Americans using their ancestry to gain European citizenship - 40% of Americans eligible

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Anonymous wrote:The whites returning to Europe is beneficial and important to achieving land-back goals.

If you are white, you are living on stolen land.

Only white people? Explain that.

Sigh.

Start here, boomer:

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/10/1127837659/native-land-map-ancestral-tribal-lands-worldwide

I think PP was saying all POC are living on stolen land, except for the POC indigenous folks. Not white people. Everyone.

Huh? No, I am just pushing back on your fetishization of the "Noble Savage."

You know that some of these indigenous people stole the land from and slaughtered other indigenous people, right?

DP.. this is like saying, "Rs and Ds are fighting and killing each other, so it's fine for the Russians to come and wipe both Rs and Ds, and take the US for themselves".

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Go ahead and flame me, but with their low birthrates, they should want immigrants who are of their ethnic origin there to help preserve their cultures rather than immigrants who are of vastly different cultures who won’t carry on the traditions they have been building for over 1,000 years.

DP.. sort of, yes. Several countries like Italy and Portugal have a declining birth rate.

Portugal has the golden visa program, but it has become so popular that they had to up the financial threshold.

Years back when Syrians were fleeing the war there, Portugal wanted some refugees to settle in some places in there.

There are Italian towns that will pay people to move there.

But, yea, I'm sure there would be a tipping point where they wouldn't want anymore foreigners. Mexico is going through that now with "Americans go home" due to so many American retirees moving there.. How's that for some irony.

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Anonymous wrote:The whites returning to Europe is beneficial and important to achieving land-back goals.

If you are white, you are living on stolen land.

Only white people? Explain that.

Sigh.

Start here, boomer:

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/10/1127837659/native-land-map-ancestral-tribal-lands-worldwide

I think PP was saying all POC are living on stolen land, except for the POC indigenous folks. Not white people. Everyone.

You know that some of these indigenous people stole the land from and slaughtered other indigenous people, right?

History of Comanche conquests is interesting. They began in Canada and worked their way south well into Mexico. They were terrorizing the Mexicans, the Mexicans and the Americans in the Southwest into the 1900s.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I got the worst of both worlds - my US ancestry goes too far back to qualify for any of these but my ancestors squandered all their opportunities for generational wealth and power.

If I'm going to be too blueblooded to leave this dumpster fire of a country I should at least be allowed to be part of the aristocracy.

Same here. I'm stuck here.

My Scotch-Irish ancestors have been here since the early 1700s. But we settled in Appalachia, not New England. My Polish ancestors left before "modern" Poland existed.

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Anonymous wrote:I've looked into it. It can get a little tricky because borders have moved.

For instance, my grandparents were Polish, and came over to America in the late 1800s when all these present-day-countries were under the Austro-Hungarian Empire. However, after WW2 the lines were redrawn and their villages are now in the Western Ukraine. So does that mean we look toward Polish citizenship or Ukrainian? Messy!

Based on what I know, neither would be viable options for you unless your ancestors returned to their villages post WWI. Otherwise as far as citizenship, they were never Polish or Ukrainian citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m eligible for Italy. We started collecting all the paperwork but paused after we hit a snag in getting my ancestor’s Italian birth certificate. Original records were apparently lost in a fire and don’t know if I can still get it without that.

Before you hit the snag, how hard was it to do? I’m realizing I need to start the process myself. I’m very interested in this and my elderly parents were going to start gathering documents as a hobby but never got around to it. My great grandparents came here from Italy and never became American citizens. I need to start researching how to find records.

I am the PP who already submitted my paperwork. It can be very easy or incredibly hard, it's very case by case. Took me a few years to get my hands on everything I needed, but you might have an easier time. Things that were snags for me:

--NYC couldn't find my GGF BC for over a year
-- I didn't know the exact date of death for my GGGparents in order to get their DCs
--it takes over a year to get the USCIS package with the naturalization stuff; NARA was closed for Covid on and off and they too had a huge backlog, however I got the NARA package early on to provide me some details for my search of other docs
--My comune in Sicily suffered various natural disasters and as a result the record books of some of my records were destroyed. I had to hire various italian researchers to help get letters and stuff explaining this. I also combed through microfilm on familysearch.org to find unoffical second copies of the records
--I attempted to correct all name discrepancies before my appointment. Hilarity ensued.

I can't stress enough how helpful the facebook group is if you are attempting to do this. If you've got the cash, there are services that will do this for you, but after having done it myself I am not sure a service would have gone as far as I did to solve all my issues. When I presented my stuff at my appointment I was accepted "without homework," so the years of hard work paid off (finger's crossed).

As long as the final review of my application does not get flagged for anything, in about 2.5 years I will have citizenship as well as my two small children. If my DH wants it he needs to pass a language exam and then apply through marriage after I am fully recognized. We discuss the concept of moving there all the time. When I started my records search I had no children and it was just a fun side hobby to see if I could complete the daunting task (I like research). Now, we both think it is incredibly useful and seriously think about a future where we move there permanently to get our kids out of here.

Interesting.
Did you and kids take a language test (that's required for DH)?

DH has applied for Ireland but I haven't yet seen a hook for the kids (or me - I'm think my ancestors are one too many generations in US).

Children under 18 just get registered as citizens automatically when I am. Children over 18 have to go through the process on their own, though some consulates allow various "piggy back" situations. In neither case do you need to pass the language test because you are not becoming a citizen, you are just requesting to have your birth-given citizenship recognized.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Go ahead and flame me, but with their low birthrates, they should want immigrants who are of their ethnic origin there to help preserve their cultures rather than immigrants who are of vastly different cultures who won’t carry on the traditions they have been building for over 1,000 years.

