If your school limits students to 8-10 applications

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Anonymous wrote:If you are thoughtful about your list and not shotgunning a bunch of reach school there's really no need to apply to more than 8-10 schools.

^ This, in spades.

Whether or not that is true, why should you get to decide that, or any hs administration?

Shouldn't a student and their family be free to make that decision?

/FYI both my kids ED admits so this did not affect us, so no accusations please. But right it right and this is wrong.

Because the private school wants to pride themselves on the students getting into top schools. That won't happen if the Top 10-15 kids get all the "admits" at the T10 schools. And yes, elite schools do limit how many they take from each HS.

Yes, that is understood. Many, many times . What still not been explained is why that is not unfair to the top student? Why should that student have fewer options?

Also, colleges have things called waiting lists for this very purpose.

This isn’t golf. The top player shouldn’t suffer from the handicap of others.

Last year at our private school that limits apps, a kid got in Princeton SCEA. He was super hooked AT Princeton via a parent with close ties, but this is name brand rich family and any school would take him. Princeton was the "dream school" as communicated to counselor. He got in. Yay. Then he decided he wanted to put in the rest of the apps to the limit "just to see". This kid was going to Princeton, it was clear and the counselor called him/parents in to say, "What you're proposing will very likely take a seat from a classmate. I've been doing this a long time. I know the AOs at these schools. THey'll only take x number of our kids. You're going to Princeton, so let's not do this". These people are pricks to be honest and they said they took the "high road" and only apply to Harvard and Stanford. The kid got into both and went to Princeton. This is what they want to avoid.

This happened with a hooked student at an Ivy at our Big3 also. But this is a different issue than limiting applications to 10. These are ego builder applications and discussions should be held with these kids/families (even if they are powerful). Limiting everyone else to 10 applications isn't going to keep this sort of obnoxious behavior from happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not common, but schools that limit apps isn’t common. It’s a very elite school thing.

And I would expect it goes along with very strong college counseling where students are given excellent advice about where they are very likely to get in so there should not be a need to apply to a ton of schools out of uncertainty. If a family has a particular need to exceed the limits that seems to be a reasonable discussion to have with the counseling office. If you chose your school for their excellent college placement results, the limit is part of what got those results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not common, but schools that limit apps isn’t common. It’s a very elite school thing.

And I would expect it goes along with very strong college counseling where students are given excellent advice about where they are very likely to get in so there should not be a need to apply to a ton of schools out of uncertainty. If a family has a particular need to exceed the limits that seems to be a reasonable discussion to have with the counseling office. If you chose your school for their excellent college placement results, the limit is part of what got those results.

But this statement does not resemble what college counseling advice is provided at some schools. I'll call out Sidwell and GDS in particular....

[Anonymous]

"This. There are formal limits because some people are a**holes. How many "options" does a top kid need? The school is looking out for the entire community, as they should."

At most, this "helped" 4 other high performing seniors who wanted Princeton and had the stats for it. The other 45+ kids in that senior class had NOTHING to do with this situation. They were never going to apply to Princeton, Harvard, or Stanford, especially if the counseling and list guidance at these schools is as great as some say it is. But the kid ranked #30 in this class of 50 potentially lost out on some chances to get into a better school or better merit offers. You harmed kids 6-50 so that kids 2-5 MIGHT MAYBE POSSIBLY have a shot at Princeton, Harvard, and Stanford. How does a rule like that make sense for the greater good?

I said this before, and I'm saying it again: If you're worried about too many kids applying to the most elite schools that will limit offers to 1-2 students per school and the potential for offer hoarding, impose a limit on how many of those elite schools any student can apply to. Leave the kids hoping for merit from Loyola Maryland out of it. Let them apply to as many flagships in flyover states as they want, other than U Michigan. That solves the problem you've identified and does zero harm to everyone else who has no interest or ability in playing that game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are thoughtful about your list and not shotgunning a bunch of reach school there's really no need to apply to more than 8-10 schools.

