Active shooter Michigan State

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:21-year-old MSU student has now been through TWO mass school shootings in her short life. She was a student at Sandy Hook 10 years ago,

omg. this just got to me. how heartbreaking. I can't imagine how she and her parents/family are feeling.

I never thought I'd want to have my daughter be homeschooled, and ask the shoppers at Buffalo grocery store how that isn't relevant, but my God - it is just a helpless and hopeless situation we are in in America. what the actual f*ck?

I was followed twice in my car, by men with clear intention to harm. I don’t want men or cars banned.

dp. why do people keep comparing gun control with things like cars and knives? It's such a dumb comparison.

Gun nutters keep saying that more gun control won't work, so why have them.

Well we have laws regarding theft and murder but that doesn't seem to be stopping people, so why have them. Why don't we just have the Purge so we can go around killing people once a year.

[Anonymous]

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I blame the following:

Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis

Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.

I blame them but there's so many dynamics at work and it's the American culture. The gun lobby would not have legitimacy if it weren't for all the folks who back them. The American culture is one of independence and the me me me only me tradition. We saw it during COVID, we see it demonstrated by how privatized for-profit healthcare is run, we see it in so many ways. It's not a civilized society. Everything about how a country is doing is interconnected be it financial, cultural, etc. The problems we have is all about not caring about each other enough and politically, about too many issues at hand that everyone wants a piece of. It's not just the legislative branch at work - its the fans who support the gun lobby and they in turn pressure the politicians into doing their will. There are also Dems who support them and Republicans who support gun right limits. The thing is - we don't have a culture that supports a healthy society. Frankly, I don't think legislation at this point will actually do much as I think there's just too many guns out there in the wrong hands and too many attitudes that need to be changed but never will be. I think that we have to keep going and let it get to a point where it's so crazy even the people who thought this would be OK isn't. I give it another 5 years or so though.

I agree. We're beyond fixing this illness with laws. Our country is literally flooded with guns. We now have to live with what we created.
My best friend's daughter is at MSU. Was on her to way to meet her roommate at the student union. Her roommate was already there and experienced the whole thing. Both traumatized now. So what did my friend's BIL, her daughter's uncle, do this morning? Post on Facebook on everyone's right to bear arms. After my friend received alert after alert after alert from MSU last night, going through every parent's nightmare. This is where we're wrong. Even when it becomes personal, where your selfishness is apparent and you finally get it, we're still not getting it.

My nephew experienced the trauma of 9/11 first-hand. He does not hate Muslim people and want them banned.

You're equating an inanimate object with people. WTH is the matter with you?

Maybe PPs gun is like a make-believe friend. He takes it everywhere and they have adventures!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I blame the following:

Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis

Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.

I blame them but there's so many dynamics at work and it's the American culture. The gun lobby would not have legitimacy if it weren't for all the folks who back them. The American culture is one of independence and the me me me only me tradition. We saw it during COVID, we see it demonstrated by how privatized for-profit healthcare is run, we see it in so many ways. It's not a civilized society. Everything about how a country is doing is interconnected be it financial, cultural, etc. The problems we have is all about not caring about each other enough and politically, about too many issues at hand that everyone wants a piece of. It's not just the legislative branch at work - its the fans who support the gun lobby and they in turn pressure the politicians into doing their will. There are also Dems who support them and Republicans who support gun right limits. The thing is - we don't have a culture that supports a healthy society. Frankly, I don't think legislation at this point will actually do much as I think there's just too many guns out there in the wrong hands and too many attitudes that need to be changed but never will be. I think that we have to keep going and let it get to a point where it's so crazy even the people who thought this would be OK isn't. I give it another 5 years or so though.

