Oakton high school overdose

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly none of the virtuous "I never tried drugs. My children will never do drugs." people did not watch the video about Cayden. That's what his parents thought too, PPs. It could happen to ANYONE.


It’s not about being virtuous, but rather wondering why so many kids are willing to take this risk today. What has changed?

Social Media and cell phones. It's much easier to communicate with people now than it was when you were a teenager.


Pretty much all risky behavior is way down among teens compared to prior generations since the late 1990s -- drug use, drinking, sex etc.
The increase in opioid overdoses is because fentanyl has severe consequences from a couple of milligrams and can be easily laced into anything. It's extraordinarily hard to prevent trafficking because it's so tiny--though there have been some major busts of late. I've seen advice that all parents should just keep Narcan in their first aid kits in case their kids or anyone else they encounter accidentally overdoses on any opioid. The nasal spray can be bought over the counter I believe and is harmless if someone does not have opioids in their system--so you don't have to worry if you don't know for sure the cause.
https://health.choc.org/what-parents-should-know-about-over-the-counter-naloxone-narcan-nasal-spray/

I took first aid training recently and this was they told us, too. Also, Fairfax County offers free training and a free Revive kit that includes Narcan.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/community-services-board/heroin-opioids/revive
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Anonymous wrote:They should make watching that video mandatory in schools. Totally heartbreaking for the family.


I agree! Make it real for kids and families...because it is real.


Yes -- but it needs to come from the home too.
We had a sleepover last night -- 3 8th graders, and when I brought this up at breakfast, all three immediately said their parents had been talking about this with them. And they all were like -- why would you take something? That's the problem, they said. Just don't start and you don't have to worry!
I told them that they need to look out for each other - in the video, they talk about how in the investigation they learned that multiple people knew he was taking pills. I told these boys that if any one of them had a stupid moment and does something like this, they need to tell someone!

I think they got it? Time will tell...
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Anonymous wrote:Clearly none of the virtuous "I never tried drugs. My children will never do drugs." people did not watch the video about Cayden. That's what his parents thought too, PPs. It could happen to ANYONE.


I know they say DARE didn't work, but I think it worked on me. Never tried drugs, nor did my friend group, nor my DH.
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Anonymous wrote:Why did he take a Percocet to begin with? That’s the question.

Really? You *never* tried any drugs to see how they would make you feel?


DP, I am 48 and I never tried any drugs, not even mj.. Never had anastesia either. People who try drugs are idiots.


I'd love to know how many of your friends and family members are idiots, then.


None. Husband never tried drugs. We raised two kids who didn't try drugs either. My dad is smoking tobacco, but other than that neither grandparents did drugs.


Well then you're the perfect parent with perfect children. How was church this morning?


You are a complete idiot and I am really sorry for your kids. I don't go to church as I was raised in atheist country. The sad thing that you don't understand the issue and justify kids experimenting with. drugs. I hope you will not be the next parent in the video.


You didn't even grow up in this country. So that alone tells me that you know nothing about what it is like to be in high school in the USA. I tried marijuana all of one time in college and didn't like how it made me fell, so I never tried any drug ever again. Stop making ridiculous assumptions about me just because I am being realistic. You asked why this kid would try Percocet? The answer is simply because (1) he was curious and (2) peer pressure. If you think your children will never be exposed to either of those two things, then I have a bridge to sell you...


You don’t know that for sure. I find it odd that he was hanging out with college kids home from winter break while he was in high school. That to me is a red flag - running with an older crowd?


Are you serious?? They went to the same high school. I was friends with kids older and younger than me in high school. We would absolutely hang out with each other over winter break. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that. Again, you appear to know nothing about American high school culture.


I wrote the post you just replied to, but I’m not the same poster who replied earlier about not being from this culture.

I do think it’s odd to have older friends who are off at college come back to hang out with high schoolers. And it is odd to take a Percocet from one of them.
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Anonymous wrote:Why did he take a Percocet to begin with? That’s the question.

Really? You *never* tried any drugs to see how they would make you feel?


DP, I am 48 and I never tried any drugs, not even mj.. Never had anastesia either. People who try drugs are idiots.


I'd love to know how many of your friends and family members are idiots, then.


None. Husband never tried drugs. We raised two kids who didn't try drugs either. My dad is smoking tobacco, but other than that neither grandparents did drugs.


Well then you're the perfect parent with perfect children. How was church this morning?


