Is Bowser's goal really to damage and destroy DC public schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that even if White is pro WTU I’m still not supporting Bowser. She is so downtown/corporate it is a joke. Like all she wants to do is play junior developer and wanna be Bloomberg fan. At least White is about constituents, actual humans, not sound bites and paint on 16th Street.

How? I don't see this at all. His office never responds to my emails. He never speaks to any of my concerns in his council hearings. I don't get it at all. I have never seen any plan of his, or anything that he has done, that has any substance at all. He's just soundbites and hot air.

I'm not a huge fan of Bowser but she opened the schools, and would have opened them sooner if it weren't for WTU.

This is horseshit. Massachusetts has some of the strongest teachers unions in the US and they opened in fall of 2021. Bowser’s weak leadership and desire to stick it to Trump kept the schools closed.

NP. Please explain how Bowser worked to keep schools closed in fall of 2020 to stick it to Trump. You were evidently wrong about the teacher’s unions in Massachusetts being the driving force of (or at least not an impediment to) school openings there, but maybe you can explain your claim about what happened in DC.

PP here again. To be clear k I’m with you on the weak leadership, which was evident in Bowser’s failure to stand up to the WTU. But that wasn’t because she wanted to stick it to Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that even if White is pro WTU I’m still not supporting Bowser. She is so downtown/corporate it is a joke. Like all she wants to do is play junior developer and wanna be Bloomberg fan. At least White is about constituents, actual humans, not sound bites and paint on 16th Street.

How? I don't see this at all. His office never responds to my emails. He never speaks to any of my concerns in his council hearings. I don't get it at all. I have never seen any plan of his, or anything that he has done, that has any substance at all. He's just soundbites and hot air.

I'm not a huge fan of Bowser but she opened the schools, and would have opened them sooner if it weren't for WTU.

This is horseshit. Massachusetts has some of the strongest teachers unions in the US and they opened in fall of 2021. Bowser’s weak leadership and desire to stick it to Trump kept the schools closed.

NP. Please explain how Bowser worked to keep schools closed in fall of 2020 to stick it to Trump. You were evidently wrong about the teacher’s unions in Massachusetts being the driving force of (or at least not an impediment to) school openings there, but maybe you can explain your claim about what happened in DC.

PP here again. To be clear k I’m with you on the weak leadership, which was evident in Bowser’s failure to stand up to the WTU. But that wasn’t because she wanted to stick it to Trump.

I’m not sure if Bowser was in the same position as Mass (and NY) to just order the schools to open, given the dc council’s strong catering to the union and loudly dramatic parents. But at least she tried and at least she did manage to get a good number of kids back in Feb and more in April.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading more, it seems like the governor had to order schools to open in MA in March 2021. Suggesting that they didn't open in Fall 2020.

"The controversial move to override local school officials’ decision-making power comes amid the Baker administration’s continued push to reopen schools, citing the adverse academic and mental health impacts of remote learning, as well as research suggesting that in-school transmission of COVID-19 is rare when safety measures are implemented."

https://www.boston.com/news/schools/2021/03/09/massachusetts-public-schools-reopening-plan/

And then there was a lot of press about Brookline and the teachers' union there, including voting to strike in Nov. 2020. They didn't return until March 2021.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/11/02/brookline-teacher-strike-vote

https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/12/school-reopening-teachers-unions-parents-brookline-massachusetts.html

https://patch.com/massachusetts/brookline/brookline-students-return-fully-person-school-march

Interesting. So it took a Republican governor to get kids back to school.

This is all so depressing. I’m a lifelong Democrat and I just cannot come to terms with the degree to which we screwed kids during this pandemic.

Democrats decided it was more important to be friends with teachers unions than to allow children to attend school. Republicans don't care about teachers unions so they sided with kids.

PP you are responding to. Yes, that is true. However, what is also clear is that Republicans didn’t side with kids because they actually care about their welfare, but because they knew schools needed to be open for the economy’s sake.

That's obviously insane. You don't think people who happen to be Republican don't love their children? Just because Democrats threw children under a bus doesn't mean Republicans didn't care about them either.

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I'm basically just shocked you still have WTU officials stating that schools aren't safe for in-person instruction. It seems increasingly devoid from reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading more, it seems like the governor had to order schools to open in MA in March 2021. Suggesting that they didn't open in Fall 2020.

"The controversial move to override local school officials’ decision-making power comes amid the Baker administration’s continued push to reopen schools, citing the adverse academic and mental health impacts of remote learning, as well as research suggesting that in-school transmission of COVID-19 is rare when safety measures are implemented."

https://www.boston.com/news/schools/2021/03/09/massachusetts-public-schools-reopening-plan/

And then there was a lot of press about Brookline and the teachers' union there, including voting to strike in Nov. 2020. They didn't return until March 2021.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/11/02/brookline-teacher-strike-vote

https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/12/school-reopening-teachers-unions-parents-brookline-massachusetts.html

https://patch.com/massachusetts/brookline/brookline-students-return-fully-person-school-march

Interesting. So it took a Republican governor to get kids back to school.

