death at Dunn Loring metro

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NBC4 says: the leash was tied around the man’s waist. They were in the 6th car. The man got out of the train but the dog remained inside the car. Operator did two door checks. All confirmed on video.

Family claiming it was a service dog. But I’ve never seemed a service dog that was on a very long leash or that wasn’t next to the owner.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/metro-rider-dies-after-being-dragged-by-train/3280412/

I’ve seen those waist-tied leashes outdoors on walks/runs. They aren’t safe on trains for anyone, service dog or not. Gravely irresponsible of the owner that resulted in his tragedy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, it sounds like someone with a service dog. Horrible.

That would elevate this from “wow, that sucks” to “holy shit, that is a tragedy”

No, even if it's just a pet dog, this is a horrific tragedy.

No, it’s just a terrible accident. It’s a bummer. But that isn’t by any definition a tragedy.

By mine and my family's definition, it would be a tragedy. And you don't get to tell me differently.

[Anonymous]

This story is horribly tragic.

Service dogs stay religiously by their owners side with little to no distance between them. I don't think this was a true service dog, likely a "mental support" animal. A true service animal would have followed him out the door.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are many different types of real service dogs, not just for blind people. The take that it couldn’t be a service dog is premature.

Seizure, diabetic, and PTSD dogs aren’t necessarily obvious but can be lifesaving.

But who ties themselves to their dog? That’s such a weird thing that it makes it seem more likely it was a service dog to me.

Most are now bullshit “emotional support animals.”

People are just exploiting a loop-hole to take their dogs places they would otherwise not be allowed.

Someone got up on the a$$hole side of the bed this morning.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe someone is on here arguing that this isn't a tragedy. Do you have no manners? Ability to read a room? Ability to stretch your words? This accident is tragic. Let it be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This was not a service dog. Read the latest news stories.

Then what was it doing on the Metro?

The same thing all of these “service pets” are doing at grocery stores, restaurants, target, everywhere! Everybody knows they are pets. I like pets, I have three dogs, but they are not service animals and should not be everywhere, including the metro. I think businesses everywhere should pay attention to this, and realize what a huge liability it is for pets to be allowed in all places. Regardless of whether or not it was user error or driver error, this family is going to sue metro, and metro will have to pay out. If you are a business, pay attention to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story is horribly tragic.

Service dogs stay religiously by their owners side with little to no distance between them. I don't think this was a true service dog, likely a "mental support" animal. A true service animal would have followed him out the door.

This. A "service animal" is not the same as a Service Animal. No person with a legitimate medical need for a service animal would use a waist leash.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are many different types of real service dogs, not just for blind people. The take that it couldn’t be a service dog is premature.

Seizure, diabetic, and PTSD dogs aren’t necessarily obvious but can be lifesaving.

But who ties themselves to their dog? That’s such a weird thing that it makes it seem more likely it was a service dog to me.

Most are now bullshit “emotional support animals.”

People are just exploiting a loop-hole to take their dogs places they would otherwise not be allowed.

But you don’t really know about this specific case do you? Go start a thread with your personal campaign against pets but someone died here so have some respect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This story is horribly tragic.

Service dogs stay religiously by their owners side with little to no distance between them. I don't think this was a true service dog, likely a "mental support" animal. A true service animal would have followed him out the door.

This. A "service animal" is not the same as a Service Animal. No person with a legitimate medical need for a service animal would use a waist leash.

You have zero facts about the specific dog we are discussing. Pure speculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love how able bodied people think they know better about what constitutes a service dog.

If you don't know this poor victim personally, you don't know the truth about this particular dog. I certainly don't.

But regardless of the truth in this particular case, your speculating hurts people with service animals because you're making assumptions that simply aren't true. Stop.

The correct term is nondisabled. If you’re going to try to shame, use the correct terms. - a disabled person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story is horribly tragic.

Service dogs stay religiously by their owners side with little to no distance between them. I don't think this was a true service dog, likely a "mental support" animal. A true service animal would have followed him out the door.

This. A "service animal" is not the same as a Service Animal. No person with a legitimate medical need for a service animal would use a waist leash.

You have zero facts about the specific dog we are discussing. Pure speculation.

It doesn't matter. No dog, service animal or not, should have been on a leash long enough to get trapped in a door. The dog should have been right by his side, for many different reasons.

[Anonymous]

If it were an actual service animal, the family would have very likely disclosed the reasoning among other details. Ie, "grandfather of 4 with history of seizures."

This was almost certainly a pet that someone decided to call their "service animal." And regardless, the animal was transported improperly on the train--even if it was a legitimate service animal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NBC4 says: the leash was tied around the man’s waist. They were in the 6th car. The man got out of the train but the dog remained inside the car. Operator did two door checks. All confirmed on video.

Family claiming it was a service dog. But I’ve never seemed a service dog that was on a very long leash or that wasn’t next to the owner.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/metro-rider-dies-after-being-dragged-by-train/3280412/

I’ve seen those waist-tied leashes outdoors on walks/runs. They aren’t safe on trains for anyone, service dog or not. Gravely irresponsible of the owner that resulted in his tragedy.

Can you not read?

The dog caused this. If the dog had not stubbornly refused to get off the train, this innocent man would be alive today.

[Anonymous]

This dog didn’t have any id on him. Do service dogs typically carry some kind of identification or the owners medical emergency contacts? This is a genuine question by the way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is so troubling. I am D-O-N-E with Metro. Absolutely done. Used to be a daily rider. I haven’t taken it since COVID and will never take it again if I can help it.

They need to disband WMATA and sell it all off to a private company to operate.

Dramatic, much? This accident was patron error, and had nothing to do with Metro. You expect a train operator to see a thin dog leash from hundreds of feet away? The owner was negligent, and his accidental negligence resulted in his death.

The rubric currently seems to be that someone does something dumb on a bicycle and dies and it is a horrible tragedy and we as a society need to derisk every potential situation so that people don’t do dumb things on bicycles and get themselves killed because “doing dumb things on a bike should not be a death sentence”.

However, if someone does something dumb and gets themselves killed on Metro, we should just shrug it off as “patron error”.

I don’t care to debate this, just noting the difference.