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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

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Anonymous wrote:North Kensington is still mostly in the 550k range and you have the choice between Wheaton and Grosvenor metro stations. Schools are Rock View ES/Newport Mill MS/Einstein HS

I’d recommend broadening it out even more in Wheaton, accessible to the Wheaton metro. It’s easy to find parking at the Wheaton metro county garage. I live in the area and know people with kids at various schools, all happy (including us). I think anywhere in the Einstein cluster would be good. Some of the schools feed into Northwood, which I know less about other than it’s getting a new building sometime in the next few years. Wheaton HS has a biomedical magnet program. All good options.

Both Einstein and Wheaton are great options.

DC just graduated from Wheaton's ENGR program and is attending a T10 ENGR program in the fall. It was a lot of work but helped them grow so much.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I think we see this more in K because that's when kids are being identified as needing different kinds of support are working their way through the system. If they came out of HeadStart or PEP, they might already be flagged as needing an aide or a different kind of placement, but if they arrived on day one of kindergarten with no prior interaction with the school system, it can take a while to plug in the right number/type of supports. If the parents don't want those supports, the situation gets even harder.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

PSA: Parents at East Silver Spring ES are totally ok with kindergartners being so unsupervised that they wander off campus and want you to think it's totally normal.

Also, PSA: If your school can't keep their youngest kids on campus, you're in trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

PSA: Parents at East Silver Spring ES are totally ok with kindergartners being so unsupervised that they wander off campus and want you to think it's totally normal.

Also, PSA: If your school can't keep their youngest kids on campus, you're in trouble.

I'll agree this is an unfortunate isolated incident but pales to the systemic problems at schools like the W's where kids are running around in black face or handing out n*ward cards.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

PSA: Parents at East Silver Spring ES are totally ok with kindergartners being so unsupervised that they wander off campus and want you to think it's totally normal.

Also, PSA: If your school can't keep their youngest kids on campus, you're in trouble.

I think it's more like this. Parents at East Silver Spring ES are aware that this child had eloped multiple times already and each time was followed by an aide or the assistant principal herself. That happened again here. Every single ESS parent would also tell you that the police officers' behavior was sickening, and that the AP's failure to step in was outrageous.

However, the child was not unsupervised. He didn't "sneak away." He eloped, the AP followed, and called the police becuase that's protocol. The fact that the responding officers were abusive monsters was just bad luck.

I'd love to know how MCPS writ large deals with these sorts of things moving forward. What bystander training are they offering administrators for dealing with bad cops? What are they telling principals and APs to do when the police are behaving badly on school grounds? What if the parents are present and supportive of the way the police are behaving? What are the dynamics of stepping in as a white person when the cops and the parents are all Black and seemingly on one page about the "punishment?"

This isn't about one bad school or one bad administrator. It's about a system in which parents can block appropriate placements, where bad cops are left to roam the streets unimpeded, where administrators don't know how to advocate for the kids in their care when the bad actor is a police officer, and where young and inexperienced white administrators are given charge of global majority schools.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

PSA: Parents at East Silver Spring ES are totally ok with kindergartners being so unsupervised that they wander off campus and want you to think it's totally normal.

Also, PSA: If your school can't keep their youngest kids on campus, you're in trouble.

I think it's more like this. Parents at East Silver Spring ES are aware that this child had eloped multiple times already and each time was followed by an aide or the assistant principal herself. That happened again here. Every single ESS parent would also tell you that the police officers' behavior was sickening, and that the AP's failure to step in was outrageous.

However, the child was not unsupervised. He didn't "sneak away." He eloped, the AP followed, and called the police becuase that's protocol. The fact that the responding officers were abusive monsters was just bad luck.

I'd love to know how MCPS writ large deals with these sorts of things moving forward. What bystander training are they offering administrators for dealing with bad cops? What are they telling principals and APs to do when the police are behaving badly on school grounds? What if the parents are present and supportive of the way the police are behaving? What are the dynamics of stepping in as a white person when the cops and the parents are all Black and seemingly on one page about the "punishment?"