This is all so depressing. I’m a lifelong Democrat and I just cannot come to terms with the degree to which we screwed kids during this pandemic.

Democrats decided it was more important to be friends with teachers unions than to allow children to attend school. Republicans don't care about teachers unions so they sided with kids.

PP you are responding to. Yes, that is true. However, what is also clear is that Republicans didn’t side with kids because they actually care about their welfare, but because they knew schools needed to be open for the economy’s sake.

That's obviously insane. You don't think people who happen to be Republican don't love their children? Just because Democrats threw children under a bus doesn't mean Republicans didn't care about them either.

I’m obviously not talking about Republican parents of young children, but about Republican politicians, especially Trump himself. Do you really think Trump’s motivation for calling on schools to open was his care for the well-being of children and his love of education? Talk about insane.

Most parents, whether Democrats or Republicans, wanted schools to open. It was leadership that failed to do it, and admittedly too many left-leaning parents indulged that leadership, partly because Trump called for schools to open.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm basically just shocked you still have WTU officials stating that schools aren't safe for in-person instruction. It seems increasingly devoid from reality.

I’m also shocked that you believe this is happening. Can you find those officials because I haven’t seen anyone say that. They have been asking for repairs
And upkeep for their buildings but that is not the same as saying schools are unsafe for students

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Anonymous wrote:I'm basically just shocked you still have WTU officials stating that schools aren't safe for in-person instruction. It seems increasingly devoid from reality.

I’m also shocked that you believe this is happening. Can you find those officials because I haven’t seen anyone say that. They have been asking for repairs
And upkeep for their buildings but that is not the same as saying schools are unsafe for students

I clicked on the tweet on the first page of this thread. Scroll down one tweet for Fuchs saying that if Central office doesn't have to go to work in person, that suggests it isn't safe for teachers to teach in person.

She also has testimony from the beginning of the school year saying that in-person learning is unsafe.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that even if White is pro WTU I’m still not supporting Bowser. She is so downtown/corporate it is a joke. Like all she wants to do is play junior developer and wanna be Bloomberg fan. At least White is about constituents, actual humans, not sound bites and paint on 16th Street.

How? I don't see this at all. His office never responds to my emails. He never speaks to any of my concerns in his council hearings. I don't get it at all. I have never seen any plan of his, or anything that he has done, that has any substance at all. He's just soundbites and hot air.

I'm not a huge fan of Bowser but she opened the schools, and would have opened them sooner if it weren't for WTU.

This is horseshit. Massachusetts has some of the strongest teachers unions in the US and they opened in fall of 2021. Bowser’s weak leadership and desire to stick it to Trump kept the schools closed.

NP. Please explain how Bowser worked to keep schools closed in fall of 2020 to stick it to Trump. You were evidently wrong about the teacher’s unions in Massachusetts being the driving force of (or at least not an impediment to) school openings there, but maybe you can explain your claim about what happened in DC.

PP here again. To be clear k I’m with you on the weak leadership, which was evident in Bowser’s failure to stand up to the WTU. But that wasn’t because she wanted to stick it to Trump.

It was partly anti-Trump. She won nationwide attention last year for her anti-Trump posturing. Also, she was a useless negotiator with WTU. She tried the my way or the highway approach with the WTU which spectacularly backfired. Dumb move on her part and it cost us a lot

[Anonymous]

With the national teacher and sub shortage presently, mayors and governors need to tread carefully with teachers and teacher unions. That is just the reality whether you like it or not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm basically just shocked you still have WTU officials stating that schools aren't safe for in-person instruction. It seems increasingly devoid from reality.

I’m also shocked that you believe this is happening. Can you find those officials because I haven’t seen anyone say that. They have been asking for repairs
And upkeep for their buildings but that is not the same as saying schools are unsafe for students

I clicked on the tweet on the first page of this thread. Scroll down one tweet for Fuchs saying that if Central office doesn't have to go to work in person, that suggests it isn't safe for teachers to teach in person.

She also has testimony from the beginning of the school year saying that in-person learning is unsafe.

Here's her testimony from Aug. 23: "It is NOT safe to return to in person instruction. Advertising it as such is a recipe for disaster."

https://www.dccoreunion.org/post/dc-core-co-chair-laura-fuchs-sboe-testimony-on-reopening

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Anonymous wrote:With the national teacher and sub shortage presently, mayors and governors need to tread carefully with teachers and teacher unions. That is just the reality whether you like it or not

No, you actually don't. In most of the country, nobody cares what teachers unions think -- the unions are weak and teachers are told what to do and they do it. It's only in a few big blue cities like DC where the teachers union matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that even if White is pro WTU I’m still not supporting Bowser. She is so downtown/corporate it is a joke. Like all she wants to do is play junior developer and wanna be Bloomberg fan. At least White is about constituents, actual humans, not sound bites and paint on 16th Street.