^ This, in spades.

Whether or not that is true, why should you get to decide that, or any hs administration?

Shouldn't a student and their family be free to make that decision?

/FYI both my kids ED admits so this did not affect us, so no accusations please. But right it right and this is wrong.

Because the private school wants to pride themselves on the students getting into top schools. That won't happen if the Top 10-15 kids get all the "admits" at the T10 schools. And yes, elite schools do limit how many they take from each HS.

Yes, that is understood. Many, many times . What still not been explained is why that is not unfair to the top student? Why should that student have fewer options?

Also, colleges have things called waiting lists for this very purpose.

This isn’t golf. The top player shouldn’t suffer from the handicap of others.

Last year at our private school that limits apps, a kid got in Princeton SCEA. He was super hooked AT Princeton via a parent with close ties, but this is name brand rich family and any school would take him. Princeton was the "dream school" as communicated to counselor. He got in. Yay. Then he decided he wanted to put in the rest of the apps to the limit "just to see". This kid was going to Princeton, it was clear and the counselor called him/parents in to say, "What you're proposing will very likely take a seat from a classmate. I've been doing this a long time. I know the AOs at these schools. THey'll only take x number of our kids. You're going to Princeton, so let's not do this". These people are pricks to be honest and they said they took the "high road" and only apply to Harvard and Stanford. The kid got into both and went to Princeton. This is what they want to avoid.

I don’t believe a word of the story, and if it is true, and you know if you should not. These are private transactions . Shame on you either way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are thoughtful about your list and not shotgunning a bunch of reach school there's really no need to apply to more than 8-10 schools.

^ This, in spades.

Whether or not that is true, why should you get to decide that, or any hs administration?

Shouldn't a student and their family be free to make that decision?

/FYI both my kids ED admits so this did not affect us, so no accusations please. But right it right and this is wrong.

Because the private school wants to pride themselves on the students getting into top schools. That won't happen if the Top 10-15 kids get all the "admits" at the T10 schools. And yes, elite schools do limit how many they take from each HS.

Yes, that is understood. Many, many times . What still not been explained is why that is not unfair to the top student? Why should that student have fewer options?

Also, colleges have things called waiting lists for this very purpose.

This isn’t golf. The top player shouldn’t suffer from the handicap of others.

Last year at our private school that limits apps, a kid got in Princeton SCEA. He was super hooked AT Princeton via a parent with close ties, but this is name brand rich family and any school would take him. Princeton was the "dream school" as communicated to counselor. He got in. Yay. Then he decided he wanted to put in the rest of the apps to the limit "just to see". This kid was going to Princeton, it was clear and the counselor called him/parents in to say, "What you're proposing will very likely take a seat from a classmate. I've been doing this a long time. I know the AOs at these schools. THey'll only take x number of our kids. You're going to Princeton, so let's not do this". These people are pricks to be honest and they said they took the "high road" and only apply to Harvard and Stanford. The kid got into both and went to Princeton. This is what they want to avoid.

I don’t believe a word of the story, and if it is true, and you know if you should not. These are private transactions . Shame on you either way.

Oh, and I’ll point out the stupid stupid stupid limit of 8 would not prohibit him from applying to the rest of the ivies. So, fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are thoughtful about your list and not shotgunning a bunch of reach school there's really no need to apply to more than 8-10 schools.

^ This, in spades.

Whether or not that is true, why should you get to decide that, or any hs administration?

Shouldn't a student and their family be free to make that decision?

/FYI both my kids ED admits so this did not affect us, so no accusations please. But right it right and this is wrong.

Because the private school wants to pride themselves on the students getting into top schools. That won't happen if the Top 10-15 kids get all the "admits" at the T10 schools. And yes, elite schools do limit how many they take from each HS.

Yes, that is understood. Many, many times . What still not been explained is why that is not unfair to the top student? Why should that student have fewer options?

