Equal outcomes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

It's actually called a civil rights investigation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

In that case he won't have to look too hard to find some witches (and at least one sorcerer).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

Two other schools in FCPS made the same mistake, is there a count for how many schools nation wide forgot to distribute information from a third party? Has VADOE or the attorney general even bothered trying to see if this is wide spread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

Two other schools in FCPS made the same mistake, is there a count for how many schools nation wide forgot to distribute information from a third party? Has VADOE or the attorney general even bothered trying to see if this is wide spread?

“forgot” 🤦‍♂️

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

Two other schools in FCPS made the same mistake, is there a count for how many schools nation wide forgot to distribute information from a third party? Has VADOE or the attorney general even bothered trying to see if this is wide spread?

“forgot” 🤦‍♂️

Sure, it's totally random that in a state with 132 districts, the state AG has chosen to investigate two that are run by the democrats where state republicans are trying to make inroads based on education. Just a fluke. I'm sure the rest of the state is doing great, it must be if there are no issues outside of the top two ranked districts in the state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

Two other schools in FCPS made the same mistake, is there a count for how many schools nation wide forgot to distribute information from a third party? Has VADOE or the attorney general even bothered trying to see if this is wide spread?

“forgot” 🤦‍♂️

Sure, it's totally random that in a state with 132 districts, the state AG has chosen to investigate two that are run by the democrats where state republicans are trying to make inroads based on education. Just a fluke. I'm sure the rest of the state is doing great, it must be if there are no issues outside of the top two ranked districts in the state.

Exactly. They are willing to use our kids as pawns in their political games.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is probably a fool's errand hoping for a rational and measured discussion on this topic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any insights on what "equal outcomes for every student, no exceptions" actually means.

Because just taken purely at face value, it makes no sense. If a single graduating FCPS student who wants to doesn't gain admission to George Mason or JMU (let alone UVA or a private), then we've failed to achieve equal outcomes if any FCPS student IS able to gain admission to those schools. If any single student scores higher on the SAT or CogAT or any other standardized test than any other student, we've failed to achieve equal outcomes. Clearly this interpretation would be unrealistic and entirely unachievable (nor desirable).

I feel like some disingenuous folks will say "Yes, that's exactly the insanity they're spewing!", but I'm convinced there has to be a more reasonable reality that this phrase is actually intended to represent, but I just don't happen to know what it is, and am hoping someone can constructively enlighten me as to what the actual intent or meaning behind this phrase is.

For me, this is akin to when the "Defund the police" slogan arrived on the scene, and the literal interpretation of fully withdrawing ALL police funding seemed like it would lead to anarchic-type outcomes like some version of "The Purge" and thus seemed similarly unrealistic. But then when you listened and realized that what the vast majority of folks were talking about with this phrase was acknowledging the brokenness of the current system, and for example shifting funding away from militarization of the police and reducing their scope to intervene for example in mental health crises, and instead funding more of those funds into appropirately-specialized community services (rather than treating the police as some sort of universal solution to all behavioral issues in society), it was like, "Oh... yeah that makes waaay more sense."

So what's the analog here? Do they actually mean "less disparate outcomes"? Or that each demographic group has "similar overall distributions of outcomes"? And most importantly, what are the means by which they intend to increase the equality of outcomes? Is it by investing more resources for those individuals or groups who are underperforming others? Or is it by reducing the investment in programs like AAP or TJ or anything that currently supports high-achievers in maximizing their own ceilings while in FCPS? I'd really like to understand this better, and appreciate any reasoned inputs.

You’re way overthinking this. Get a life.

DP, but if it’s so obvious explain it for those who are less enlightened. It’s clearly a phrase that’s been spouted by the new superintendent and a consulting firm to which FCPS is paying a substantial sum of money.

OMG!!!! SOMEONE SAID A PHRASE!!!

Get a life, OP. Stop pushing your politics at the expense of our schools.

We all know who has been doing this for years, and it's the current crop of educrats and School Board members, and their overpaid consultants.

Yes, we know you want to keep the poors poor and will do anything you can to maintain status quo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well of they don’t notify students of being merit scholarship eligible then that’s equal outcomes in action. Nobody gets a scholarship

+1

It's a dumb "investigation" to garner votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

Two other schools in FCPS made the same mistake, is there a count for how many schools nation wide forgot to distribute information from a third party? Has VADOE or the attorney general even bothered trying to see if this is wide spread?

“forgot” 🤦‍♂️

Sure, it's totally random that in a state with 132 districts, the state AG has chosen to investigate two that are run by the democrats where state republicans are trying to make inroads based on education. Just a fluke. I'm sure the rest of the state is doing great, it must be if there are no issues outside of the top two ranked districts in the state.

Exactly. They are willing to use our kids as pawns in their political games.

I see Democrats as using kids as pawns in their political games when they announce a commitment to "equal outcomes" that implies, without expressly saying, that merit and hard work matter less than looking for new ways to favor supposedly "marginalized" groups when it comes to allocating educational resources and opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is probably a fool's errand hoping for a rational and measured discussion on this topic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any insights on what "equal outcomes for every student, no exceptions" actually means.

