Which schools accepted your 4.3 - 4.4 TJ kid?

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Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

That is not true. The GPA threshold might be true for unhooked kids, but not true for all TJ kids. I know a few URM TJ kids who got into T10 with less than 4.4 and so-so SAT (for TJ standard). At least 2 of them didn't really have anything exceptional like recruited athlete or national awards. This is in no way a diss at URM kids but it's just the reality of college admission.

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Anonymous wrote:Felt so sad reading this thread. My DC will likely have a GPA of 4.1-4.2 from TJ. It seems like NOVA community college is a real possibility now.

Plenty of schools will welcome your student. The trick is to apply widely. Don't discount the safeties and focus on the essays.

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Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

That is not true. The GPA threshold might be true for unhooked kids, but not true for all TJ kids. I know a few URM TJ kids who got into T10 with less than 4.4 and so-so SAT (for TJ standard). At least 2 of them didn't really have anything exceptional like recruited athlete or national awards. This is in no way a diss at URM kids but it's just the reality of college admission.

Pointless response.. They are URM kids. Would have gotten into those schools from anywhere, more than likely. Not a diss. but pointing out the reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Felt so sad reading this thread. My DC will likely have a GPA of 4.1-4.2 from TJ. It seems like NOVA community college is a real possibility now.

Alabama has amazing merit for NMF which many TJ students get.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355. Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure. Other SAT scores:

George Bush: Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton: Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken: Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent

You have listed "exceptional" talent in only one area - Leadership/Politics. My kid will definitely not be as exceptional as those you have listed in this field but her chosen field is CS .. She has academic and extra-curricular credentials to justify that she has the "potential" to be exceptional in her chosen field. I guess that should be acknowledged and accepted in atleast one of the top schools in my opinion.

Is she white? If so - thousands of others are ahead of her. I am sorry. She will do well in life because she works hard. Best.

NP. Thousands ahead of her? A female from the number 1 stem HS in the country at the top of her class in GPA? I don’t think so

Your extremely high stats kid is a dime a dozen in the very top schools’ applicant pool.

Ugh. Not the "dime a dozen" poster again! I really hate that phrase, but there is a correlative point that is important. PPP, a top girl stats-wise from TJ should do well, but the stats are the base level for consideration, not the end all be all. If the stats are all she has, make sure you have plenty of target and safety schools (& I mean true targets and safeties). There is much to love about mid tier schools, and they may offer great merit to a high stats kid. If you want top-rated, name-prestige schools, she will have to stand out with national awards, great recs and school-specific fantastic essays if no other hooks. It can be done, but don't count on it. Even with these perks, have some targets and safeties in the mix. Also, consider what schools might be the best fit for her, and where she can shine. It might not be what you think. Mine did not apply to Harvard because she didn't like the competitive culture. She was fortunate enough to get into most of the tops schools she applied for, but she was prepared to go to one of the safeties (which was all she had for a long time) and found things to love about them. We are MCPS magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Wait so where is your kid going???? After that INSANE amount of work was it worth it? This is so depressing

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Wait so where is your kid going???? After that INSANE amount of work was it worth it? This is so depressing

NP. Why is this depressing? Our TJ DD with a higher GPA, same SAT and 12 APs all 5s also didn’t get into any Ivies (waitlisted at some and waitlisted at CMU). She is nevertheless very happy with a T10 college that accepted her and is going there. PP’s DD also could have been accepted by other top colleges, just not the Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:Felt so sad reading this thread. My DC will likely have a GPA of 4.1-4.2 from TJ. It seems like NOVA community college is a real possibility now.

Not really. T30 is not going to happen with this GPA. But t40 is possible and a t50/60 is very likely if not guaranteed.

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Anonymous wrote:Felt so sad reading this thread. My DC will likely have a GPA of 4.1-4.2 from TJ. It seems like NOVA community college is a real possibility now.

Not really. T30 is not going to happen with this GPA. But t40 is possible and a t50/60 is very likely if not guaranteed.

