School Asking DC To Mask To Accomodate An Other

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they worked. I really do. But unfortunately trial after randomized trial show they don’t.

They don’t work for flu (decades of research shows that), they barely work for wildfire smoke (and they need to be n95 for that). Unfortunately the data shows they are not an effective mitigation measure. I wish this child the very very best and I hope the vaccine is effective for them, but asking others to wear masks for them isn’t doing anything to keep them safer.

Of course masks work. Stop spreading your disinformation.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/masks-work-distorting-science-to-dispute-the-evidence-doesnt/

No they don’t. Again i wish they did. https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses

Surgical masks: “Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people).”

Respirators: “ Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people).”

this study from Spain was most convincing to me that school mask mandates are worthless: https://adc.bmj.com/content/108/2/131

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know what district you are in - may have missed - but the ACLU ruling only applies to these ten districts: The 10 school districts affected by the ruling are Albemarle County Public Schools, Manassas City Public Schools, Henrico County Public Schools, Chesterfield County Public Schools, Cumberland County Public Schools, York County School Division, Bedford County Public Schools, Chesapeake City Public Schools, Loudoun County Public Schools and Fairfax County Public Schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/24/virgina-masking-school-aclu-suit/

The issue at this point is obviously the concerning lack of data that children masking prevents any sort of spread - esp as they take them off to eat etc. And when the vaccine is available to every school-aged high-risk child that needs it plus boosters - why ask others to to mask for you? Does this child go anywhere besides school, if so, then they are surrounded by non-masked. Children already have a low r-naught (see Catalonia study as example).

The high-risk child can mask themselves as well if the parents feel like asking them to do that. There are no studies showing kid's wearing non-fit tested masks are reducing spread. All the MMWR's and observational studies the CDC promoted of schools - when the timelines are expanded - show no reduction in spread/positive tests in mask mandated districts vs mask optional. And any observational studies done in 2020 or 2021 were using cloth masks so we can immediately see that a supposed effect is suspect. When you dig in deeper you'll see that their contract tracing only tested post-exposure of non-masked students - immediately confounding results.

Asking parents to make their students mask is a virtue signal at best at this point in 2023. COVID is endemic; it will be around the entire life of that child. Almost every child has had at this point per serological data. They can be vaccinated. They can mask themselves.

This is not justifiable from a public health perspective at this point.

You really do go to great lengths to show what an uncaring person you are.

PP poster here - I do care. I want this high-risk student to be safe. I care about data-driven decision making, data-driven risk reduction and data-driven mitigation. That's why you'll see I advocated for the vaccine for high-risk and air exchange rates. But as far as masks go, there is no data that defends mandating them on classmates - especially children - at this stage. A wish, hope and Fiegl-Ding tweets do not an effective mitigation measure make. If a student is truly high risk, it is dangerous to put them in an environment like a classroom whether its the flu or COVID or any number of other viruses - putting a tshirt or a non-fit tested N95 or a knock off KN94 on their fellow classmates faces is not going to protect them. I would advocate they have the option for VAVA as they recover and hopefully get well enough soon to go back into a public environment whether that be a grocery store, mall or school classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I got an email asking my child to wear a mask in a certain class becuse another child had a 'medical situation'. If we decline, DC will be moved to another class.

Am I wrong to be put off by this? A 'medical situation', without further explanation, could be anything between luekemia and being the child of one of those drama queens that won't let go of the mask because of the politics behind it. I won't force my kid to endure another year of masking to support the latter but I would bend over backwars to accomodate the former.

How do I go about answering the request?

You respond with that your kid is allergic to having too many kids in a classroom. Maybe 10 kids in a classroom.

I know you’re being sarcastic but you’re actually making a good point. My child has a disability and although there are many things that would absolutely help him (like 10 kids in the class) I know I’m not entitled to that. I also know that there are limits to how much his disability is allowed to impact other kids (like he would have to go to a different placement if his behavior was too disruptive.) I have no problem concluding that asking other kids to mask is far too much to expect as an accommodation- particularly when the evidence is so poor for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it doesn’t work for your kid have them move to a different class. Problem solved.

+1 pretty straightforward, op. But the drag queen reference sure is a tell.

Yes. Have your kid move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would tell my child to mask and do the right thing. Part of growing up is being respectful to others needs. But, you need to move your child. The other child deserves to have kids with nice parents in the classroom.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

I would either have my child mask or switch classes. Either way, it's not a big deal.