Because just taken purely at face value, it makes no sense. If a single graduating FCPS student who wants to doesn't gain admission to George Mason or JMU (let alone UVA or a private), then we've failed to achieve equal outcomes if any FCPS student IS able to gain admission to those schools. If any single student scores higher on the SAT or CogAT or any other standardized test than any other student, we've failed to achieve equal outcomes. Clearly this interpretation would be unrealistic and entirely unachievable (nor desirable).

I feel like some disingenuous folks will say "Yes, that's exactly the insanity they're spewing!", but I'm convinced there has to be a more reasonable reality that this phrase is actually intended to represent, but I just don't happen to know what it is, and am hoping someone can constructively enlighten me as to what the actual intent or meaning behind this phrase is.

For me, this is akin to when the "Defund the police" slogan arrived on the scene, and the literal interpretation of fully withdrawing ALL police funding seemed like it would lead to anarchic-type outcomes like some version of "The Purge" and thus seemed similarly unrealistic. But then when you listened and realized that what the vast majority of folks were talking about with this phrase was acknowledging the brokenness of the current system, and for example shifting funding away from militarization of the police and reducing their scope to intervene for example in mental health crises, and instead funding more of those funds into appropirately-specialized community services (rather than treating the police as some sort of universal solution to all behavioral issues in society), it was like, "Oh... yeah that makes waaay more sense."

So what's the analog here? Do they actually mean "less disparate outcomes"? Or that each demographic group has "similar overall distributions of outcomes"? And most importantly, what are the means by which they intend to increase the equality of outcomes? Is it by investing more resources for those individuals or groups who are underperforming others? Or is it by reducing the investment in programs like AAP or TJ or anything that currently supports high-achievers in maximizing their own ceilings while in FCPS? I'd really like to understand this better, and appreciate any reasoned inputs.

You’re way overthinking this. Get a life.

DP, but if it’s so obvious explain it for those who are less enlightened. It’s clearly a phrase that’s been spouted by the new superintendent and a consulting firm to which FCPS is paying a substantial sum of money.

OMG!!!! SOMEONE SAID A PHRASE!!!

Get a life, OP. Stop pushing your politics at the expense of our schools.

We all know who has been doing this for years, and it's the current crop of educrats and School Board members, and their overpaid consultants.

Yes, we know you want to keep the poors poor and will do anything you can to maintain status quo.

Promoting equal opportunities has been a laudable approach. Leveling the playing field by bringing down higher achieving kids and schools is a sure path to ruin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

Two other schools in FCPS made the same mistake, is there a count for how many schools nation wide forgot to distribute information from a third party? Has VADOE or the attorney general even bothered trying to see if this is wide spread?

“forgot” 🤦‍♂️

Sure, it's totally random that in a state with 132 districts, the state AG has chosen to investigate two that are run by the democrats where state republicans are trying to make inroads based on education. Just a fluke. I'm sure the rest of the state is doing great, it must be if there are no issues outside of the top two ranked districts in the state.

Exactly. They are willing to use our kids as pawns in their political games.

I see Democrats as using kids as pawns in their political games when they announce a commitment to "equal outcomes" that implies, without expressly saying, that merit and hard work matter less than looking for new ways to favor supposedly "marginalized" groups when it comes to allocating educational resources and opportunities.

Wanting more kids to succeed isn't a "political game" for most people. You are making assumptions based upon your own perspectives and motivations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is probably a fool's errand hoping for a rational and measured discussion on this topic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any insights on what "equal outcomes for every student, no exceptions" actually means.

Because just taken purely at face value, it makes no sense. If a single graduating FCPS student who wants to doesn't gain admission to George Mason or JMU (let alone UVA or a private), then we've failed to achieve equal outcomes if any FCPS student IS able to gain admission to those schools. If any single student scores higher on the SAT or CogAT or any other standardized test than any other student, we've failed to achieve equal outcomes. Clearly this interpretation would be unrealistic and entirely unachievable (nor desirable).

I feel like some disingenuous folks will say "Yes, that's exactly the insanity they're spewing!", but I'm convinced there has to be a more reasonable reality that this phrase is actually intended to represent, but I just don't happen to know what it is, and am hoping someone can constructively enlighten me as to what the actual intent or meaning behind this phrase is.

For me, this is akin to when the "Defund the police" slogan arrived on the scene, and the literal interpretation of fully withdrawing ALL police funding seemed like it would lead to anarchic-type outcomes like some version of "The Purge" and thus seemed similarly unrealistic. But then when you listened and realized that what the vast majority of folks were talking about with this phrase was acknowledging the brokenness of the current system, and for example shifting funding away from militarization of the police and reducing their scope to intervene for example in mental health crises, and instead funding more of those funds into appropirately-specialized community services (rather than treating the police as some sort of universal solution to all behavioral issues in society), it was like, "Oh... yeah that makes waaay more sense."