I agree. We're beyond fixing this illness with laws. Our country is literally flooded with guns. We now have to live with what we created.
My best friend's daughter is at MSU. Was on her to way to meet her roommate at the student union. Her roommate was already there and experienced the whole thing. Both traumatized now. So what did my friend's BIL, her daughter's uncle, do this morning? Post on Facebook on everyone's right to bear arms. After my friend received alert after alert after alert from MSU last night, going through every parent's nightmare. This is where we're wrong. Even when it becomes personal, where your selfishness is apparent and you finally get it, we're still not getting it.

My nephew experienced the trauma of 9/11 first-hand. He does not hate Muslim people and want them banned.

You're equating an inanimate object with people. WTH is the matter with you?

To be fair, you’re assuming PP sees Muslims and brown people as people equal to them. I’m not sure that’s true, because they’re equating them to guns and it sounds like they’re complimenting their nephew for not wanting to eradicate them. It’s almost like a step in the right direction. They acknowledged that they’re “people,” just not people who are more important than inanimate objects. Kind of like schoolchildren. /s

[Anonymous]

Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I blame the following:

Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis

Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.

I blame them but there's so many dynamics at work and it's the American culture. The gun lobby would not have legitimacy if it weren't for all the folks who back them. The American culture is one of independence and the me me me only me tradition. We saw it during COVID, we see it demonstrated by how privatized for-profit healthcare is run, we see it in so many ways. It's not a civilized society. Everything about how a country is doing is interconnected be it financial, cultural, etc. The problems we have is all about not caring about each other enough and politically, about too many issues at hand that everyone wants a piece of. It's not just the legislative branch at work - its the fans who support the gun lobby and they in turn pressure the politicians into doing their will. There are also Dems who support them and Republicans who support gun right limits. The thing is - we don't have a culture that supports a healthy society. Frankly, I don't think legislation at this point will actually do much as I think there's just too many guns out there in the wrong hands and too many attitudes that need to be changed but never will be. I think that we have to keep going and let it get to a point where it's so crazy even the people who thought this would be OK isn't. I give it another 5 years or so though.

I agree. We're beyond fixing this illness with laws. Our country is literally flooded with guns. We now have to live with what we created.
My best friend's daughter is at MSU. Was on her to way to meet her roommate at the student union. Her roommate was already there and experienced the whole thing. Both traumatized now. So what did my friend's BIL, her daughter's uncle, do this morning? Post on Facebook on everyone's right to bear arms. After my friend received alert after alert after alert from MSU last night, going through every parent's nightmare. This is where we're wrong. Even when it becomes personal, where your selfishness is apparent and you finally get it, we're still not getting it.

My nephew experienced the trauma of 9/11 first-hand. He does not hate Muslim people and want them banned.

You're equating an inanimate object with people. WTH is the matter with you?

Maybe PPs gun is like a make-believe friend. He takes it everywhere and they have adventures!

Every woman should take their gun on any adventure they take. Driving cross country alone? Take a weapon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I blame the following:

Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis

Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.

I blame them but there's so many dynamics at work and it's the American culture. The gun lobby would not have legitimacy if it weren't for all the folks who back them. The American culture is one of independence and the me me me only me tradition. We saw it during COVID, we see it demonstrated by how privatized for-profit healthcare is run, we see it in so many ways. It's not a civilized society. Everything about how a country is doing is interconnected be it financial, cultural, etc. The problems we have is all about not caring about each other enough and politically, about too many issues at hand that everyone wants a piece of. It's not just the legislative branch at work - its the fans who support the gun lobby and they in turn pressure the politicians into doing their will. There are also Dems who support them and Republicans who support gun right limits. The thing is - we don't have a culture that supports a healthy society. Frankly, I don't think legislation at this point will actually do much as I think there's just too many guns out there in the wrong hands and too many attitudes that need to be changed but never will be. I think that we have to keep going and let it get to a point where it's so crazy even the people who thought this would be OK isn't. I give it another 5 years or so though.