This isn't about one bad school or one bad administrator. It's about a system in which parents can block appropriate placements, where bad cops are left to roam the streets unimpeded, where administrators don't know how to advocate for the kids in their care when the bad actor is a police officer, and where young and inexperienced white administrators are given charge of global majority schools.

Thank you, PP. Very well said.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

PSA: Parents at East Silver Spring ES are totally ok with kindergartners being so unsupervised that they wander off campus and want you to think it's totally normal.

Also, PSA: If your school can't keep their youngest kids on campus, you're in trouble.

I think it's more like this. Parents at East Silver Spring ES are aware that this child had eloped multiple times already and each time was followed by an aide or the assistant principal herself. That happened again here. Every single ESS parent would also tell you that the police officers' behavior was sickening, and that the AP's failure to step in was outrageous.

However, the child was not unsupervised. He didn't "sneak away." He eloped, the AP followed, and called the police becuase that's protocol. The fact that the responding officers were abusive monsters was just bad luck.

I'd love to know how MCPS writ large deals with these sorts of things moving forward. What bystander training are they offering administrators for dealing with bad cops? What are they telling principals and APs to do when the police are behaving badly on school grounds? What if the parents are present and supportive of the way the police are behaving? What are the dynamics of stepping in as a white person when the cops and the parents are all Black and seemingly on one page about the "punishment?"

This isn't about one bad school or one bad administrator. It's about a system in which parents can block appropriate placements, where bad cops are left to roam the streets unimpeded, where administrators don't know how to advocate for the kids in their care when the bad actor is a police officer, and where young and inexperienced white administrators are given charge of global majority schools.

Thank you, PP. Very well said.

I honestly cannot believe people watched that video and thought the mom was in the right. She was disgusting herself. This kid was failed by the school, the police, AND his mom.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

PSA: Parents at East Silver Spring ES are totally ok with kindergartners being so unsupervised that they wander off campus and want you to think it's totally normal.

Also, PSA: If your school can't keep their youngest kids on campus, you're in trouble.

I'll agree this is an unfortunate isolated incident but pales to the systemic problems at schools like the W's where kids are running around in black face or handing out n*ward cards.

There is a well documented pattern of racially motivated hate incidents at the W's. Kids in black face or the n*word cards were two of many that have been discussed on these boards in recent years. I'm really shocked the administration hasn't done more to address this hostile environment. I'm guessing it stems from the fact that these schools are so segregated.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM always comes back to Blair and the Ws.

It's well documented that many W parents suffer from Blair envy.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

+1 Having (sadly) watched the whole tape, the AP failed to protect the child from the verbal abuse by the police, but she did not herself engage in any abuse. Standing on the sidelines of police violence is inappropriate, but let's keep the discussion within the realm of facts.

The principal was offsite at a meeting. A child left campus and was followed the entire way by the assistant principal, who was mandated by MCPS policy to call the police rather than trying to physically apprehend the eloping child. Then, the police picked the child up down the road (again, with the AP right there) and the police verbally abused the child for more than an hour. For a lot of that time, the child's mother was in the room participating in the abuse.

The bad guys in this story are the police, who did not face repercussions for their actions. The AP and the mother were both bystanders, and again should have stepped in, but PP"s narrative is just not truthful.

The AP deserved to lose her job for standing by, even if the mother was on board, but that was the extent of it.

Funny. I saw the whole tape too. And saw ESS administrators standing by AND participating in the torment of a FIVE YEAR OLD. Also, how are you glossing over the fact that this child managed to walk off the school property?!? What kind of supervision - or lack there of - led to that? OP, so your research. Lots of great ES pyramids in the DCC - many of them already posted. Avoid ESS at all costs.

Kids walk off school property. It's a thing that can happen. They followed the kid and called police, which is the policy they're supposed to follow.

A five year old child walking off school property is unacceptable. Will say it again: UNACCEPTABLE.

OP, many awesome DCC schools - my kids have been very happy and successful at two ES that route to Einstein. Please, do not send your child to ESS. Do your research.