You are a complete idiot and I am really sorry for your kids. I don't go to church as I was raised in atheist country. The sad thing that you don't understand the issue and justify kids experimenting with. drugs. I hope you will not be the next parent in the video.


You didn't even grow up in this country. So that alone tells me that you know nothing about what it is like to be in high school in the USA. I tried marijuana all of one time in college and didn't like how it made me fell, so I never tried any drug ever again. Stop making ridiculous assumptions about me just because I am being realistic. You asked why this kid would try Percocet? The answer is simply because (1) he was curious and (2) peer pressure. If you think your children will never be exposed to either of those two things, then I have a bridge to sell you...


You don’t know that for sure. I find it odd that he was hanging out with college kids home from winter break while he was in high school. That to me is a red flag - running with an older crowd?


Are you serious?? They went to the same high school. I was friends with kids older and younger than me in high school. We would absolutely hang out with each other over winter break. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that. Again, you appear to know nothing about American high school culture.


Why are you so angry? Not all kids take pills.
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Anonymous wrote:Why did he take a Percocet to begin with? That’s the question.

Really? You *never* tried any drugs to see how they would make you feel?


DP, I am 48 and I never tried any drugs, not even mj.. Never had anastesia either. People who try drugs are idiots.


I'd love to know how many of your friends and family members are idiots, then.


None. Husband never tried drugs. We raised two kids who didn't try drugs either. My dad is smoking tobacco, but other than that neither grandparents did drugs.


Well then you're the perfect parent with perfect children. How was church this morning?


You are a complete idiot and I am really sorry for your kids. I don't go to church as I was raised in atheist country. The sad thing that you don't understand the issue and justify kids experimenting with. drugs. I hope you will not be the next parent in the video.


You didn't even grow up in this country. So that alone tells me that you know nothing about what it is like to be in high school in the USA. I tried marijuana all of one time in college and didn't like how it made me fell, so I never tried any drug ever again. Stop making ridiculous assumptions about me just because I am being realistic. You asked why this kid would try Percocet? The answer is simply because (1) he was curious and (2) peer pressure. If you think your children will never be exposed to either of those two things, then I have a bridge to sell you...


You don’t know that for sure. I find it odd that he was hanging out with college kids home from winter break while he was in high school. That to me is a red flag - running with an older crowd?


Are you serious?? They went to the same high school. I was friends with kids older and younger than me in high school. We would absolutely hang out with each other over winter break. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that. Again, you appear to know nothing about American high school culture.


I wrote the post you just replied to, but I’m not the same poster who replied earlier about not being from this culture.

I do think it’s odd to have older friends who are off at college come back to hang out with high schoolers. And it is odd to take a Percocet from one of them.


I’ll ignore the pill part for a moment but you think it’s odd to hang out with someone a year younger or older? I had friends that were older and we hung out and I went to visit them at college for the weekend when I was a senior in HS. I had friends a grade lower who I definitely saw when I was home from college. None of this is odd. You don’t stop being friends the second you leave and I imagine it’s easier to stay in touch with cells and social media now.
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Anonymous wrote:Why did he take a Percocet to begin with? That’s the question.

Really? You *never* tried any drugs to see how they would make you feel?


DP, I am 48 and I never tried any drugs, not even mj.. Never had anastesia either. People who try drugs are idiots.


I'd love to know how many of your friends and family members are idiots, then.


None. Husband never tried drugs. We raised two kids who didn't try drugs either. My dad is smoking tobacco, but other than that neither grandparents did drugs.


Well then you're the perfect parent with perfect children. How was church this morning?


You are a complete idiot and I am really sorry for your kids. I don't go to church as I was raised in atheist country. The sad thing that you don't understand the issue and justify kids experimenting with. drugs. I hope you will not be the next parent in the video.


You didn't even grow up in this country. So that alone tells me that you know nothing about what it is like to be in high school in the USA. I tried marijuana all of one time in college and didn't like how it made me fell, so I never tried any drug ever again. Stop making ridiculous assumptions about me just because I am being realistic. You asked why this kid would try Percocet? The answer is simply because (1) he was curious and (2) peer pressure. If you think your children will never be exposed to either of those two things, then I have a bridge to sell you...


You don’t know that for sure. I find it odd that he was hanging out with college kids home from winter break while he was in high school. That to me is a red flag - running with an older crowd?


Are you serious?? They went to the same high school. I was friends with kids older and younger than me in high school. We would absolutely hang out with each other over winter break. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that. Again, you appear to know nothing about American high school culture.


