Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Calvin University is a private college in western Michigan. Tuition and fees are $38,370, so even if the prisoners get full $6,895 year pell grant, that's a lot of free scholarships or however it's provided.

In other words, convicted criminals get free college and rich kids get free college from their parents, of course, while low and middle class kid are soaked with an average of $30,000 in student loans for a state university degree (it's about $35,000 for a private bachelor's). This seems extremely unfair, yet the media champions it.

Detroit Free Press: Caps, gowns and barbed wire: First-ever college graduation in prison was joyous celebration
https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2022/05/09/prison-graduation-handlon-correctional-facility/9708357002/

You must be fun at parties

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Learn more about the college ~ Calvin College
I bet Op isn't educated enough to understand it's origin

Calvin as in Calvinists, as in literally worship money and believe those who have the most money are closer to and/or chosen by God? And those that don't deserve their lot in life, as God intended?

That is a bizarre theological interpretation. Calvinist as is ministering to those who need it. Who says they put prisoners before the poor. the Bible identifies many who need help. Calvin is following Biblical principles here, and I am sure they are helping the poor, orphans/widows, etc.

I know lots of wonderful Calvin grads. They are not like Betsy DeVos (though there are some of those too).

^^^
This thread is wild. Only on DCUM do we get a pack of angry posters coming back over and over again to yell about 20 students a year, across the entire state, getting the chance to earn a free degree from a private Christian school that's carrying out it's own mission.

We believe God is redeeming even the darkest places of society. There is no corner of creation that cannot be touched by the power of the gospel. By attempting to transform prison culture, we hope to not only restore peace and shalom within prisons, but also within our local neighborhoods and communities.

[Anonymous]

College graduations have been happening in NY prisons for years via private colleges. I have been lucky enough to volunteer with the programs and attend many of the ceremonies in Ossining Correctional Facility (formerly, but more famously, Sing Sing Prison).
Recidivism rates for the graduates are close to zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe instead of getting upset that inmates are learning so they can become productive members of society, you should be getting upset that college costs so much for everybody else.

I agree. College should be free for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Learn more about the college ~ Calvin College
I bet Op isn't educated enough to understand it's origin

Calvin as in Calvinists, as in literally worship money and believe those who have the most money are closer to and/or chosen by God? And those that don't deserve their lot in life, as God intended?

That is a bizarre theological interpretation. Calvinist as is ministering to those who need it. Who says they put prisoners before the poor. the Bible identifies many who need help. Calvin is following Biblical principles here, and I am sure they are helping the poor, orphans/widows, etc.

I know lots of wonderful Calvin grads. They are not like Betsy DeVos (though there are some of those too).

^^^
This thread is wild. Only on DCUM do we get a pack of angry posters coming back over and over again to yell about 20 students a year, across the entire state, getting the chance to earn a free degree from a private Christian school that's carrying out it's own mission.

We believe God is redeeming even the darkest places of society. There is no corner of creation that cannot be touched by the power of the gospel. By attempting to transform prison culture, we hope to not only restore peace and shalom within prisons, but also within our local neighborhoods and communities.

What does the Bible say of usury and interest? Yet this "Christian school" lets their poor and middle class students leave campus and begin adulthood $23,000 in the hole plus vigorish. But it's okay, they gave a few free degrees to local felons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to gov scorecard, the average LAB-ABIDING middle class kid leaves Calvin University with $23,000 in student loans.

While CONVICTED CRIMINALS get a free bachelor's degree.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?169080-Calvin-University

Pell Grants covers 60% of the program, so we know that the total cost per pupil for this program is around $11,500 or about 1/3 of the cost of tuition at Calvin. Calvin also provides financial aid for students of, on average, $23,000. Students are Calvin are getting a much more expensive (and valuable) program, with, on average, more being paid for them by other people (grants, aid, etc.) than the entire cost of the program for prisoners.

In other words, convicted felons are given 66% off tuition while poor and middle class families are told to pay 100% with tens of thousands of dollars in student loans. Low and middle class young adults are put in debt to subsidize this virtue-signaling.

Poor kids qualify for pell grants. My riend who is lower middle class has 2 kids going to school for practically free between Pell and merit.

The maximum Pell grant is $6,495 per year. That doesn't cover much college, generally just CC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Learn more about the college ~ Calvin College
I bet Op isn't educated enough to understand it's origin

Calvin as in Calvinists, as in literally worship money and believe those who have the most money are closer to and/or chosen by God? And those that don't deserve their lot in life, as God intended?

That is a bizarre theological interpretation. Calvinist as is ministering to those who need it. Who says they put prisoners before the poor. the Bible identifies many who need help. Calvin is following Biblical principles here, and I am sure they are helping the poor, orphans/widows, etc.

