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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

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Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

Okay. Name all of the anti-bike lane on CT candidates that won. If you can't then bike lanes on CT move forward.

Rick Nash.

That is it. And he lives off Wisconsin Avenue, but happens to be in 3C where Connecticut ave is the focus.

The most important left winger in the entire city government, Elissa Silverman, was thrown out on her ear and replaced with a business friendly centrist Democrat.

Yeah. Browser and the pro business democrats are for bike lane. NYC proved that bike lanes and pedestrian areas are more profitable for the city. Expect bowser and co to continue more bike lanes and pedestrian areas.

Businesses hate bike lanes because they make it harder for people to move about the city, which means they have fewer customers. Not really seeing how NYC is analogous to DC. NYC has a massive subway system that everyone uses. We don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

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Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

how exactly are they “taking it upon themselves”? are they doing things outside their statutory mandate?

I am very interested in my ANC representative's position on things like telling me when the city will pick up our leaves and why these contractors are reserving all the parking spots on our street.

I am not interested in their position on how we should allocate our scarce transportation resources or what tax rates should be or any other substantive public policy matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

Okay. Name all of the anti-bike lane on CT candidates that won. If you can't then bike lanes on CT move forward.

Rick Nash.

That is it. And he lives off Wisconsin Avenue, but happens to be in 3C where Connecticut ave is the focus.

The most important left winger in the entire city government, Elissa Silverman, was thrown out on her ear and replaced with a business friendly centrist Democrat.

Elissa Silverman lost a lot of votes not as she claims because big money funded an opponent but because of the way she supported the ANC redistricting task force which was to many observers undemocratic. She didn’t want to hear why DC residents objected to the gerrymandering taking place, the tilted composition of the task force, and she sent obnoxious responses to voters who lodged complaints. That kind of treatment turns people off. I voted for her in the past but not this time and never again.

She udner performed across the city and particularly east of the river. Her loss has less than nothing to do with bike lanes, which she probably never mentioned once in the last 8 months.

DP. You seem to be too infatuated with bike lanes, because your response appears to be a non-sequitor to the PP who was pointing out that people maybe were not happy with her role and behavior as part of the redistributing task force. Unless you think that was somehow specifically about bike lanes? There is another PP mentioning that Silverman never talks about bike lanes, so how could her work on redistricting be about something that she never talks about?

I think you might have missed the most important point, which was the PP saying, “she sent obnoxious responses to voters who lodged complaints.” People objecting to her behavior has been a pretty consistent them of complaints lodged against her, not anything policy related.

I don't know who is responding to whom at this point but I was an earlier poster.

Elissa is a progressive and while I think she was definitely pro-bike lane it was something that was not a priority for her and she barely ever spoke up about so I really don't think it impacted her re-election one way or the other.

Having dealt with her I will echo the above comment that she was a bit obnoxious though I was not sure it if was arrogance of flightiness but she always struck me as someone who was in way over her heard on the DC Council and this scandal about the Ward 3 poll to me provided further evidence of that.

But I really doubt the poll or the re-districting had much to do with the results - I think Bonds and McDuffie consolidated the black vote while McLaughlin got 10% of the white vote which primarily came from Silverman and doomed her.

I was pretty underwhelmed with the entire field, especially Bonds who has no business being on the DC Council at all.

It is quite insulting to say that Black voters vote by race. The truth is that Black voters will loyally support white politicians when they have a reason to do so. If Silverman had spent any amount of time over the last 4 years building alliances in Wards 7 and 8 instead of creating enemies, she would have won re-election. It is that simple. But that would have involved two things that were impossible for her. First and foremost was to listen to people and second would be to put others priorities ahead of her own.

You must be new here.

Of course people in DC vote by race.

You can look at the precinct results in any contested race to see that that is true, particularly Silverman.

They don't strictly vote by race and voters do of course frequently vote across racial lines but I think Silverman was a candidate who really struggled to attract non-white votes.

I think race becomes a bigger issue in these contests with a lot of candidates when everyone has limited exposure to the candidates and limited interest in learning about where they stand.

You almost found the point. Silverman has struggled to attract non-white votes in a way that many other white politicians have not had a similar problem. It is a Silverman problem, not a Black people only vote for Black politicians problem. Unless you have a better explanation for why Mendelson is so popular EOTR and why Erin Palmer was doing election day photo ops there yesterday trying to “put in the work”.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

ANC representatives need to stick to their lane. We're not interested in their opinions on how much the city should spend on Medicaid or what to do with parole violators or what environmental standards restaurants should follow or how much to tax businesses or how much to pay teachers or what they think about any form of transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

Okay. Name all of the anti-bike lane on CT candidates that won. If you can't then bike lanes on CT move forward.

Rick Nash.

That is it. And he lives off Wisconsin Avenue, but happens to be in 3C where Connecticut ave is the focus.

The most important left winger in the entire city government, Elissa Silverman, was thrown out on her ear and replaced with a business friendly centrist Democrat.

Yeah. Browser and the pro business democrats are for bike lane. NYC proved that bike lanes and pedestrian areas are more profitable for the city. Expect bowser and co to continue more bike lanes and pedestrian areas.