How? I don't see this at all. His office never responds to my emails. He never speaks to any of my concerns in his council hearings. I don't get it at all. I have never seen any plan of his, or anything that he has done, that has any substance at all. He's just soundbites and hot air.

I'm not a huge fan of Bowser but she opened the schools, and would have opened them sooner if it weren't for WTU.

This is horseshit. Massachusetts has some of the strongest teachers unions in the US and they opened in fall of 2021. Bowser’s weak leadership and desire to stick it to Trump kept the schools closed.

NP. Please explain how Bowser worked to keep schools closed in fall of 2020 to stick it to Trump. You were evidently wrong about the teacher’s unions in Massachusetts being the driving force of (or at least not an impediment to) school openings there, but maybe you can explain your claim about what happened in DC.

PP here again. To be clear k I’m with you on the weak leadership, which was evident in Bowser’s failure to stand up to the WTU. But that wasn’t because she wanted to stick it to Trump.

It was partly anti-Trump. She won nationwide attention last year for her anti-Trump posturing. Also, she was a useless negotiator with WTU. She tried the my way or the highway approach with the WTU which spectacularly backfired. Dumb move on her part and it cost us a lot

I'll agree that her negotiation skills leave a lot to be desired. But the alternative (right now) is Robert White, who I guess would have just said, "Yeah let's stay home the WTU doesn't believe it is safe ever."

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Anonymous wrote:I'm basically just shocked you still have WTU officials stating that schools aren't safe for in-person instruction. It seems increasingly devoid from reality.

I’m also shocked that you believe this is happening. Can you find those officials because I haven’t seen anyone say that. They have been asking for repairs
And upkeep for their buildings but that is not the same as saying schools are unsafe for students

I clicked on the tweet on the first page of this thread. Scroll down one tweet for Fuchs saying that if Central office doesn't have to go to work in person, that suggests it isn't safe for teachers to teach in person.

She also has testimony from the beginning of the school year saying that in-person learning is unsafe.

Here's her testimony from Aug. 23: "It is NOT safe to return to in person instruction. Advertising it as such is a recipe for disaster."

https://www.dccoreunion.org/post/dc-core-co-chair-laura-fuchs-sboe-testimony-on-reopening

That is from before this school year even started. Find me something that says that WTU officials are still saying schools are not safe for reopening

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Anonymous wrote:I'm basically just shocked you still have WTU officials stating that schools aren't safe for in-person instruction. It seems increasingly devoid from reality.

I’m also shocked that you believe this is happening. Can you find those officials because I haven’t seen anyone say that. They have been asking for repairs
And upkeep for their buildings but that is not the same as saying schools are unsafe for students

I clicked on the tweet on the first page of this thread. Scroll down one tweet for Fuchs saying that if Central office doesn't have to go to work in person, that suggests it isn't safe for teachers to teach in person.

She also has testimony from the beginning of the school year saying that in-person learning is unsafe.

Here's her testimony from Aug. 23: "It is NOT safe to return to in person instruction. Advertising it as such is a recipe for disaster."

https://www.dccoreunion.org/post/dc-core-co-chair-laura-fuchs-sboe-testimony-on-reopening

That is from before this school year even started. Find me something that says that WTU officials are still saying schools are not safe for reopening

Already did, above.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm basically just shocked you still have WTU officials stating that schools aren't safe for in-person instruction. It seems increasingly devoid from reality.

I’m also shocked that you believe this is happening. Can you find those officials because I haven’t seen anyone say that. They have been asking for repairs
And upkeep for their buildings but that is not the same as saying schools are unsafe for students

I clicked on the tweet on the first page of this thread. Scroll down one tweet for Fuchs saying that if Central office doesn't have to go to work in person, that suggests it isn't safe for teachers to teach in person.

She also has testimony from the beginning of the school year saying that in-person learning is unsafe.

Here's her testimony from Aug. 23: "It is NOT safe to return to in person instruction. Advertising it as such is a recipe for disaster."

https://www.dccoreunion.org/post/dc-core-co-chair-laura-fuchs-sboe-testimony-on-reopening

That is from before this school year even started. Find me something that says that WTU officials are still saying schools are not safe for reopening

Already did, above.

You know what? I take it back. I assumed badly that because the tweet on the first page of this thread was linked now, that it was a recent tweet. It is from Oct. 7, 2020.

Mea culpa.