I know lots of wonderful Calvin grads. They are not like Betsy DeVos (though there are some of those too).

^^^
This thread is wild. Only on DCUM do we get a pack of angry posters coming back over and over again to yell about 20 students a year, across the entire state, getting the chance to earn a free degree from a private Christian school that's carrying out it's own mission.

We believe God is redeeming even the darkest places of society. There is no corner of creation that cannot be touched by the power of the gospel. By attempting to transform prison culture, we hope to not only restore peace and shalom within prisons, but also within our local neighborhoods and communities.

Yes, shalom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Learn more about the college ~ Calvin College
I bet Op isn't educated enough to understand it's origin

Calvin as in Calvinists, as in literally worship money and believe those who have the most money are closer to and/or chosen by God? And those that don't deserve their lot in life, as God intended?

That is a bizarre theological interpretation. Calvinist as is ministering to those who need it. Who says they put prisoners before the poor. the Bible identifies many who need help. Calvin is following Biblical principles here, and I am sure they are helping the poor, orphans/widows, etc.

I know lots of wonderful Calvin grads. They are not like Betsy DeVos (though there are some of those too).

^^^
This thread is wild. Only on DCUM do we get a pack of angry posters coming back over and over again to yell about 20 students a year, across the entire state, getting the chance to earn a free degree from a private Christian school that's carrying out it's own mission.

We believe God is redeeming even the darkest places of society. There is no corner of creation that cannot be touched by the power of the gospel. By attempting to transform prison culture, we hope to not only restore peace and shalom within prisons, but also within our local neighborhoods and communities.

What does the Bible say of usury and interest? Yet this "Christian school" lets their poor and middle class students leave campus and begin adulthood $23,000 in the hole plus vigorish. But it's okay, they gave a few free degrees to local felons.

They got grants for that.

[Anonymous]

Besides the Pell grants which both non-incarcerated and incarcerated students are eligible, the funding for this program comes from PRIVATE donors. That's how they choose to spend their money. If you don't like it, create your own scholarship. The tuition isn't free. Private donors are paying the tuition and fees for the incarcerated students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why president Biden needs to forgive all UNDERGRADUATE federal student loans.

Nope, nope, nope. I paid my dues, you should too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Learn more about the college ~ Calvin College
I bet Op isn't educated enough to understand it's origin

Calvin as in Calvinists, as in literally worship money and believe those who have the most money are closer to and/or chosen by God? And those that don't deserve their lot in life, as God intended?

That is a bizarre theological interpretation. Calvinist as is ministering to those who need it. Who says they put prisoners before the poor. the Bible identifies many who need help. Calvin is following Biblical principles here, and I am sure they are helping the poor, orphans/widows, etc.

I know lots of wonderful Calvin grads. They are not like Betsy DeVos (though there are some of those too).

^^^
This thread is wild. Only on DCUM do we get a pack of angry posters coming back over and over again to yell about 20 students a year, across the entire state, getting the chance to earn a free degree from a private Christian school that's carrying out it's own mission.

We believe God is redeeming even the darkest places of society. There is no corner of creation that cannot be touched by the power of the gospel. By attempting to transform prison culture, we hope to not only restore peace and shalom within prisons, but also within our local neighborhoods and communities.

What does the Bible say of usury and interest? Yet this "Christian school" lets their poor and middle class students leave campus and begin adulthood $23,000 in the hole plus vigorish. But it's okay, they gave a few free degrees to local felons.

No idea.

Who is "they"? Again, private donors are free to support whatever scholarships/tuition grants etc that they choose, even if you don't like it. So yep, it's okay.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t it unfair that we have the highest incarceration rate in the world??? Isn’t it unfair that laws can be waived so that juveniles can be tried as adults when they’re not adults??? Isn’t it unfair that the private sector is allowed to run prisons, thereby introducing the profit motive into keeping prisoners licked up???

[Anonymous]

Maybe these prisoners are more impressive than OP’s kid?

Prison is a helluva hook.

[Anonymous]

Hopefully no communications majors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really OP? eyeroll.

Wouldn't you rather these convicts learn something useful while they are serving time - and perhaps give them a chance to be productive, self supporting individuals when they leave?

And for those that don't leave....how exactly is their degree behind bars of any consequence to your low/middle class kid.

Finally, I bet you you looked hard enough, you could find a school willing to help your child go to college. If your kid is a good student, find a school that has stats far below their own and get merit aid.

Prison is for punishment

and in this country there is no doubt that it is. Unless you are a wealthy republican.

I assume you want prisoners to come out of prison and commit more crimes. Are you really that dumb.