close the education gap, it has only gotten larger. The education gap was increasing before COVID, COVID made it worse, but inclusion was failing before COVID. So we need to try something else.

I don’t think you understand. We need to take crates away from tall kids so short kids can see the baseball game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

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[Anonymous]

The gifted kids are still losing right now. They should be doing gifted activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

But the reason the GT program was changed to the Advanced Academic program was because there were few minorities. The bar was lowered on the tests to 130ish to allow for more minorities to gain access. However, it backfired when UMC families began to use it for status or to flee their rapidly increasing FARMs ES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

No, it was called tracking and is inequitable. Most of the impoverished and new arrivals at our Title 1 school would end up in the lower groups.

You mean to tell me that you believe that grouping kids by ability is problematic? That allowing Teachers to focus on a group of kids at the same general level and focus their attention on each group is problematic? Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? How is placing kids in a classroom with 5 different levels, forcing the Teacher to divide their time and attention between 5 different groups, a good idea? The Teacher has to spend most of their time with the kids who are struggling so they kids who are ahead or are on level are left to do their own work with little to no guidance.

Is that fair because the kids who are on level or ahead get bored and end up slowing down so that the kids who are below grade level can catch them?

All kids deserve an education. We need to stop sacrificing kids who are on grade level or ahead in the name of maintaining optics that make people happy. The impoverished kids at any school need to be in classes that help them get to grade level without holding back the kids on grade level. Inclusion has not worked to close the education gap, it has only gotten larger. The education gap was increasing before COVID, COVID made it worse, but inclusion was failing before COVID. So we need to try something else.

I don’t think you understand. We need to take crates away from tall kids so short kids can see the baseball game.

The inclusive classroom isn’t working. The kids who start behind are continuing to fall behind. Maintaining this system is only hurting the kids who are on or ahead of grade level. It has not helped the kids who started behind. If you are so blind as to to see that the current paradigm is not doing anything to help the kids who start behind then I don’t know what to say to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

No, it was called tracking and is inequitable. Most of the impoverished and new arrivals at our Title 1 school would end up in the lower groups.

You mean to tell me that you believe that grouping kids by ability is problematic? That allowing Teachers to focus on a group of kids at the same general level and focus their attention on each group is problematic? Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? How is placing kids in a classroom with 5 different levels, forcing the Teacher to divide their time and attention between 5 different groups, a good idea? The Teacher has to spend most of their time with the kids who are struggling so they kids who are ahead or are on level are left to do their own work with little to no guidance.

Is that fair because the kids who are on level or ahead get bored and end up slowing down so that the kids who are below grade level can catch them?

All kids deserve an education. We need to stop sacrificing kids who are on grade level or ahead in the name of maintaining optics that make people happy. The impoverished kids at any school need to be in classes that help them get to grade level without holding back the kids on grade level. Inclusion has not worked to close the education gap, it has only gotten larger. The education gap was increasing before COVID, COVID made it worse, but inclusion was failing before COVID. So we need to try something else.

I don’t think you understand. We need to take crates away from tall kids so short kids can see the baseball game.

The inclusive classroom isn’t working. The kids who start behind are continuing to fall behind. Maintaining this system is only hurting the kids who are on or ahead of grade level. It has not helped the kids who started behind. If you are so blind as to to see that the current paradigm is not doing anything to help the kids who start behind then I don’t know what to say to you.

That’s the point. Everyone needs to be the same outcome even if the outcome is not desirable. This is the way. Eventually though, the system will ultimately phase out those archaic grades where everyone can be equal.

[Anonymous]

^^ Or be like DC where principals have to host pizza parties and field trips to get kids to come to school.

And you wonder why we parents in crappy schools move or try to get our kids into AAP, a better learning environment where kids want to learn and other parents care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the AAP hate absolutely tells me it’s the right answer for my AAP kid.

Imagine trying to claim FCPS is pumping millions and millions of dollars and logistics challenges, and overhead into an advanced learning infrastructure that is really just some extra math….

Love this forum.

DP. FCPS doesn't spend millions on AAP but I agree that the hostility towards academically gifted kids makes AAP the right place for some kids to escape to, including mine.

The only reason there is hostility towards AAP kids is because this system exists, PP. If there wasn't such a huge differentiation, it it wasn't such a competitive process, there wouldn't be any hate. There was absolutely no hatred for children in the gifted program and children who were grouped into different language arts and math programs according to ability in the school system we moved here from. AAP is very different.

+1
I grew up in FCPS when there was an actual GT program - very tiny and very selective. No one was resentful of the few kids who were chosen to participate because it was obvious they *needed* a gifted learning environment. All the rest of the kids - from extremely bright to bright to average to below average - were in flexible groupings depending on their abilities. It worked for everyone and there was no HUGE group of yellow-bellied Sneetches vs another HUGE group of non-yellow-bellied Sneetches.

Our FCPS school is doing this - they call it the cluster model - and most families that were eligible to leave for the AAP center left to go there, and it is much better without an AAP program (there is still accelerated math, kids are grouped according to ability). I think all schools should go back to this way of doing things.

No, it was called tracking and is inequitable. Most of the impoverished and new arrivals at our Title 1 school would end up in the lower groups.

You mean to tell me that you believe that grouping kids by ability is problematic? That allowing Teachers to focus on a group of kids at the same general level and focus their attention on each group is problematic? Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? How is placing kids in a classroom with 5 different levels, forcing the Teacher to divide their time and attention between 5 different groups, a good idea? The Teacher has to spend most of their time with the kids who are struggling so they kids who are ahead or are on level are left to do their own work with little to no guidance.

Is that fair because the kids who are on level or ahead get bored and end up slowing down so that the kids who are below grade level can catch them?

All kids deserve an education. We need to stop sacrificing kids who are on grade level or ahead in the name of maintaining optics that make people happy. The impoverished kids at any school need to be in classes that help them get to grade level without holding back the kids on grade level. Inclusion has not worked to close the education gap, it has only gotten larger. The education gap was increasing before COVID, COVID made it worse, but inclusion was failing before COVID. So we need to try something else.

I don’t think you understand. We need to take crates away from tall kids so short kids can see the baseball game.

The inclusive classroom isn’t working. The kids who start behind are continuing to fall behind. Maintaining this system is only hurting the kids who are on or ahead of grade level. It has not helped the kids who started behind. If you are so blind as to to see that the current paradigm is not doing anything to help the kids who start behind then I don’t know what to say to you.

Right, so why is it that we are separating out so-called advanced kids? Please explain to me how that benefits the kids who are behind??

It only benefits a handful of minority kids who are truly advanced and mostly upper middle class white and asian families who can afford tutoring and test prep. That's literally it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ Or be like DC where principals have to host pizza parties and field trips to get kids to come to school.

And you wonder why we parents in crappy schools move or try to get our kids into AAP, a better learning environment where kids want to learn and other parents care.

These people are the ones who in other school districts send their kids to private. It's not fair to general ed kids that you get your own separate private school inside FCPS.