Also, colleges have things called waiting lists for this very purpose.

This isn’t golf. The top player shouldn’t suffer from the handicap of others.

Last year at our private school that limits apps, a kid got in Princeton SCEA. He was super hooked AT Princeton via a parent with close ties, but this is name brand rich family and any school would take him. Princeton was the "dream school" as communicated to counselor. He got in. Yay. Then he decided he wanted to put in the rest of the apps to the limit "just to see". This kid was going to Princeton, it was clear and the counselor called him/parents in to say, "What you're proposing will very likely take a seat from a classmate. I've been doing this a long time. I know the AOs at these schools. THey'll only take x number of our kids. You're going to Princeton, so let's not do this". These people are pricks to be honest and they said they took the "high road" and only apply to Harvard and Stanford. The kid got into both and went to Princeton. This is what they want to avoid.

This happened at a Chicago private.

[Anonymous]

In case some of you don't realize it, schools below about T50 and pretty much all flagship public schools won't limit how many kids they take from each high school. The problem you're trying to solve for is a non-issue at the other 3,950 colleges.

Alabama will take as many kids from Blair High School as they deem qualified. Arizona will too. Why in the world would you want to limit how many Sidwell or GDS kids apply to those colleges? Do you really think Kalamazoo is going to say they can't admit Larlo because they already admitted Larla from the same DC high school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are thoughtful about your list and not shotgunning a bunch of reach school there's really no need to apply to more than 8-10 schools.

^ This, in spades.

Whether or not that is true, why should you get to decide that, or any hs administration?

Shouldn't a student and their family be free to make that decision?

/FYI both my kids ED admits so this did not affect us, so no accusations please. But right it right and this is wrong.

Because the private school wants to pride themselves on the students getting into top schools. That won't happen if the Top 10-15 kids get all the "admits" at the T10 schools. And yes, elite schools do limit how many they take from each HS.

Yes, that is understood. Many, many times . What still not been explained is why that is not unfair to the top student? Why should that student have fewer options?

Also, colleges have things called waiting lists for this very purpose.

This isn’t golf. The top player shouldn’t suffer from the handicap of others.

Last year at our private school that limits apps, a kid got in Princeton SCEA. He was super hooked AT Princeton via a parent with close ties, but this is name brand rich family and any school would take him. Princeton was the "dream school" as communicated to counselor. He got in. Yay. Then he decided he wanted to put in the rest of the apps to the limit "just to see". This kid was going to Princeton, it was clear and the counselor called him/parents in to say, "What you're proposing will very likely take a seat from a classmate. I've been doing this a long time. I know the AOs at these schools. THey'll only take x number of our kids. You're going to Princeton, so let's not do this". These people are pricks to be honest and they said they took the "high road" and only apply to Harvard and Stanford. The kid got into both and went to Princeton. This is what they want to avoid.

I don’t believe a word of the story, and if it is true, and you know if you should not. These are private transactions . Shame on you either way.

Oh, and I’ll point out the stupid stupid stupid limit of 8 would not prohibit him from applying to the rest of the ivies. So, fail.

You’re not understanding. Schools that limit apps also encourage you to accept your SCEA “dream school”. This was also discussed earlier upthread so … fail on your reading skills

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are thoughtful about your list and not shotgunning a bunch of reach school there's really no need to apply to more than 8-10 schools.

^ This, in spades.

Whether or not that is true, why should you get to decide that, or any hs administration?

Shouldn't a student and their family be free to make that decision?

/FYI both my kids ED admits so this did not affect us, so no accusations please. But right it right and this is wrong.

Because the private school wants to pride themselves on the students getting into top schools. That won't happen if the Top 10-15 kids get all the "admits" at the T10 schools. And yes, elite schools do limit how many they take from each HS.

Yes, that is understood. Many, many times . What still not been explained is why that is not unfair to the top student? Why should that student have fewer options?

Also, colleges have things called waiting lists for this very purpose.

