Anyone else culturally rich but asset-poor?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it meant highly educated and well-traveled, knowledgeable about the arts, but not wealthy. I think this describes a lot of people in academia, particularly in the humanities.

This is how the OP would like to view themselves. However, it actually just means that in addition to being poor, they are also insufferable and pretentious a-holes.

The air of moral superiority that people OP is describing is a huge turnoff.

[Anonymous]

I am asset rich but culturally poor. Call me when you can get approved for a mortgage based on your cultural richness

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it meant highly educated and well-traveled, knowledgeable about the arts, but not wealthy. I think this describes a lot of people in academia, particularly in the humanities.

This is how the OP would like to view themselves. However, it actually just means that in addition to being poor, they are also insufferable and pretentious a-holes.

The air of moral superiority that people OP is describing is a huge turnoff.

There are poor people who drive fancy cars who are fake it til they make it, but more obvious than they know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Culturally rich in White people speak means they read books, admire stolen artifacts and rewritten histories in museums, stare at art locked behind glass in galleries, and consider themselves ‘civilized’.

It’s not culture as POC would define it.

Oh, stop. This is so tiresome, little miss keyboard activist

But am I wrong? The ‘literati’ pp and ‘sophisticated’ pp in the apartment full of dusty books have corroborated.

Literati, here: Yes, Keyboard warrior. I will lend you my Lorde and Anzaldúa. I actually have quite a bit you would probably like.

There have been a lot of assumptions made on this board but what strikes me the most is the contempt for what we could call the "mid
intellectual classes"--the lawyers, PhDs, and people with grad degress in the social sciences/humanities who have PowerPoint jobs. Like it is a crime to be a well-read middle manager who doesn't make enough to fly business class to see Klimt whenever they want, but they have seen it and Amsterdam and will probably go to Amsterdam again before they die. If this angers the actual rich--the question is why? Why do they even care?

I’m not rich. I don’t go to Amsterdam to see Klimt. I’ve been adding that the white people definition ‘culturally rich’ is different from POC. It’s a viewpoint that should be considered within the context of this topic.

Since you’re so worldly and well educated, taking consideration of that seems like it shouldn’t strike such a nerve. But go ahead and read about it and discuss it as lofty conversation pieces in your echo chamber then call me a keyboard warrior for sharing my experience of this definition because you don’t want to think about culture in any other way than what fits your self description.

DP: As a POC whose tastes align with having lots of 'dusty books,' going to museums and who has even been known to spend a few days in the archives, what rubbed me wrong about your response is that you generalized their experience to be that of "white people" and put it contrast to a generic "POC" experience. I can relate to being culturally rich in the sense of deeply valuing culture and spending more energy on developing my understanding of culture than optimizing money. Which is what I think OP was talking about. OP's definition of 'culturally rich' may not align with your definition of 'culturally rich' -- but there are people of every race who align more with learning than optimizing money.

Thank you. I am Latina and I you verbalized it well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it meant highly educated and well-traveled, knowledgeable about the arts, but not wealthy. I think this describes a lot of people in academia, particularly in the humanities.

This is how the OP would like to view themselves. However, it actually just means that in addition to being poor, they are also insufferable and pretentious a-holes.

The air of moral superiority that people OP is describing is a huge turnoff.

No I think you guys are getting a bit defensive. I get what OP is saying. I am not sure I would have described it as culturally rich. I think this points to the fact that social class is more than just income. There are lots of people who are well educated but not wealthy or even UMC when looking at only income. DCUM makes it seem that money automatically follows being smart or having attained high levels of education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it meant highly educated and well-traveled, knowledgeable about the arts, but not wealthy. I think this describes a lot of people in academia, particularly in the humanities.

This is how the OP would like to view themselves. However, it actually just means that in addition to being poor, they are also insufferable and pretentious a-holes.

The air of moral superiority that people OP is describing is a huge turnoff.

No I think you guys are getting a bit defensive. I get what OP is saying. I am not sure I would have described it as culturally rich. I think this points to the fact that social class is more than just income. There are lots of people who are well educated but not wealthy or even UMC when looking at only income. DCUM makes it seem that money automatically follows being smart or having attained high levels of education.

+1 The hype-ready defensive snarkiness of PPs (with their own implicit moral superiority) is also a huge turn-off. Sure, some of the trappings OP and other PPs mentioned were a little cliche and pretentious for my tastes, but so what? The underlying sentiment that cultural knowledge is a source of its own wealth doesn't strike me as wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am asset rich but culturally poor. Call me when you can get approved for a mortgage based on your cultural richness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am asset rich but culturally poor. Call me when you can get approved for a mortgage based on your cultural richness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dunno why everyone is so triggered by the OP. I take it to mean focusing your money on experiences, either for your family or yourself instead of putting your money into a large mortgage, luxury car, or vacation home. Could be in the form of private school, travelling wherever you want when you want without being concerned about a mortgage or other high dollar assets. Maybe this question doesn’t offend me because I often ask myself and my spouse if we wouldn’t be better off cutting our mortgage and size of house in half, and use that extra money to show our kids different parts of the world. Is that so crazy?

Not exactly. OP’s post specifically says asset poor. Asset poor people can’t afford private school and a lot of travel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am asset rich but culturally poor. Call me when you can get approved for a mortgage based on your cultural richness

Why would we want to call a culturally boring person? You can sit in your house alone. Have fun!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Culturally rich in White people speak means they read books, admire stolen artifacts and rewritten histories in museums, stare at art locked behind glass in galleries, and consider themselves ‘civilized’.

