Any hope Youngkin will bring back 0s?

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Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

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The goal of school is to learn the material. Why does it matter if they do retakes — they demonstrate they have learned the material. If you fail the bar exam you can take it again. If you fail your drivers license exam you can retake. So why should school be any different?

+1 That's growth mindset, "I don't know this yet"

Exactly. We want kids to learn the material and be motivated to keep trying.

My kid right now has a cool grading policy for geometry that is motivating: the grade is only based on quizzes and tests. If you do better on the test than the quizzes then your quiz scores get bumped up to the test score. And if you get any problems incorrect on the test, you can do a thoughtful exercise on why you got it wrong and how to do it correctly - to bump up grade by 1/2 point per problem.

It's been very motivating for my kid and I hope to see more teachers (esp math) use this grading policy.

I used to agree with this but then I heard someone say - what it’s going to be like when it’s these kids age working at nasa. Oops we just missed the moon - we will just do a redo.

I have zero problem with retakes and some additional credit given. I DO have problems with retakes and allowing full credit. I have problems with allowing late assignments and kids getting full credit. If you missed a deadline, you shouldn't get the same grade as the person who followed directions and turned it in on time. You essentially got a free extension of time to complete the work.

Generally, I'd agree with this, but during the pandemic - and even now somewhat - it's been extra difficult to track assignments. Even hard-working kids can miss assignments here or there.

Tough sh--. And, untrue. Between Schoology, SIS, and parents who should be helping them learn to track assignments, there is no reason not to track assignments.

100% true. It was very difficult to track assignments in virtual/concurrent/hybrid. Every teacher assigned work a little differently. My kid was out with covid several weeks ago and it was a nightmare to track down missing assignments, reschedule tests, etc.

This is no longer the case. Our school uses Schoology - period. Track it. Get a calendar.
It's not that hard. And even if it is, that is a you problem to solve.

Once we are past quarantines/isolations then sure. But until then, I fully support having flexibility around assignment due dates.

The last two years have been logistically very challenging - even for kids who are on top of their work.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

Earlier this year, my DD just submitted a long term project online before the deadline. For whatever reason the file didn't attach correctly and the assignment was marked late. She lost 50% of the grade because of the glitch.

It showed "submitted" but didn't have the file so it was marked late. Kid didn't know until it later showed up as late in the grade book. This teacher takes a long time to grade everything so it was like weeks later.

Total BS.

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My kid gets to redo a project to go from a B to a B plus if he wants. It’s a half grade increase and it requires a lot more work. I’m happy he’s learning what it takes to do the job better. People need to get a life. This is not the part of school that is dragging kids down. If the kid isn’t motivated he won’t do the extra work or the retake to get a better grade. At the end of the day we want students who can do the job. Look around. There are so many infilled professional jobs. We need our students to learn how to be successful.

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High school teacher here. I'm not worried about the kids who retake exams and turn in late work. My biggest issue is the kids who just don't do anything. Kids really only need to try one day a week and they will get a C or D and pass the class. It's tough to manage the other 4 days when they do absolutely nothing but distract other kids.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

Earlier this year, my DD just submitted a long term project online before the deadline. For whatever reason the file didn't attach correctly and the assignment was marked late. She lost 50% of the grade because of the glitch.

It showed "submitted" but didn't have the file so it was marked late. Kid didn't know until it later showed up as late in the grade book. This teacher takes a long time to grade everything so it was like weeks later.

Total BS.

That's a bad situation, for sure. But not the issue we are discussing.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

Nice anecdotal evidence. Now imagine that there are more students in FCPS than those in your school.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

Nice anecdotal evidence. Now imagine that there are more students in FCPS than those in your school.

Ever thought that you are the one with a nice anecdote and that there are other students in FCPS that are doing the same thing as the PP?

Some Teachers are awful, some are great most are in between.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

Earlier this year, my DD just submitted a long term project online before the deadline. For whatever reason the file didn't attach correctly and the assignment was marked late. She lost 50% of the grade because of the glitch.

It showed "submitted" but didn't have the file so it was marked late. Kid didn't know until it later showed up as late in the grade book. This teacher takes a long time to grade everything so it was like weeks later.

Total BS.

FCPS policy is that late work can only have a 10% penalty. Fuss about it if it's affecting her grade so much. 50% penalty is for missing work.