I agree. We're beyond fixing this illness with laws. Our country is literally flooded with guns. We now have to live with what we created.
My best friend's daughter is at MSU. Was on her to way to meet her roommate at the student union. Her roommate was already there and experienced the whole thing. Both traumatized now. So what did my friend's BIL, her daughter's uncle, do this morning? Post on Facebook on everyone's right to bear arms. After my friend received alert after alert after alert from MSU last night, going through every parent's nightmare. This is where we're wrong. Even when it becomes personal, where your selfishness is apparent and you finally get it, we're still not getting it.

My nephew experienced the trauma of 9/11 first-hand. He does not hate Muslim people and want them banned.

You're equating an inanimate object with people. WTH is the matter with you?

To be fair, you’re assuming PP sees Muslims and brown people as people equal to them. I’m not sure that’s true, because they’re equating them to guns and it sounds like they’re complimenting their nephew for not wanting to eradicate them. It’s almost like a step in the right direction. They acknowledged that they’re “people,” just not people who are more important than inanimate objects. Kind of like schoolchildren. /s

Then we agree - the person who used the gun is the cause, not the gun itself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I blame the following:

Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis

Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.

I blame them but there's so many dynamics at work and it's the American culture. The gun lobby would not have legitimacy if it weren't for all the folks who back them. The American culture is one of independence and the me me me only me tradition. We saw it during COVID, we see it demonstrated by how privatized for-profit healthcare is run, we see it in so many ways. It's not a civilized society. Everything about how a country is doing is interconnected be it financial, cultural, etc. The problems we have is all about not caring about each other enough and politically, about too many issues at hand that everyone wants a piece of. It's not just the legislative branch at work - its the fans who support the gun lobby and they in turn pressure the politicians into doing their will. There are also Dems who support them and Republicans who support gun right limits. The thing is - we don't have a culture that supports a healthy society. Frankly, I don't think legislation at this point will actually do much as I think there's just too many guns out there in the wrong hands and too many attitudes that need to be changed but never will be. I think that we have to keep going and let it get to a point where it's so crazy even the people who thought this would be OK isn't. I give it another 5 years or so though.

I agree. We're beyond fixing this illness with laws. Our country is literally flooded with guns. We now have to live with what we created.
My best friend's daughter is at MSU. Was on her to way to meet her roommate at the student union. Her roommate was already there and experienced the whole thing. Both traumatized now. So what did my friend's BIL, her daughter's uncle, do this morning? Post on Facebook on everyone's right to bear arms. After my friend received alert after alert after alert from MSU last night, going through every parent's nightmare. This is where we're wrong. Even when it becomes personal, where your selfishness is apparent and you finally get it, we're still not getting it.

My nephew experienced the trauma of 9/11 first-hand. He does not hate Muslim people and want them banned.

You're equating an inanimate object with people. WTH is the matter with you?

To be fair, you’re assuming PP sees Muslims and brown people as people equal to them. I’m not sure that’s true, because they’re equating them to guns and it sounds like they’re complimenting their nephew for not wanting to eradicate them. It’s almost like a step in the right direction. They acknowledged that they’re “people,” just not people who are more important than inanimate objects. Kind of like schoolchildren. /s

Then we agree - the person who used the gun is the cause, not the gun itself

DP. If it's the shooter who is always the problem and never the gun, please explain to me why the US leads the world in mass shootings and gun ownership rates? What would YOU say is the problem? What is wrong with American men that they resort to gun violence at higher rates than found in other developed countries?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All progress on this is blocked by the GOP. There’s no “us” problem here, there’s a problem in that one party is beholden to the NRA/Russia and for whom violent citizen death is a benefit.

The younger generation has had enough. They grew up traumatized by school shootings and they don't want that for their kids. They will be the voters to send the NRA away and good riddance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All progress on this is blocked by the GOP. There’s no “us” problem here, there’s a problem in that one party is beholden to the NRA/Russia and for whom violent citizen death is a benefit.

