Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A prepped/pushed borderline kid will do fine in AAP. You are not going to prep 40% to 99%. You might prep 50% to 80% at best. 80% with low GBRS might struggle, but would not be admitted. 80% with good gbrs will do fine.

The system works. The impact of cogat prepping is minimized by the gbrs.

Your suggesting unprepped 50 percentile and after prepping jump to 80 percentile? That too big a jump, I would think.

[Anonymous]

If, under the old scoring, prepping increases the score by 20 PTS, that would be from 60% to 80 %. Raw score of 100 to 120.

[Anonymous]

Athletes love to compete. In sports it's not about who is the fastest or strongest. The player who knocks the other out is the winner. The entitled prefer self-annointment. They fear competition. They fear those who prepare. They are afraid of getting knocked out. I prefer a world with opportunity for both the Davids and the Goliaths.

Now, let's here the driveling whine that life is not about winning, Big 3, Ivy and BMW and there are no prizes in life. It all about cum ba ya ya.

[Anonymous]

A poster is quite obsessed with knocking people out, people stealing the "prize", convinced that the so-called "entitled" are out to deny opportunity to others. This poster is advocating "test prep" as a means to knock out others before they knock you out, to steal the prize before someone else can, to trick the "entitled" at their own game.

The problem is that people that think the world is out to get them will only see evidence of that all around them. They assume that if they are willing to trick people that others must be trying to trick them.

Luckily, we are in the US where there is plenty of opportunity for all the Davids and all the Goliaths. There is no need to for knock outs or tricks to do well in the US.
Most people in the US treat others fairly and honestly and can expect to be treated the same way in return. Sure, there are dishonest people, but they are not the majority and the dishonest are not respected by those that know them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Most of us are not bitter and distrustful of anyone outside our own families. Most of us are not paranoid that the educational system is trying to keep our children out of some special program.

I agree, but many of use are not stupid or bitter enough to leave the education of our children solely in the hands of FCPS, a lacrosse stick, video games and a daily calendar filled with play dates. We prefer to prepare our children for life and the world they are about to enter.

First of all, what's with the weird obsession with lacrosse? It keeps getting mentioned here.

Second, if you would like to prepare your children for life and the world they are about to enter, I would highly suggest involvement in some sort of team sport. Any sport will do, it doesn't have to be lacrosse (which I get is someone's idea of code for the "entitled").

Life is about knowing how to work with and as a team. It is not about hiding in your house, doing anything you can to have an advantage over other kids, worried that some other kid will sneak in and steal your "prize." Life is about working together, "going the distance", passing the ball to someone else when necessary and being in the right place to have the ball passed back to you when necessary.

A child will learn many more worthwhile lessons about how to lead a good life from being a valuable member of a team than he or she will ever learn from practicing the same sets of test questions over and over. Adults spend most of their adult working lives needing to work in some kind of a team situation and they will greatly benefit from learning how to work with others early in life. Team sports are a great place to learn these lessons.

You're not Asian, are you?

Nobody really cares if this poster is Asian, Hispanic, black, or white.

[Anonymous]

^ well I was in Beijing not too long ago. Lined up in a queue for a taxi, and the people behind me did not observe any decorum whatsoever. Pushing, shoving, ignoring the line - trying their best to get ahead. Because for some that's what it all about right? And you may be in their way. I would still be there today if I hadn't pushed back. So maybe there's a lesson there. Hope not.

[Anonymous]

I have flown into airports in three different major US cities in the past few months and when I went to the taxi stand, even though it was crowded, everyone stood in line and waited their turn. I even saw a young single man allow a woman with children and a carseat go ahead of him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Athletes love to compete. In sports it's not about who is the fastest or strongest. The player who knocks the other out is the winner. The entitled prefer self-annointment. They fear competition. They fear those who prepare. They are afraid of getting knocked out. I prefer a world with opportunity for both the Davids and the Goliaths.

Now, let's here the driveling whine that life is not about winning, Big 3, Ivy and BMW and there are no prizes in life. It all about cum ba ya ya.

It depends. The player can later be disgraced for cheating. Barry Bonds may have the home run crown, but we know it is because of PEDS. Your analogy only applies if everyone plays by the rules. Batting Practice: good prep. Studying the pitching history good prep. Injecting yourself with HGH: cheating.