Yes, it's unacceptable. But staff isn't allowed to physically restrain a kid without special training (don't know if they had CPI staff available) and can't lock - or even block - the doors.

I've worked with several eloping K-3 kids. I'd run ahead of them when they got close to the property line to redirect them, and remind them that we'd have to call the police if they left. It always worked.

But if a kid slips out without being seen, that won't work. And if you think 2 or 3 staffers can keep an eye on each and every kid in a classroom you're dreaming. MCPS isn't running a prison system.

I’ve had three kids in MCPS from K on. Never an incident of a five year old running off property. And yes, I think 2-3 staffers (aka teachers and paras) should absolutely be able to watch their class (in K) and ensure no child is wandering off for the very reason that it’s their JOB.

DCUM maxim: what works for my kid works for everyone's kid!
And its corollary: what doesn't work for my kid doesn't work for anyone's kid!

PSA: Parents at East Silver Spring ES are totally ok with kindergartners being so unsupervised that they wander off campus and want you to think it's totally normal.

Also, PSA: If your school can't keep their youngest kids on campus, you're in trouble.

I think it's more like this. Parents at East Silver Spring ES are aware that this child had eloped multiple times already and each time was followed by an aide or the assistant principal herself. That happened again here. Every single ESS parent would also tell you that the police officers' behavior was sickening, and that the AP's failure to step in was outrageous.

However, the child was not unsupervised. He didn't "sneak away." He eloped, the AP followed, and called the police becuase that's protocol. The fact that the responding officers were abusive monsters was just bad luck.

I'd love to know how MCPS writ large deals with these sorts of things moving forward. What bystander training are they offering administrators for dealing with bad cops? What are they telling principals and APs to do when the police are behaving badly on school grounds? What if the parents are present and supportive of the way the police are behaving? What are the dynamics of stepping in as a white person when the cops and the parents are all Black and seemingly on one page about the "punishment?"

This isn't about one bad school or one bad administrator. It's about a system in which parents can block appropriate placements, where bad cops are left to roam the streets unimpeded, where administrators don't know how to advocate for the kids in their care when the bad actor is a police officer, and where young and inexperienced white administrators are given charge of global majority schools.

Thank you, PP. Very well said.

I honestly cannot believe people watched that video and thought the mom was in the right. She was disgusting herself. This kid was failed by the school, the police, AND his mom.

Where are you getting that from? Nobody said the mom was in the right.

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Anonymous wrote:East Silver Spring elementary school also feeds to Takoma Park MS and Blair. It's a smaller school than TPES/PBES.

OP here. We haven't seen a single house in ESS elementary, so maybe that area is out of our budget?

How about this one? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8407-Galveston-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283393_zpid/?

OP AVOID East Silver Spring at ALL costs. A five year old was neglected by the school staff, managed to wander of campus, and then verbally berated by the principal and staff and tormented by the police. It was all over the news. Absolutely horrific incident. Do not send your children to this school.

That was indeed a horrible incident, but no, it was not the principal, it was an AP, and she no longer works there. The police officers involved were the worst offenders here, and their behavior is not the fault of the school. ESS is a great school and community despite this isolated, terrible incident.

It seems like someone's trying really hard to throw shade on these places, but yes unfortunately things like this happen at all schools. I heard about a knife fight in the parking lot of Churchill last year. It's sad but true.

These incidents aren't limited to just one area and do happen everywhere despite what some posters like to pretend.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM always comes back to Blair and the Ws.

It's well documented that many W parents suffer from Blair envy.

Do parents envy the stabbings or the murder?

2021:
Student Charged With Attempted Murder in Blair High School Stabbing
https://www.mymcmedia.org/student-charged-with-attempted-murder-in-blair-high-school-stabbing/

2022:
Montgomery Blair High School, went into lockdown after one student was stabbed by another student in the school’s Colesville-side parking lot
https://www.kristinmink.com/post/statement-on-stabbing-at-mbhs

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^^ or the missing 14-year-old girl?

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2559956257192/concern-for-missing-blair-high-school-student