--HS teacher

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Why does the OP think Youngkin - not an educational professional - has this power, or should have this power or the minutiae of local school districts? Amazing how people are willing to give up any voice in their child's education at all just to have their way on a couple of issues that irk them.

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Anonymous wrote:High school teacher here. I'm not worried about the kids who retake exams and turn in late work. My biggest issue is the kids who just don't do anything. Kids really only need to try one day a week and they will get a C or D and pass the class. It's tough to manage the other 4 days when they do absolutely nothing but distract other kids.

Teacher here also. My biggest issue is helping my students. I don't understand why some of you are so freaked out that maybe a student will get an "easy C or D" (really?? like they are going to learn so much more if only it were just a tiny bit harder to get a D?). Who cares?? Don't you have anything better to worry about? My god, you must be lousy at your job.

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Anonymous wrote:High school teacher here. I'm not worried about the kids who retake exams and turn in late work. My biggest issue is the kids who just don't do anything. Kids really only need to try one day a week and they will get a C or D and pass the class. It's tough to manage the other 4 days when they do absolutely nothing but distract other kids.

You have the same kids four days a week?

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Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

Earlier this year, my DD just submitted a long term project online before the deadline. For whatever reason the file didn't attach correctly and the assignment was marked late. She lost 50% of the grade because of the glitch.

It showed "submitted" but didn't have the file so it was marked late. Kid didn't know until it later showed up as late in the grade book. This teacher takes a long time to grade everything so it was like weeks later.

Total BS.

That's a bad situation, for sure. But not the issue we are discussing.

It is. She was penalized for "late" work even though she finished it and tried to turn it in on time.

If the late policy was more lenient it wouldn't be an issue. There are circumstances today that are different than when we were kids. Virtual, quarantines, electronic submissions, etc. A little grace wouldn't crush spirits who are sincerely trying.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS high school teacher here. The elimination of 0 grades has killed education. Kids have no consequences because they get 50 no matter what. I have students with 20 absences already, yet they still have a C. Kids are selective when they want to try because they know there is no consequences.

Don't even get me started on the social studies PBA instead of the SOL. What a farse. Kids just sneeze on a piece of paper and they get the verified credit.

I'm hoping Youngkin will get rid of the 50 minimum, SOL for social studies, truancy fines/punishments.

What are the odds any of these ever come back.

You are NUTS and have no idea what you are asking. I hope you don’t teach social studies. The idea that the governor should have so much power over individual school systems is INSANE.

If you start giving the governor that much power welcome to Russia!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean like it was when we were kids and nothing was on computers yet? People managed to navigate school for an awful long time without computers.

Somehow my brother and I got through school with ADHD, reasonably serious ADHD, with regular old planners. My brother struggled more then I did but he graduated with a B average, went to college, and graduated from college so he figured it out.

Get your kid a planner. Go on the various sites and write down the assignments that you can find. Go to Teacher and confirm that what is in the planner is what is due.

Have you ever tried to reach a MS or HS teacher in FCPS? Pretty sure there is some unwritten rule that says once a kid passes 6th grade teachers no longer need to respond to a student or parent email. In MS and up it's all about self advocacy and they want the kid to do the talking but I'm convinced much of that is because it's easier to ignore a kid, they give up. MS and HS teachers barely grade on time. They surely are not responsive to planner/assignment checks.

Some of you are just making sh-- up now. My DD has done office hours, emailed teachers, stayed after school to ask questions with absolutely no problem. Through MS, through COVID, through HS. I get that some individual teachers may be more difficult. But, this sweeping generalization is pure BS.

Earlier this year, my DD just submitted a long term project online before the deadline. For whatever reason the file didn't attach correctly and the assignment was marked late. She lost 50% of the grade because of the glitch.

It showed "submitted" but didn't have the file so it was marked late. Kid didn't know until it later showed up as late in the grade book. This teacher takes a long time to grade everything so it was like weeks later.

Total BS.

FCPS policy is that late work can only have a 10% penalty. Fuss about it if it's affecting her grade so much. 50% penalty is for missing work.

--HS teacher

Is this true? Can you please point me to the policy?

My HS DC was receiving 80% as the highest grade on late assignments during first quarter. These were assignments due to not being capable of completing the assignments - too difficult after a year of virtual school. We since gotten the issues remediated and he was notifying the teacher of his issues/attending all available office hours, etc. DC even asked for an extension before assignments were due and teacher said no.