So what's the analog here? Do they actually mean "less disparate outcomes"? Or that each demographic group has "similar overall distributions of outcomes"? And most importantly, what are the means by which they intend to increase the equality of outcomes? Is it by investing more resources for those individuals or groups who are underperforming others? Or is it by reducing the investment in programs like AAP or TJ or anything that currently supports high-achievers in maximizing their own ceilings while in FCPS? I'd really like to understand this better, and appreciate any reasoned inputs.

You’re way overthinking this. Get a life.

DP, but if it’s so obvious explain it for those who are less enlightened. It’s clearly a phrase that’s been spouted by the new superintendent and a consulting firm to which FCPS is paying a substantial sum of money.

OMG!!!! SOMEONE SAID A PHRASE!!!

Get a life, OP. Stop pushing your politics at the expense of our schools.

We all know who has been doing this for years, and it's the current crop of educrats and School Board members, and their overpaid consultants.

Yes, we know you want to keep the poors poor and will do anything you can to maintain status quo.

Promoting equal opportunities has been a laudable approach. Leveling the playing field by bringing down higher achieving kids and schools is a sure path to ruin.

Pure Republican propaganda.

No one is "bringing down higher achieving kids and schools".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miyares is suing Fairfax county schools over the scholarship thing

He’s conducting an investigation that may or may not result in charges. Don’t think anyone has been sued or charged yet over this.

He’s conducting a politically motivated witch hunt.

yeah but denying kid’s a chance for scholarships because they aren’t of the right race for your feel good moment is fine .

Two other schools in FCPS made the same mistake, is there a count for how many schools nation wide forgot to distribute information from a third party? Has VADOE or the attorney general even bothered trying to see if this is wide spread?

“forgot” 🤦‍♂️

Sure, it's totally random that in a state with 132 districts, the state AG has chosen to investigate two that are run by the democrats where state republicans are trying to make inroads based on education. Just a fluke. I'm sure the rest of the state is doing great, it must be if there are no issues outside of the top two ranked districts in the state.

Exactly. They are willing to use our kids as pawns in their political games.

I see Democrats as using kids as pawns in their political games when they announce a commitment to "equal outcomes" that implies, without expressly saying, that merit and hard work matter less than looking for new ways to favor supposedly "marginalized" groups when it comes to allocating educational resources and opportunities.

Ok, why are almost all of the top schools in the state in districts run by democrats? Shouldn't republican devotion to achievement lead to amazing schools in Danville or Waynesboro?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is probably a fool's errand hoping for a rational and measured discussion on this topic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any insights on what "equal outcomes for every student, no exceptions" actually means.

Because just taken purely at face value, it makes no sense. If a single graduating FCPS student who wants to doesn't gain admission to George Mason or JMU (let alone UVA or a private), then we've failed to achieve equal outcomes if any FCPS student IS able to gain admission to those schools. If any single student scores higher on the SAT or CogAT or any other standardized test than any other student, we've failed to achieve equal outcomes. Clearly this interpretation would be unrealistic and entirely unachievable (nor desirable).

I feel like some disingenuous folks will say "Yes, that's exactly the insanity they're spewing!", but I'm convinced there has to be a more reasonable reality that this phrase is actually intended to represent, but I just don't happen to know what it is, and am hoping someone can constructively enlighten me as to what the actual intent or meaning behind this phrase is.

For me, this is akin to when the "Defund the police" slogan arrived on the scene, and the literal interpretation of fully withdrawing ALL police funding seemed like it would lead to anarchic-type outcomes like some version of "The Purge" and thus seemed similarly unrealistic. But then when you listened and realized that what the vast majority of folks were talking about with this phrase was acknowledging the brokenness of the current system, and for example shifting funding away from militarization of the police and reducing their scope to intervene for example in mental health crises, and instead funding more of those funds into appropirately-specialized community services (rather than treating the police as some sort of universal solution to all behavioral issues in society), it was like, "Oh... yeah that makes waaay more sense."

So what's the analog here? Do they actually mean "less disparate outcomes"? Or that each demographic group has "similar overall distributions of outcomes"? And most importantly, what are the means by which they intend to increase the equality of outcomes? Is it by investing more resources for those individuals or groups who are underperforming others? Or is it by reducing the investment in programs like AAP or TJ or anything that currently supports high-achievers in maximizing their own ceilings while in FCPS? I'd really like to understand this better, and appreciate any reasoned inputs.

You’re way overthinking this. Get a life.

DP, but if it’s so obvious explain it for those who are less enlightened. It’s clearly a phrase that’s been spouted by the new superintendent and a consulting firm to which FCPS is paying a substantial sum of money.

OMG!!!! SOMEONE SAID A PHRASE!!!

Get a life, OP. Stop pushing your politics at the expense of our schools.

We all know who has been doing this for years, and it's the current crop of educrats and School Board members, and their overpaid consultants.

Yes, we know you want to keep the poors poor and will do anything you can to maintain status quo.

Promoting equal opportunities has been a laudable approach. Leveling the playing field by bringing down higher achieving kids and schools is a sure path to ruin.

Pure Republican propaganda.

No one is "bringing down higher achieving kids and schools".

"Equal outcomes for all students, without exception" either is meaningless puffery or is only feasible by bringing down higher achieving kids and schools.

We deserve school leaders who avoid clichés and mean what they say.