This isn’t golf. The top player shouldn’t suffer from the handicap of others.

Last year at our private school that limits apps, a kid got in Princeton SCEA. He was super hooked AT Princeton via a parent with close ties, but this is name brand rich family and any school would take him. Princeton was the "dream school" as communicated to counselor. He got in. Yay. Then he decided he wanted to put in the rest of the apps to the limit "just to see". This kid was going to Princeton, it was clear and the counselor called him/parents in to say, "What you're proposing will very likely take a seat from a classmate. I've been doing this a long time. I know the AOs at these schools. THey'll only take x number of our kids. You're going to Princeton, so let's not do this". These people are pricks to be honest and they said they took the "high road" and only apply to Harvard and Stanford. The kid got into both and went to Princeton. This is what they want to avoid.

I don’t believe a word of the story, and if it is true, and you know if you should not. These are private transactions . Shame on you either way.

Oh, and I’ll point out the stupid stupid stupid limit of 8 would not prohibit him from applying to the rest of the ivies. So, fail.

You’re not understanding. Schools that limit apps also encourage you to accept your SCEA “dream school”. This was also discussed earlier upthread so … fail on your reading skills

Nope. You fail. The limit would not accomplish the stated goal. I read it perfectly.

[Anonymous]

The people who don’t understand this are not the people in these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people who don’t understand this are not the people in these schools.

Our school does it and I’m not opposed in principle. It helps students be realistic, thoughtful, and focused with the college application process. I do think increasing from 10 to 12 would be reasonable (more or less 3 safeties, 3 targets and 3 reaches)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"OMG. Plenty of people have said why. It is considered fair to the student body overall to not allow a few stand-out students to hoard acceptances. "

OMG back to you.

How does it help the rest of the student body at GDS that a student applying to 15 professional pilot programs at schools like University of North Dakota, Southern Utah State, or Kansas State at Salina is limited to 10 of these schools? Odds are that not a single other student at GDS is submitting an application to any of those not well regarded schools in flyover country. This student's applications have ZERO bearing on the other seniors in their class. So, why should they be limited to just 10 applications and whose interests are served by limiting them?

If a middle class student needing merit wants to study art but has not won any major art awards and therefore has no way to gauge whether they actually have talent applies to 8 schools for a BFA and 4 schools ranked 100 and below for a major in psychology, how does that harm any other senior at GDS? Students applying to art programs usually need to do two tracks, one for art and one for a fall back major because you have no idea whether your portfolio will appeal to the art department's admission committee. In what way does limiting this kid's chances of being accepted somewhere that they can afford HELP the rest of the class at GDS who have no interest in these schools?

what are your other issues? Just curious
GDS has raised the cap to 12.
UCs count as one school because of the single application process--so technically, a GDS senior could be applying to a lot of schools, far more than 12, if the student wants to apply to all of the UCs.
Exceptions in the number of applications can be made for students applying to highly competitive arts programs. (BTW, GDS generally has a very good track record of sending their serious arts students to excellent art colleges.)
Get your facts straight before you rant. As a GDS parent, I have a lot of issues with GDS, but the number of college applications is not one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the rationale for limiting to 8-10? A cost saving move by the school to limit time spent sending records? Or a desire to make kids think more strategically about their options? Or an equity issue, not everyone can afford to apply to 20 schools? Or something else?

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Elite schools often admit only 2 kids per school (if they have a small class size and are aiming for geographic diversity. If you are a private school with 100 students all well qualified for T20 schools, that means that ~40 kids should be admitted. If kids make no differentiation among those schools and just apply to all of them, it’s probable that some kids will get multiple offers and others none, where they would have gotten an offer if the applications from that school were limited.

This is a bizarre hypothetical. There are no private schools in this area where 40 kids are of T20 quality, much less all the kids.

[Anonymous]

Where is the outrage from Republicans g little Johnny is being controlled?

Apply away dcums please keep those colleges taking your app monies.