It’s not culture as POC would define it.

Oh, stop. This is so tiresome, little miss keyboard activist

But am I wrong? The ‘literati’ pp and ‘sophisticated’ pp in the apartment full of dusty books have corroborated.

Literati, here: Yes, Keyboard warrior. I will lend you my Lorde and Anzaldúa. I actually have quite a bit you would probably like.

There have been a lot of assumptions made on this board but what strikes me the most is the contempt for what we could call the "mid
intellectual classes"--the lawyers, PhDs, and people with grad degress in the social sciences/humanities who have PowerPoint jobs. Like it is a crime to be a well-read middle manager who doesn't make enough to fly business class to see Klimt whenever they want, but they have seen it and Amsterdam and will probably go to Amsterdam again before they die. If this angers the actual rich--the question is why? Why do they even care?

I’m not rich. I don’t go to Amsterdam to see Klimt. I’ve been adding that the white people definition ‘culturally rich’ is different from POC. It’s a viewpoint that should be considered within the context of this topic.

Since you’re so worldly and well educated, taking consideration of that seems like it shouldn’t strike such a nerve. But go ahead and read about it and discuss it as lofty conversation pieces in your echo chamber then call me a keyboard warrior for sharing my experience of this definition because you don’t want to think about culture in any other way than what fits your self description.

DP: As a POC whose tastes align with having lots of 'dusty books,' going to museums and who has even been known to spend a few days in the archives, what rubbed me wrong about your response is that you generalized their experience to be that of "white people" and put it contrast to a generic "POC" experience. I can relate to being culturally rich in the sense of deeply valuing culture and spending more energy on developing my understanding of culture than optimizing money. Which is what I think OP was talking about. OP's definition of 'culturally rich' may not align with your definition of 'culturally rich' -- but there are people of every race who align more with learning than optimizing money.

Thank you. I am Latina and I you verbalized it well.

+2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno why everyone is so triggered by the OP. I take it to mean focusing your money on experiences, either for your family or yourself instead of putting your money into a large mortgage, luxury car, or vacation home. Could be in the form of private school, travelling wherever you want when you want without being concerned about a mortgage or other high dollar assets. Maybe this question doesn’t offend me because I often ask myself and my spouse if we wouldn’t be better off cutting our mortgage and size of house in half, and use that extra money to show our kids different parts of the world. Is that so crazy?

Not exactly. OP’s post specifically says asset poor. Asset poor people can’t afford private school and a lot of travel.

I find this topic quite fascinating, as well as people's responses to it.

I know quite few people who fall into this category, not just in the US, but also Europe and the Middle East, where I have lived. This is definitely not a white people only thing. They value constant learning and often are quite learned in a particular sphere--music, art, literature, science or history. Some have a bit of the sadness that comes from feeling misunderstood in their dominant culture, others are free spirited.

Most are very good at getting private school scholarship for their kids. They do travel, usually with very cheap tickets with room and board provided by friends in the places they visit. Accommodations could be on the floor or a couch, but they are not picky about that. They return the favor when others of the same ilk visit their country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Culturally rich in White people speak means they read books, admire stolen artifacts and rewritten histories in museums, stare at art locked behind glass in galleries, and consider themselves ‘civilized’.

It’s not culture as POC would define it.

Genuinely curious—how would POC define culture?

Culture would equate to something from one’s own heritage or ancestry. Internal experiences vs external experiences

Which one is riding ATVs through DC streets and fighting on the metro at 3pm?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Culturally rich in White people speak means they read books, admire stolen artifacts and rewritten histories in museums, stare at art locked behind glass in galleries, and consider themselves ‘civilized’.

It’s not culture as POC would define it.

Genuinely curious—how would POC define culture?

Culture would equate to something from one’s own heritage or ancestry. Internal experiences vs external experiences

Which one is riding ATVs through DC streets and fighting on the metro at 3pm?

It’s you being racist. You know if you said what you really think to your friends/family/colleagues, you’d be (rightfully) shunned. So you only do it anonymously on the internet. And because you’re also a narcissist, you’ve become confused. You think that because you don’t make a case for your ideas and people don’t sit around to refute them, again, you think you’re secretly right and have just been unfairly “canceled” by a society gone mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Culturally rich in White people speak means they read books, admire stolen artifacts and rewritten histories in museums, stare at art locked behind glass in galleries, and consider themselves ‘civilized’.

It’s not culture as POC would define it.

Genuinely curious—how would POC define culture?

Culture would equate to something from one’s own heritage or ancestry. Internal experiences vs external experiences

Which one is riding ATVs through DC streets and fighting on the metro at 3pm?

It’s you being racist. You know if you said what you really think to your friends/family/colleagues, you’d be (rightfully) shunned. So you only do it anonymously on the internet. And because you’re also a narcissist, you’ve become confused. You think that because you don’t make a case for your ideas and people don’t sit around to refute them, again, you think you’re secretly right and have just been unfairly “canceled” by a society gone mad.

PS imo the person who is the kindest and best at explaining to racists why they’re wrong is still James Baldwin, so if you want to have a secret place to raise and argue your racist ideas you should do it alone at night with his books and an open mind.