I wrote the post you just replied to, but I’m not the same poster who replied earlier about not being from this culture.

I do think it’s odd to have older friends who are off at college come back to hang out with high schoolers. And it is odd to take a Percocet from one of them.


I’ll ignore the pill part for a moment but you think it’s odd to hang out with someone a year younger or older? I had friends that were older and we hung out and I went to visit them at college for the weekend when I was a senior in HS. I had friends a grade lower who I definitely saw when I was home from college. None of this is odd. You don’t stop being friends the second you leave and I imagine it’s easier to stay in touch with cells and social media now.


I dont think it's that common to have friends outside your year. Not unheard of, but not common.
I also never visited any of my same-year HS friends at their colleges.
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Anonymous wrote:Why did he take a Percocet to begin with? That’s the question.

Really? You *never* tried any drugs to see how they would make you feel?


DP, I am 48 and I never tried any drugs, not even mj.. Never had anastesia either. People who try drugs are idiots.


I'd love to know how many of your friends and family members are idiots, then.


None. Husband never tried drugs. We raised two kids who didn't try drugs either. My dad is smoking tobacco, but other than that neither grandparents did drugs.


Well then you're the perfect parent with perfect children. How was church this morning?


You are a complete idiot and I am really sorry for your kids. I don't go to church as I was raised in atheist country. The sad thing that you don't understand the issue and justify kids experimenting with. drugs. I hope you will not be the next parent in the video.


You didn't even grow up in this country. So that alone tells me that you know nothing about what it is like to be in high school in the USA. I tried marijuana all of one time in college and didn't like how it made me fell, so I never tried any drug ever again. Stop making ridiculous assumptions about me just because I am being realistic. You asked why this kid would try Percocet? The answer is simply because (1) he was curious and (2) peer pressure. If you think your children will never be exposed to either of those two things, then I have a bridge to sell you...


You don’t know that for sure. I find it odd that he was hanging out with college kids home from winter break while he was in high school. That to me is a red flag - running with an older crowd?


Are you serious?? They went to the same high school. I was friends with kids older and younger than me in high school. We would absolutely hang out with each other over winter break. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that. Again, you appear to know nothing about American high school culture.


I wrote the post you just replied to, but I’m not the same poster who replied earlier about not being from this culture.

I do think it’s odd to have older friends who are off at college come back to hang out with high schoolers. And it is odd to take a Percocet from one of them.


I’ll ignore the pill part for a moment but you think it’s odd to hang out with someone a year younger or older? I had friends that were older and we hung out and I went to visit them at college for the weekend when I was a senior in HS. I had friends a grade lower who I definitely saw when I was home from college. None of this is odd. You don’t stop being friends the second you leave and I imagine it’s easier to stay in touch with cells and social media now.


I dont think it's that common to have friends outside your year. Not unheard of, but not common.
I also never visited any of my same-year HS friends at their colleges.


It’s very common if you ever played a sport, had a job or were in a club. I did all 3 and this is where my close friends came from. It didn’t matter if they were a year younger or older, we spent a ton of time together and became close.
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^adding to my post, it just occurred to me my sons best friend is a year older in HS. They met years ago but got really close being on the same team.
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Anonymous wrote:They should make watching that video mandatory in schools. Totally heartbreaking for the family.


I agree! Make it real for kids and families...because it is real.


Yes -- but it needs to come from the home too.
We had a sleepover last night -- 3 8th graders, and when I brought this up at breakfast, all three immediately said their parents had been talking about this with them. And they all were like -- why would you take something? That's the problem, they said. Just don't start and you don't have to worry!
I told them that they need to look out for each other - in the video, they talk about how in the investigation they learned that multiple people knew he was taking pills. I told these boys that if any one of them had a stupid moment and does something like this, they need to tell someone!

I think they got it? Time will tell...


of course it should come from home and school.
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Anonymous wrote:Why did he take a Percocet to begin with? That’s the question.

Really? You *never* tried any drugs to see how they would make you feel?


DP, I am 48 and I never tried any drugs, not even mj.. Never had anastesia either. People who try drugs are idiots.


I'd love to know how many of your friends and family members are idiots, then.


None. Husband never tried drugs. We raised two kids who didn't try drugs either. My dad is smoking tobacco, but other than that neither grandparents did drugs.


Well then you're the perfect parent with perfect children. How was church this morning?