+1 Of course a TJ student with above a 4.0 will almost assuredly get into a very good school. I guess to some TJ parents, anything below a T(fill in the number) school is a complete failure so might as well go to NOVA. Talk about being melodramatic.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Wait so where is your kid going???? After that INSANE amount of work was it worth it? This is so depressing

She did not do the work for getting into a top college. She did because it is what she is. She wasn't even thinking about college until about the junior packet came up for the counselor. She's going to a good college for CS major.

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Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

That is not true. The GPA threshold might be true for unhooked kids, but not true for all TJ kids. I know a few URM TJ kids who got into T10 with less than 4.4 and so-so SAT (for TJ standard). At least 2 of them didn't really have anything exceptional like recruited athlete or national awards. This is in no way a diss at URM kids but it's just the reality of college admission.

Pointless response.. They are URM kids. Would have gotten into those schools from anywhere, more than likely. Not a diss. but pointing out the reality.

+1. Same for URM and big donor legacy

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Anonymous wrote:Felt so sad reading this thread. My DC will likely have a GPA of 4.1-4.2 from TJ. It seems like NOVA community college is a real possibility now.

Not really. T30 is not going to happen with this GPA. But t40 is possible and a t50/60 is very likely if not guaranteed.

+1 Of course a TJ student with above a 4.0 will almost assuredly get into a very good school. I guess to some TJ parents, anything below a T(fill in the number) school is a complete failure so might as well go to NOVA. Talk about being melodramatic.

Isn't that how it is for all the "Big 3" or whatever private school families as well who essentially are paying for a medicore education and the school guidance counselor-college connection to get their lacrosse playing kid into an Ivy or a SLAC? Why is that OK but not this? Is that bias against the predominant Asian population at TJ or jealousy that your kid couldn't hack it there?

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Wait so where is your kid going???? After that INSANE amount of work was it worth it? This is so depressing

She did not do the work for getting into a top college. She did because it is what she is. She wasn't even thinking about college until about the junior packet came up for the counselor. She's going to a good college for CS major.

The parents of kids that get into the ivies are thinking for their kids starting in 8th grade. They game the ECs, sports, instruments their kids play, schools their kids attend, etc. for the right outcome.

Don't worry. Your kid will do well wherever she goes. Have her study CS. It's the big hustle now and will put her compensation on par with IB and other top professions.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Wait so where is your kid going???? After that INSANE amount of work was it worth it? This is so depressing

She did not do the work for getting into a top college. She did because it is what she is. She wasn't even thinking about college until about the junior packet came up for the counselor. She's going to a good college for CS major.

The parents of kids that get into the ivies are thinking for their kids starting in 8th grade. They game the ECs, sports, instruments their kids play, schools their kids attend, etc. for the right outcome.

Don't worry. Your kid will do well wherever she goes. Have her study CS. It's the big hustle now and will put her compensation on par with IB and other top professions.

Thank you for your kind words! Yes, it's a very late realization for me..

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Anonymous wrote:Felt so sad reading this thread. My DC will likely have a GPA of 4.1-4.2 from TJ. It seems like NOVA community college is a real possibility now.

Not really. T30 is not going to happen with this GPA. But t40 is possible and a t50/60 is very likely if not guaranteed.

+1 Of course a TJ student with above a 4.0 will almost assuredly get into a very good school. I guess to some TJ parents, anything below a T(fill in the number) school is a complete failure so might as well go to NOVA. Talk about being melodramatic.

Isn't that how it is for all the "Big 3" or whatever private school families as well who essentially are paying for a medicore education and the school guidance counselor-college connection to get their lacrosse playing kid into an Ivy or a SLAC? Why is that OK but not this? Is that bias against the predominant Asian population at TJ or jealousy that your kid couldn't hack it there?

I stand corrected. You are right, ANY parent with that mentality - regardless of what school their DC attends - should drop the drama after a little venting. I don't agree, however, that private schools in general deliver a mediocre education. Depends on the school (but you know that).