[Anonymous]

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No one loves wearing a mask, but an hour a day for a single class seems like a small price to pay for the health of a peer.

OP again. And again this is incorrect. If I ws atold the kid had cancer my kid would be wearing a mask. But the vague language used in the request make me 100% think this is some East End liberal mom still trying to use the mask in identity politics.

Language is vague because personal health info is private. Do you not realize that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would tell my child to mask and do the right thing. Part of growing up is being respectful to others needs. But, you need to move your child. The other child deserves to have kids with nice parents in the classroom.

100% this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not know what district you are in - may have missed - but the ACLU ruling only applies to these ten districts: The 10 school districts affected by the ruling are Albemarle County Public Schools, Manassas City Public Schools, Henrico County Public Schools, Chesterfield County Public Schools, Cumberland County Public Schools, York County School Division, Bedford County Public Schools, Chesapeake City Public Schools, Loudoun County Public Schools and Fairfax County Public Schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/24/virgina-masking-school-aclu-suit/

The issue at this point is obviously the concerning lack of data that children masking prevents any sort of spread - esp as they take them off to eat etc. And when the vaccine is available to every school-aged high-risk child that needs it plus boosters - why ask others to to mask for you? Does this child go anywhere besides school, if so, then they are surrounded by non-masked. Children already have a low r-naught (see Catalonia study as example).

The high-risk child can mask themselves as well if the parents feel like asking them to do that. There are no studies showing kid's wearing non-fit tested masks are reducing spread. All the MMWR's and observational studies the CDC promoted of schools - when the timelines are expanded - show no reduction in spread/positive tests in mask mandated districts vs mask optional. And any observational studies done in 2020 or 2021 were using cloth masks so we can immediately see that a supposed effect is suspect. When you dig in deeper you'll see that their contract tracing only tested post-exposure of non-masked students - immediately confounding results.

Asking parents to make their students mask is a virtue signal at best at this point in 2023. COVID is endemic; it will be around the entire life of that child. Almost every child has had at this point per serological data. They can be vaccinated. They can mask themselves.

This is not justifiable from a public health perspective at this point.

There are other viral illnesses besides covid. We had an immunocompromised family member (cancer treatment) who was told to mask years before covid was a thing, specifically during flu season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they worked. I really do. But unfortunately trial after randomized trial show they don’t.

They don’t work for flu (decades of research shows that), they barely work for wildfire smoke (and they need to be n95 for that). Unfortunately the data shows they are not an effective mitigation measure. I wish this child the very very best and I hope the vaccine is effective for them, but asking others to wear masks for them isn’t doing anything to keep them safer.

Of course masks work. Stop spreading your disinformation.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/masks-work-distorting-science-to-dispute-the-evidence-doesnt/

That’s an opinion piece. And it says something basically along the lines of “we should trust years experience of using masks over scientific evidence.”

Not terribly compelling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got an email asking my child to wear a mask in a certain class becuse another child had a 'medical situation'. If we decline, DC will be moved to another class.

Am I wrong to be put off by this? A 'medical situation', without further explanation, could be anything between luekemia and being the child of one of those drama queens that won't let go of the mask because of the politics behind it. I won't force my kid to endure another year of masking to support the latter but I would bend over backwars to accomodate the former.

How do I go about answering the request?

Personally I would assume the school would have verified there was a significant medical situation. Do you really think schools are telling kids to mask based on other parent preferences and politics? If you want more information then ask the school what they can tell you about how a person goes about getting this kind of accommodation. Obviously they can't/shouldn't tell you the specific medical situation but they should be willing to tell you the process for something like this and examples of what kind of a need is significant enough.

Lol nope. One crazy determined parent can ruin the schools as we’ve seen with everything from book bans to teacher shootings. Administrators have no power to stand up to parents. They will punish all the kids just to cover their ass%s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not know what district you are in - may have missed - but the ACLU ruling only applies to these ten districts: The 10 school districts affected by the ruling are Albemarle County Public Schools, Manassas City Public Schools, Henrico County Public Schools, Chesterfield County Public Schools, Cumberland County Public Schools, York County School Division, Bedford County Public Schools, Chesapeake City Public Schools, Loudoun County Public Schools and Fairfax County Public Schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/24/virgina-masking-school-aclu-suit/

The issue at this point is obviously the concerning lack of data that children masking prevents any sort of spread - esp as they take them off to eat etc. And when the vaccine is available to every school-aged high-risk child that needs it plus boosters - why ask others to to mask for you? Does this child go anywhere besides school, if so, then they are surrounded by non-masked. Children already have a low r-naught (see Catalonia study as example).