The younger generation has had enough. They grew up traumatized by school shootings and they don't want that for their kids. They will be the voters to send the NRA away and good riddance

I agree. That's the only hope. Young people today--for the most part--don't share the gun fetish of the older population. I feel as if we're going through a cultural shift on this issue and it may take decades to complete, but I do believe it's happening.

PS. I worried about school shootings all through ES, MS, and HS and hated that students had to go through active shooter drills from Kindergarten on. I was right to worry because my only child was at UVA on lockdown for 12 hours just a few months ago when there was a mass shooting there. Most of the students and staff weren't hurt during the shooting, but the memories of fear and grief for the students that were killed will linger forever. No amount of RWNJ and NRA pro-gun propaganda is going to alter those memories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws

stupid. A democrat prosecuted dropped felony charges against the shooter . Why do you wa T more gun laws when you refuse to prosecute the gun laws we already have ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All progress on this is blocked by the GOP. There’s no “us” problem here, there’s a problem in that one party is beholden to the NRA/Russia and for whom violent citizen death is a benefit.

The younger generation has had enough. They grew up traumatized by school shootings and they don't want that for their kids. They will be the voters to send the NRA away and good riddance

I agree. That's the only hope. Young people today--for the most part--don't share the gun fetish of the older population. I feel as if we're going through a cultural shift on this issue and it may take decades to complete, but I do believe it's happening.

PS. I worried about school shootings all through ES, MS, and HS and hated that students had to go through active shooter drills from Kindergarten on. I was right to worry because my only child was at UVA on lockdown for 12 hours just a few months ago when there was a mass shooting there. Most of the students and staff weren't hurt during the shooting, but the memories of fear and grief for the students that were killed will linger forever. No amount of RWNJ and NRA pro-gun propaganda is going to alter those memories.

weird how it’s mostly younger people doing mass shootings. And these almost never happened before the late 70s. Ask yourself what changed that caused people to go on killing rampages? It used to be far easier to get guns and they didn’t have mass shootings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws

Blame Carol Simeon, she didn’t have to plea him down

[Anonymous]

Siemon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:21-year-old MSU student has now been through TWO mass school shootings in her short life. She was a student at Sandy Hook 10 years ago,

omg. this just got to me. how heartbreaking. I can't imagine how she and her parents/family are feeling.

I never thought I'd want to have my daughter be homeschooled, and ask the shoppers at Buffalo grocery store how that isn't relevant, but my God - it is just a helpless and hopeless situation we are in in America. what the actual f*ck?

I was followed twice in my car, by men with clear intention to harm. I don’t want men or cars banned.

dp. why do people keep comparing gun control with things like cars and knives? It's such a dumb comparison.

Gun nutters keep saying that more gun control won't work, so why have them.

Well we have laws regarding theft and murder but that doesn't seem to be stopping people, so why have them. Why don't we just have the Purge so we can go around killing people once a year.

This. And cars and knives a) have other purposes and b) cannot take out dozens of people at once.

The reason gun control won't work right away is bc there are already too many guns on the street. Without buyback or taking those back somehow, gun control is going to be somewhat ineffective at least initially. But we have to start chipping away. Getting the guns out there off the streets, enforcing rules going forward, and HARSHLY punishing criminals and people who are negligent with guns (people like Adam Lanza's mom, imo).

You can still have a country that allows gun ownership but allows it responsibly and safely. Somehow other civilized countries have figured this out. America seems content to want to live in a 2023 version of Tombstone. No matter how many of our children are SLAUGHTERED as a result. And we are a laughingstock because of it. And the people who allow it to continue have blood on their hands.

[Anonymous]

A PP said that it was easier for people to get guns prior to the 1970s. Is this accurate?

I feel like technology, prices, distribution, and regulatory structure have all made it easier and cheaper to kill people with firearms than it would have been 50+ years ago. But, I confess I don't have a lot of hard knowledge to back that up.