You are a complete idiot and I am really sorry for your kids. I don't go to church as I was raised in atheist country. The sad thing that you don't understand the issue and justify kids experimenting with. drugs. I hope you will not be the next parent in the video.


You didn't even grow up in this country. So that alone tells me that you know nothing about what it is like to be in high school in the USA. I tried marijuana all of one time in college and didn't like how it made me fell, so I never tried any drug ever again. Stop making ridiculous assumptions about me just because I am being realistic. You asked why this kid would try Percocet? The answer is simply because (1) he was curious and (2) peer pressure. If you think your children will never be exposed to either of those two things, then I have a bridge to sell you...


You don’t know that for sure. I find it odd that he was hanging out with college kids home from winter break while he was in high school. That to me is a red flag - running with an older crowd?


Are you serious?? They went to the same high school. I was friends with kids older and younger than me in high school. We would absolutely hang out with each other over winter break. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that. Again, you appear to know nothing about American high school culture.


I wrote the post you just replied to, but I’m not the same poster who replied earlier about not being from this culture.

I do think it’s odd to have older friends who are off at college come back to hang out with high schoolers. And it is odd to take a Percocet from one of them.


I’ll ignore the pill part for a moment but you think it’s odd to hang out with someone a year younger or older? I had friends that were older and we hung out and I went to visit them at college for the weekend when I was a senior in HS. I had friends a grade lower who I definitely saw when I was home from college. None of this is odd. You don’t stop being friends the second you leave and I imagine it’s easier to stay in touch with cells and social media now.


I did too older and younger friends-some were a year ahead but my age because birthday cut offs...what an odd statement.
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Oakton parent here. I had no idea about the "known bathrooms" until I read it here and asked my child. Confirmed-apparently its by the English classes. If my child knows this, then why doesn't the school do something about it.

On the "my kids aren't stupid enough to do drugs" posters: my children are the "good students" and hang out with kids in sports and honors classes. and, yet, one of the good friends started experimenting with drinking and used the phrase "you are a loser if you don't try it at least once" to my child.
they didnt succumb to peer pressure at that time, but I am under no illusion that no matter how much we discuss the dangers of drinking, fentynl and we do, at length, that at some point, the lure of peer pressure may be too much. I hope it is not and we do not condone it but my child is surrounded by nothing but Type-A honors kids and those types of kids aren't wearing some magic coat that prevents experimentation.
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Kudos to the parents for speaking out and using their son's fatal mistake to try to reach other parents and kids.

The slogan "one pill can kill" needs to be said over and over. And still, the nature of teens is that they like to take risks. So, there will be more cases like Cayden's. We will never stop all of it. But, the parents are right to put the spotlight on those who know a friend is taking pills. Encouraging them to speak up might help some kids avoid Cayden's fate.

We need kids to report (anonymously) where the drugs are being sold (if at school).

We need more PSAs --- "Don't let your friends die." "Poison pills will kill." "It's lonely when you could have saved your friend but didn't." Whatever.

Kids need to be faced with the reality that a single pill CAN kill you. There is no second chance with fentanyl.
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Anonymous wrote:Kudos to the parents for speaking out and using their son's fatal mistake to try to reach other parents and kids.

The slogan "one pill can kill" needs to be said over and over. And still, the nature of teens is that they like to take risks. So, there will be more cases like Cayden's. We will never stop all of it. But, the parents are right to put the spotlight on those who know a friend is taking pills. Encouraging them to speak up might help some kids avoid Cayden's fate.

We need kids to report (anonymously) where the drugs are being sold (if at school).

We need more PSAs --- "Don't let your friends die." "Poison pills will kill." "It's lonely when you could have saved your friend but didn't." Whatever.

Kids need to be faced with the reality that a single pill CAN kill you. There is no second chance with fentanyl.


This!
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Anonymous wrote:Kudos to the parents for speaking out and using their son's fatal mistake to try to reach other parents and kids.

The slogan "one pill can kill" needs to be said over and over. And still, the nature of teens is that they like to take risks. So, there will be more cases like Cayden's. We will never stop all of it. But, the parents are right to put the spotlight on those who know a friend is taking pills. Encouraging them to speak up might help some kids avoid Cayden's fate.

We need kids to report (anonymously) where the drugs are being sold (if at school).

We need more PSAs --- "Don't let your friends die." "Poison pills will kill." "It's lonely when you could have saved your friend but didn't." Whatever.

Kids need to be faced with the reality that a single pill CAN kill you. There is no second chance with fentanyl.


This!


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