Sure kids and young adults that will remain and help with the labor force and pay taxes, absolutely.
Older folks who are near retirement age that are getting ready to use up a good chunk of a single payer healthcare system they never paid into?
I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Go ahead and flame me, but with their low birthrates, they should want immigrants who are of their ethnic origin there to help preserve their cultures rather than immigrants who are of vastly different cultures who won’t carry on the traditions they have been building for over 1,000 years.

Sure kids and young adults that will remain and help with the labor force and pay taxes, absolutely.
Older folks who are near retirement age that are getting ready to use up a good chunk of a single payer healthcare system they never paid into?
I doubt it.

It is hardly just older people doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Go ahead and flame me, but with their low birthrates, they should want immigrants who are of their ethnic origin there to help preserve their cultures rather than immigrants who are of vastly different cultures who won’t carry on the traditions they have been building for over 1,000 years.

Sure kids and young adults that will remain and help with the labor force and pay taxes, absolutely.
Older folks who are near retirement age that are getting ready to use up a good chunk of a single payer healthcare system they never paid into?
I doubt it.

Again when I looked into this out of curiosity several years ago, not having paid taxes in the “old” country had implications/limitations. You may not get all the benefits other citizens enjoy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people do this? To move to the EU?

Because the US is becoming an oppressive oligarchy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtkPacTl64I

To us, it's the political landscape. It has turned very ugly.

My spouse is a dual citizen with the UK, and so are our kids. We have started looking into moving there for a few years at some point after the kids finish college. For my spouse, it started with GWB, and then went completely downhill with Trump.

This just gives us options, which I'm very grateful for.

I never thought 1/6 would ever happen, but it did. 1/6 and the current climate of Rs questioning and threatening the foundation of our democracy just shows me how unstable our democracy really is.

And I used to be a R.

Are you paying attention to what's goin on in the UK?

Different poster here, the UK could go down in flames too, but it's good to have options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Go ahead and flame me, but with their low birthrates, they should want immigrants who are of their ethnic origin there to help preserve their cultures rather than immigrants who are of vastly different cultures who won’t carry on the traditions they have been building for over 1,000 years.

Sure kids and young adults that will remain and help with the labor force and pay taxes, absolutely.
Older folks who are near retirement age that are getting ready to use up a good chunk of a single payer healthcare system they never paid into?
I doubt it.

Again when I looked into this out of curiosity several years ago, not having paid taxes in the “old” country had implications/limitations. You may not get all the benefits other citizens enjoy.

Here's the thing: even if you have to pay private oop, it's till a heck of a lot cheaper there than here as far as medical care is concerned.

[Anonymous]

I’m one of those whose European ancestors came far too early to qualify for anything. From what I understand, my husband could regain citizenship in the non-European country of his birth without too much hassle, but he’s not super interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Go ahead and flame me, but with their low birthrates, they should want immigrants who are of their ethnic origin there to help preserve their cultures rather than immigrants who are of vastly different cultures who won’t carry on the traditions they have been building for over 1,000 years.

Sure kids and young adults that will remain and help with the labor force and pay taxes, absolutely.
Older folks who are near retirement age that are getting ready to use up a good chunk of a single payer healthcare system they never paid into?
I doubt it.

Again when I looked into this out of curiosity several years ago, not having paid taxes in the “old” country had implications/limitations. You may not get all the benefits other citizens enjoy.

This is not the case in Italy. In fact, in the process of Jure Sanguinis, one is not "applying" for citizenship. Rather one is already an Italian citizen through bloodline, and you are proving to the Italian government through documentation that you are a citizen. That's why citizenship is "recognized" and there is no formal oath or swearing in, as there is when one obtains citizenship through marriage. If one moves to Italy after having citizenship recognized, they will be paying Italian taxes there as well and will have access to all benefits of citizens.

I'm one of the PPs who is in the JS process in Italy right now and I have done extensive research on this!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those whose European ancestors came far too early to qualify for anything. From what I understand, my husband could regain citizenship in the non-European country of his birth without too much hassle, but he’s not super interested.

Is it India?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Go ahead and flame me, but with their low birthrates, they should want immigrants who are of their ethnic origin there to help preserve their cultures rather than immigrants who are of vastly different cultures who won’t carry on the traditions they have been building for over 1,000 years.

Sure kids and young adults that will remain and help with the labor force and pay taxes, absolutely.
Older folks who are near retirement age that are getting ready to use up a good chunk of a single payer healthcare system they never paid into?
I doubt it.

Again when I looked into this out of curiosity several years ago, not having paid taxes in the “old” country had implications/limitations. You may not get all the benefits other citizens enjoy.

This is not the case in Italy. In fact, in the process of Jure Sanguinis, one is not "applying" for citizenship. Rather one is already an Italian citizen through bloodline, and you are proving to the Italian government through documentation that you are a citizen. That's why citizenship is "recognized" and there is no formal oath or swearing in, as there is when one obtains citizenship through marriage. If one moves to Italy after having citizenship recognized, they will be paying Italian taxes there as well and will have access to all benefits of citizens.

I'm one of the PPs who is in the JS process in Italy right now and I have done extensive research on this!

So unlike US social security, you can get max benefits even though in a way you’ve been delinquent on Italian taxes?