The high-risk child can mask themselves as well if the parents feel like asking them to do that. There are no studies showing kid's wearing non-fit tested masks are reducing spread. All the MMWR's and observational studies the CDC promoted of schools - when the timelines are expanded - show no reduction in spread/positive tests in mask mandated districts vs mask optional. And any observational studies done in 2020 or 2021 were using cloth masks so we can immediately see that a supposed effect is suspect. When you dig in deeper you'll see that their contract tracing only tested post-exposure of non-masked students - immediately confounding results.

Asking parents to make their students mask is a virtue signal at best at this point in 2023. COVID is endemic; it will be around the entire life of that child. Almost every child has had at this point per serological data. They can be vaccinated. They can mask themselves.

This is not justifiable from a public health perspective at this point.

There are other viral illnesses besides covid. We had an immunocompromised family member (cancer treatment) who was told to mask years before covid was a thing, specifically during flu season.

Did everyone around them have to mask?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got an email asking my child to wear a mask in a certain class becuse another child had a 'medical situation'. If we decline, DC will be moved to another class.

Am I wrong to be put off by this? A 'medical situation', without further explanation, could be anything between luekemia and being the child of one of those drama queens that won't let go of the mask because of the politics behind it. I won't force my kid to endure another year of masking to support the latter but I would bend over backwars to accomodate the former.

How do I go about answering the request?

"Am I wrong to be put off by this?"

Yes, yes you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not know what district you are in - may have missed - but the ACLU ruling only applies to these ten districts: The 10 school districts affected by the ruling are Albemarle County Public Schools, Manassas City Public Schools, Henrico County Public Schools, Chesterfield County Public Schools, Cumberland County Public Schools, York County School Division, Bedford County Public Schools, Chesapeake City Public Schools, Loudoun County Public Schools and Fairfax County Public Schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/24/virgina-masking-school-aclu-suit/

The issue at this point is obviously the concerning lack of data that children masking prevents any sort of spread - esp as they take them off to eat etc. And when the vaccine is available to every school-aged high-risk child that needs it plus boosters - why ask others to to mask for you? Does this child go anywhere besides school, if so, then they are surrounded by non-masked. Children already have a low r-naught (see Catalonia study as example).

The high-risk child can mask themselves as well if the parents feel like asking them to do that. There are no studies showing kid's wearing non-fit tested masks are reducing spread. All the MMWR's and observational studies the CDC promoted of schools - when the timelines are expanded - show no reduction in spread/positive tests in mask mandated districts vs mask optional. And any observational studies done in 2020 or 2021 were using cloth masks so we can immediately see that a supposed effect is suspect. When you dig in deeper you'll see that their contract tracing only tested post-exposure of non-masked students - immediately confounding results.

Asking parents to make their students mask is a virtue signal at best at this point in 2023. COVID is endemic; it will be around the entire life of that child. Almost every child has had at this point per serological data. They can be vaccinated. They can mask themselves.

This is not justifiable from a public health perspective at this point.

There are other viral illnesses besides covid. We had an immunocompromised family member (cancer treatment) who was told to mask years before covid was a thing, specifically during flu season.

DP. You're missing the point. It's one thing for the patient to wear a mask, but it's quite another to ask everyone else to wear one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got an email asking my child to wear a mask in a certain class becuse another child had a 'medical situation'. If we decline, DC will be moved to another class.

Am I wrong to be put off by this? A 'medical situation', without further explanation, could be anything between luekemia and being the child of one of those drama queens that won't let go of the mask because of the politics behind it. I won't force my kid to endure another year of masking to support the latter but I would bend over backwars to accomodate the former.

How do I go about answering the request?

"Am I wrong to be put off by this?"

Yes, yes you are.

Disagree. I'd be put off, too. It's highly unlikely that the school required any sort of doctor note for this request--and what doctor would actually say that a kid who is so medically fragile is fine to go to school unless everyone around them masks?