Wrangler - safety

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every other year in my rural hometown there’s a teenager who dies because they lost control their Jeep on some back road. I would never let my teen drive one. If adults who are experienced drivers want one, though, that’s not my business.

Interesting. Sounds like the sort of place where most of the population has a depressed IQ, since it happens so frequently.

And this is your hometown, huh? This is where you’re from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

My first of two Jeeps was a 2-door wrangler sport, which I lifted and got bigger than stock all terrain tires (it was my late 20's toy second car), and it was surprisingly bad in the snow. It would fish tail and slide around pretty easily... my second stock Jeep Rubicon did better in the snow, but still wasn't nearly as confidence inspiring as my Ford SUV was in the snow. I always assumed the 2-door Jeeps weren't great in the snow because of their lighter weight and the short wheelbase. I knew a couple of Jeep owners that swapped out for snow tires each winter for the same reason. I only bring this up because I think some people assume 4WD = great in snow. And that wasn't my experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every other year in my rural hometown there’s a teenager who dies because they lost control their Jeep on some back road. I would never let my teen drive one. If adults who are experienced drivers want one, though, that’s not my business.

Interesting. Sounds like the sort of place where most of the population has a depressed IQ, since it happens so frequently.

And this is your hometown, huh? This is where you’re from?

DP. Wow, sorry you are having such a bad day. Hope your family tolerates you today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

Now you’re talking complete nonsense right there, and it’s immediately clear to everyone you don’t know sh!t about four wheel drive, or off-road driving in general.

All your other points can be argued for merit or not. But when you claim they aren’t the best off-road vehicle, you’ve exposed your ignorance and your credibility is gone.

Jeeps might(?) be overpriced. They’re not the most comfortable things. They’re slow. They brake and go around corners begrudgingly at best. If you’re too stupid to do basic fixes on a vehicle, an older Jeep might not be for you. They can roll over more easily than a car. All those things are true to some degree.

But there is NOTHING on earth as capable off-road for the $$$ - for any $$$ - as a Jeep Wrangler.

If you balk at that then it proves you understand nothing about suspension design and the importance of live axles front and rear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every other year in my rural hometown there’s a teenager who dies because they lost control their Jeep on some back road. I would never let my teen drive one. If adults who are experienced drivers want one, though, that’s not my business.

Interesting. Sounds like the sort of place where most of the population has a depressed IQ, since it happens so frequently.

And this is your hometown, huh? This is where you’re from?

DP. Wow, sorry you are having such a bad day. Hope your family tolerates you today.

Probably better than yours did . Go home to your cats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

My first of two Jeeps was a 2-door wrangler sport, which I lifted and got bigger than stock all terrain tires (it was my late 20's toy second car), and it was surprisingly bad in the snow. It would fish tail and slide around pretty easily... my second stock Jeep Rubicon did better in the snow, but still wasn't nearly as confidence inspiring as my Ford SUV was in the snow. I always assumed the 2-door Jeeps weren't great in the snow because of their lighter weight and the short wheelbase. I knew a couple of Jeep owners that swapped out for snow tires each winter for the same reason. I only bring this up because I think some people assume 4WD = great in snow. And that wasn't my experience.

For sure! You have to know when to air down, when to use 4H vs 4L, etc. Half the cars getting towed off the sand in Corolla are Jeeps that people assumed would be great on sand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

Now you’re talking complete nonsense right there, and it’s immediately clear to everyone you don’t know sh!t about four wheel drive, or off-road driving in general.

All your other points can be argued for merit or not. But when you claim they aren’t the best off-road vehicle, you’ve exposed your ignorance and your credibility is gone.

Jeeps might(?) be overpriced. They’re not the most comfortable things. They’re slow. They brake and go around corners begrudgingly at best. If you’re too stupid to do basic fixes on a vehicle, an older Jeep might not be for you. They can roll over more easily than a car. All those things are true to some degree.

But there is NOTHING on earth as capable off-road for the $$$ - for any $$$ - as a Jeep Wrangler.

If you balk at that then it proves you understand nothing about suspension design and the importance of live axles front and rear.

