Bode and Morgan Miller's Kids - bad luck

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Regarding the number of children issue would it make a difference if everyone was on good terms? Matt Damon is often described as a father of 4 daughters but the oldest is actually his stepdaughter from his wife’s first marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the number of children issue would it make a difference if everyone was on good terms? Matt Damon is often described as a father of 4 daughters but the oldest is actually his stepdaughter from his wife’s first marriage.

Yes, I think. In MD case the girls probably live with him as the mother (his wife) probably has custody.

Also, I doubt MD had a history of trying to steal these girls when they were newborns and posing as their father like someone we know did.

I would never refer to my husband’s previous child as MY children unless their mother was dead and I was actually raising them - and that is a maybe, depending on the age of the child.

If my husband and I divorce and he remarries, I would not accept his new wife referring to herself as the mother of MY children.

As a child of divorce myself, I never permitted my father’s new wife to refer to me as her daughter either (I was 11). Not that my father or she would haver ever suggested this travesty btw.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

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If it was a gathering with multiple people, that’s even worse as she may have assumed someone else was watching the child.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Not a chance most people do this.

Also, why do you keep calling this a play date? This was an evening gathering at a neighbor’s house with multiple other people there (altho not a party as first reported).

You can pretend to be perfect all you want, but we know the Millers are not perfect parents. Neither was Granger Smith whose child drowned in the family pool by opening the pool gate while Granger was outside with him. Just like Granger turned his back on his son for something, Morgan likely did as well to her daughter.

Not sure what happened in the Granger Smith family, as I noticed they side stepped the question when asked on how it happened. Granger was outside playing with all the kids. They had 3 kids. You can’t have eyes on the non swimmer at all times if you are distracted by the older two playing ball or whatever. The gate should have been closed and locked down or they shouldn’t have been playing near the pool.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

What are you disputing? The link confirms the incident did happen in the evening. There is also zero reference to a playdate which is what someone keeps claiming. Also, do you really think a couple of people and multiple are different?

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Anonymous wrote:The most annoying part of the article is that she's called "a mom of eight". How are you a mom of eight? Your birthed six, one died. You're a mom of five. You don't get to count the dead kids or kids you didn't birth. It's not a wholesale operation.

Omg, horrifying, this whole thread is HORRIFYING. You have become what you hate here with comments like this.

I have? I can report with 100% certainty that I've never counted my husband's issue with other women among my children. I remain a mom of (# of infants grown inside my uterus).

Minus any who die of course, by your own counting methods.

Yes. Although I wouldn't hold it against others who feel differently.

Children by other women? nope. My husband's child is not my child.

This is shockingly out of touch with what it means to be a mother

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the number of children issue would it make a difference if everyone was on good terms? Matt Damon is often described as a father of 4 daughters but the oldest is actually his stepdaughter from his wife’s first marriage.

Yes, I think. In MD case the girls probably live with him as the mother (his wife) probably has custody.

Also, I doubt MD had a history of trying to steal these girls when they were newborns and posing as their father like someone we know did.

I would never refer to my husband’s previous child as MY children unless their mother was dead and I was actually raising them - and that is a maybe, depending on the age of the child.

If my husband and I divorce and he remarries, I would not accept his new wife referring to herself as the mother of MY children.

As a child of divorce myself, I never permitted my father’s new wife to refer to me as her daughter either (I was 11). Not that my father or she would haver ever suggested this travesty btw.

I think this situation seems pretty effed up but I am a child of divorce and while my mother feels the same way as you I was much benefitted from my step parents considering me on of their own. Both referred to me as their kid and I was better off for it. It is just selfishness and silly obsession with labels that causes people to latch onto this. The way they treated birth mom is the crime here, focusing on this makes you seem just as ghoulish as you claim they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

Sorry, it absolutely cannot happen if you are watching a non swimmer carefully around pools. I never let my 19 month old wander around at someone’s house without my direct supervision.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

+1. Drowning happens silently and fast. We have a gated pool and I have only had one pool party with a lifeguard and high school seniors. I would never judge a parent that lost their kid to drowning in a pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t know, I feel like you’re very quick to judge. Not every parent is holding their children’s hands every single minute of the pool party or shadowing their every move. You could turn to our food on a plate or grab a juice box out of the cooler or think your DH is watching her. Accidents happen.