Businesses hate bike lanes because they make it harder for people to move about the city, which means they have fewer customers. Not really seeing how NYC is analogous to DC. NYC has a massive subway system that everyone uses. We don't.

1) there is no evidence bike lanes harm businesses, and to the contrary, it is at worst, neutral if not accretive
2) it is far easier to "move about the city" by biking than driving. cheaper and no pollution too

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

Okay. Name all of the anti-bike lane on CT candidates that won. If you can't then bike lanes on CT move forward.

Rick Nash.

That is it. And he lives off Wisconsin Avenue, but happens to be in 3C where Connecticut ave is the focus.

The most important left winger in the entire city government, Elissa Silverman, was thrown out on her ear and replaced with a business friendly centrist Democrat.

Yeah. Browser and the pro business democrats are for bike lane. NYC proved that bike lanes and pedestrian areas are more profitable for the city. Expect bowser and co to continue more bike lanes and pedestrian areas.

Businesses hate bike lanes because they make it harder for people to move about the city, which means they have fewer customers. Not really seeing how NYC is analogous to DC. NYC has a massive subway system that everyone uses. We don't.

1) there is no evidence bike lanes harm businesses, and to the contrary, it is at worst, neutral if not accretive
2) it is far easier to "move about the city" by biking than driving. cheaper and no pollution too

This isn't rocket science. Bike lanes make traffic worse (isn't that kind of the point?). The bike lobby would have you believe that if we make traffic worse, people will switch to bikes from cars. But that's obviously nonsense. People will just stop going to areas that are too difficult to reach. That's not good for businesses or anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

Okay. Name all of the anti-bike lane on CT candidates that won. If you can't then bike lanes on CT move forward.

Rick Nash.

That is it. And he lives off Wisconsin Avenue, but happens to be in 3C where Connecticut ave is the focus.

The most important left winger in the entire city government, Elissa Silverman, was thrown out on her ear and replaced with a business friendly centrist Democrat.

Yeah. Browser and the pro business democrats are for bike lane. NYC proved that bike lanes and pedestrian areas are more profitable for the city. Expect bowser and co to continue more bike lanes and pedestrian areas.

Businesses hate bike lanes because they make it harder for people to move about the city, which means they have fewer customers. Not really seeing how NYC is analogous to DC. NYC has a massive subway system that everyone uses. We don't.

1) there is no evidence bike lanes harm businesses, and to the contrary, it is at worst, neutral if not accretive
2) it is far easier to "move about the city" by biking than driving. cheaper and no pollution too

This isn't rocket science. Bike lanes make traffic worse (isn't that kind of the point?). The bike lobby would have you believe that if we make traffic worse, people will switch to bikes from cars. But that's obviously nonsense. People will just stop going to areas that are too difficult to reach. That's not good for businesses or anyone else.

Did you know that in cleveland park, the overwhelming majority of customers to the local businesses walk and bike? They don't drive. Very few of them. Did you know that? So...given that basic information, how do bike lanes hurt the businesses in cleveland ark?

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

DDOT conducted a study and asked the ANC's to weigh in on it. After the ANCs weighed in, the ANC's were given 4 options from DDOT and DDOT asked the ANCs to choose among the options. ALL of the ANCs asked for the same option.

What is the problem with that?

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

Okay. Name all of the anti-bike lane on CT candidates that won. If you can't then bike lanes on CT move forward.

Rick Nash.

That is it. And he lives off Wisconsin Avenue, but happens to be in 3C where Connecticut ave is the focus.

The most important left winger in the entire city government, Elissa Silverman, was thrown out on her ear and replaced with a business friendly centrist Democrat.

Yeah. Browser and the pro business democrats are for bike lane. NYC proved that bike lanes and pedestrian areas are more profitable for the city. Expect bowser and co to continue more bike lanes and pedestrian areas.

Businesses hate bike lanes because they make it harder for people to move about the city, which means they have fewer customers. Not really seeing how NYC is analogous to DC. NYC has a massive subway system that everyone uses. We don't.

1) there is no evidence bike lanes harm businesses, and to the contrary, it is at worst, neutral if not accretive
2) it is far easier to "move about the city" by biking than driving. cheaper and no pollution too

This isn't rocket science. Bike lanes make traffic worse (isn't that kind of the point?). The bike lobby would have you believe that if we make traffic worse, people will switch to bikes from cars. But that's obviously nonsense. People will just stop going to areas that are too difficult to reach. That's not good for businesses or anyone else.

If that were true then the areas like 14th st would be the worst place to start a business which is obviously not the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

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Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

So you would be wrong about the vote unless they held it at a meeting that was not publicly noticed and at which the public was not allowed to attend - did that happen?

ANC reps are allowed to attend meetings organized by other groups - if that were against the rules there would be 20 years of violations from the outgoing long time 3C member who openly wore many hats.

ANC's are not in any manner limited to what issues they can take up at meetings and there is no "mandate" limiting that.

And please share the citation about consensus views - the ANC vote represents the "consensus" of the ANC - in case you are not aware consensus does not mean unanimity of the ANC or the community.

I'll check back later in case you can provide some actual examples of inappropriate or unethical behavior by your ANC.