You probably cheat on your taxes too. Because money is the ultimate goal.

Guess what? Money don't matter when you are dead. The poor, the rich are all dead in the end.

I guess I do not have the wherewithal to compete...the US, our great entitled nation...entitled because of what? Not our heritage. Most immigrants came here because they had no where else to go. That does not sound entitled. My grandparents came here with just the clothes on there backs. They worked hard so there kids could go to college. These children worked hard so there kids could go to college. And my generation is working hard: scientists, engineers, doctors, and lawyers...so our kids can have a better life.

But life is not money. No amount of money will cure the cancer in ones body....ask Steve Jobs.

[Anonymous]

^ well I was in Beijing not too long ago. Lined up in a queue for a taxi, and the people behind me did not observe any decorum whatsoever. Pushing, shoving, ignoring the line - trying their best to get ahead. Because for some that's what it all about right? And you may be in their way. I would still be there today if I hadn't pushed back. So maybe there's a lesson there. Hope not.

What is the obsession with Asian's about on this thread? You can't go more than one or two pages at the very most without them being mentioned in some derogatory way or another.

Oh, wait. I know. Never mind...

In every zip code in America the children of recent immigrants are outperforming children of the entitled culture. This has created an ever expanding performance and achievement gap in education as the entitled culture witnesses in every zip code these children taking their self anointed spots in every AAP, gifted program, IB, AP and Honors program in the land.

This is the root cause of this furor. And the entitled culture will go to any unethical length to disrupt this trend -- including voter fraud and suppression.

[Anonymous]

From another thread, but appropriate here:

My take on this is that there are a few people who like to spin people up; I just don't believe that there are that many people in this highly educated, highly diverse area who are that racist. The way the comments will just pop up in a thread seemingly out of the blue strikes me as odd and sometimes as though someone is trying to make a particular conversation about race rather than the stated topic.

[Anonymous]

A poster is quite obsessed with knocking people out, people stealing the "prize", convinced that the so-called "entitled" are out to deny opportunity to others. This poster is advocating "test prep" as a means to knock out others before they knock you out, to steal the prize before someone else can, to trick the "entitled" at their own game.

The problem is that people that think the world is out to get them will only see evidence of that all around them. They assume that if they are willing to trick people that others must be trying to trick them.

Luckily, we are in the US where there is plenty of opportunity for all the Davids and all the Goliaths. There is no need to for knock outs or tricks to do well in the US.
Most people in the US treat others fairly and honestly and can expect to be treated the same way in return. Sure, there are dishonest people, but they are not the majority and the dishonest are not respected by those that know them.

It is the same poster who is obsessed with living in the right zip code so that her children can attend the best schools, play lacrosse and crew in preparation for the Ivy or SLAC prize. If her children do not do well at lacrosse (hard not to do for essentially non athletes) she will put them in squash or water polo. The poster knows this is the easiest route for average entitled kids to get to Ivys and SLAC ( with little competition) who must fill their eights and athletic rosters. Academic stars in every American zip code today largely do not play these club sports!

[Anonymous]

Please don't give way our secrets. We don't want everyone getting into hockey, squash, crew, swimming, and lacrosse at any early age and taking our slots.

[Anonymous]

Um, this is not the real estate board. This thread is not about living in any particular zip code. It's a thread about a test that second graders take, not about how to get into college.
Whether or not kids are in the AAP will have no effect on what college they get into. Lots of school systems have no AAP or GT and they send students on to great colleges. It's not like college admissions people look at an application and say, " Horrors! no AAP? Well, then we just cannot accept little Johnny!"

[Anonymous]

If a child doesn't get into AAP we know this may not ultimately affect getting to MIT or Stanford in the long run. But, I know few families turning down AAP for the opportunity of using the general education route to those ends. I know of none.

I do know some who turn down TJ or magnet in favor of neighborhood school. The calculation in most cases, the latter is too competitive and a stellar grade point average better preserved with the latter option. This represents the bulk of the discussions I have held with such kids and families over the last decade.

[Anonymous]

I see. So there may be a prize in the long run.