They're so important that they're switching to front and rear full-floats for 2024. Which is a shame, because the commitment to axle purity was the only redeeming quality outside of the cuteness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

My first of two Jeeps was a 2-door wrangler sport, which I lifted and got bigger than stock all terrain tires (it was my late 20's toy second car), and it was surprisingly bad in the snow. It would fish tail and slide around pretty easily... my second stock Jeep Rubicon did better in the snow, but still wasn't nearly as confidence inspiring as my Ford SUV was in the snow. I always assumed the 2-door Jeeps weren't great in the snow because of their lighter weight and the short wheelbase. I knew a couple of Jeep owners that swapped out for snow tires each winter for the same reason. I only bring this up because I think some people assume 4WD = great in snow. And that wasn't my experience.

Gets a ton better if you load some weight over the rear axle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

Now you’re talking complete nonsense right there, and it’s immediately clear to everyone you don’t know sh!t about four wheel drive, or off-road driving in general.

All your other points can be argued for merit or not. But when you claim they aren’t the best off-road vehicle, you’ve exposed your ignorance and your credibility is gone.

Jeeps might(?) be overpriced. They’re not the most comfortable things. They’re slow. They brake and go around corners begrudgingly at best. If you’re too stupid to do basic fixes on a vehicle, an older Jeep might not be for you. They can roll over more easily than a car. All those things are true to some degree.

But there is NOTHING on earth as capable off-road for the $$$ - for any $$$ - as a Jeep Wrangler.

If you balk at that then it proves you understand nothing about suspension design and the importance of live axles front and rear.

They're so important that they're switching to front and rear full-floats for 2024. Which is a shame, because the commitment to axle purity was the only redeeming quality outside of the cuteness.

Why do you see that as a negative? I think it’s fantastic. They should’ve done it decades ago. I did a Teraflex full float retrofit kit on my Dana 44 rear on my TJ and it cost like $1,200 (in 2002 dollars!)

Full floaters are great. The hub bearing carries the entire weight of the vehicle, so all the axle-shaft has to do is turn the hub, and nothing else. It doesn’t need to carry any of the vehicle’s weight. And if you break an axle-shaft, all you need to do is pull the cover off the hub, pull the broken shaft out, and slide the new one in. You can replace the axle shaft on a full floater axle in under 5 minutes. Plus, if you DO break a shaft, the wheel assembly won’t come walking out of the axle tube. Dana 35’s rears were infamous for that. Even the D44 is only a semi-float design. All the burden of holding the hub and wheel assembly in the tube falls on the retaining nuts of the flange. Dicey solution at best.

Full float axles are amazing. Don’t be afraid of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

My first of two Jeeps was a 2-door wrangler sport, which I lifted and got bigger than stock all terrain tires (it was my late 20's toy second car), and it was surprisingly bad in the snow. It would fish tail and slide around pretty easily... my second stock Jeep Rubicon did better in the snow, but still wasn't nearly as confidence inspiring as my Ford SUV was in the snow. I always assumed the 2-door Jeeps weren't great in the snow because of their lighter weight and the short wheelbase. I knew a couple of Jeep owners that swapped out for snow tires each winter for the same reason. I only bring this up because I think some people assume 4WD = great in snow. And that wasn't my experience.

For sure! You have to know when to air down, when to use 4H vs 4L, etc. Half the cars getting towed off the sand in Corolla are Jeeps that people assumed would be great on sand.

If you drive on sand at street pressure you should be beaten with a Hi Lift handle.

[Anonymous]

I thought Jeeps Wranglers were okay for teens when you could get a pretty basic, 4 cylinder 2-door model with a stick because it so slow, and everything was somewhat equally sketchy in terms of reliability. Supposedly, Jeep still makes these but I have not seen any new base models available on a lot in years. These days, if my kid wanted an off-roader, I would rather get a basic 4wd Tacoma pickup that is slow but more reliable and can haul stuff.

[Anonymous]

Wranglers are coffins on wheels. Good luck with that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought Jeeps Wranglers were okay for teens when you could get a pretty basic, 4 cylinder 2-door model with a stick because it so slow, and everything was somewhat equally sketchy in terms of reliability. Supposedly, Jeep still makes these but I have not seen any new base models available on a lot in years. These days, if my kid wanted an off-roader, I would rather get a basic 4wd Tacoma pickup that is slow but more reliable and can haul stuff.

The two door are very small so a four door is better. The newer ones are more reliable. We have had some auxiliary battery issues but easily replaced. Otherwise zero issues. We got an extended warranty just in case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wranglers are coffins on wheels. Good luck with that!

Cool, so when I’m dead they can bury me in mine?