ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand a move to 9/1. It was 8/1 for decades before the 2017 change to BY without issue. 8/1 captures virtually all school registration cutoffs and 9/1 does not. For a national cutoff, 8/1 is most comprehensive.

Completely agree. Seems like a no brainer to me. Wouldn’t you pick the date that covers the most kids (and was the cutoff in the past)? And, if the ultimate goal is GY, then why not use 8/1.

They feel more kids would be reverse trapped. Meaning they are born in August 2011 and are in 8th grade currently rather than 7th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The more I listen to soccer podcasts and college coaches on X recruiting from D2. The more I think these ECNL to grad year is a real possibility.

If recruiting of ECNL goes down because most colleges do not want to waste the funds watching high school kids then maybe ECNL will want the older grad year kids. Does a holdback who’s a 19 year old senior now make them a more desired product?

I’m not for or against just trying to understand why ECNL would not goto grad year at least for showcases.

Ugh? Wut?

You know colleges recruited just fine pre 2016 SY and just find post 2016 BY and they’ll recruit just fine in 2026 BY/SY landscape.

Coaches scout players, not birth months, not graduation years.

I think they are saying if colleges D1 are deciding to recruit D2/3 players instead of sending coaches to showcases. So how does ECNL get more coaches to show up to showcases.

I don’t agree with that but I think that was what they were trying to get across.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand a move to 9/1. It was 8/1 for decades before the 2017 change to BY without issue. 8/1 captures virtually all school registration cutoffs and 9/1 does not. For a national cutoff, 8/1 is most comprehensive.

Completely agree. Seems like a no brainer to me. Wouldn’t you pick the date that covers the most kids (and was the cutoff in the past)? And, if the ultimate goal is GY, then why not use 8/1.

They feel more kids would be reverse trapped. Meaning they are born in August 2011 and are in 8th grade currently rather than 7th grade.

GY is for college recruiting, so ECNL will do GY for showcase to solve all trapped players "Recruiting" issue. For league game, it will be 12 months range with 9/1 cutoff. There is no perfect solution to satisfy everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand a move to 9/1. It was 8/1 for decades before the 2017 change to BY without issue. 8/1 captures virtually all school registration cutoffs and 9/1 does not. For a national cutoff, 8/1 is most comprehensive.

Completely agree. Seems like a no brainer to me. Wouldn’t you pick the date that covers the most kids (and was the cutoff in the past)? And, if the ultimate goal is GY, then why not use 8/1.

They feel more kids would be reverse trapped. Meaning they are born in August 2011 and are in 8th grade currently rather than 7th grade.

They can continue to play up with their grade. Playing down with their grade is not an option for August 2011 7th graders.

Make it a two prong test - born within 12 month period (or even 14 month period), plus in a certain grade.

[Anonymous]

Again, many many August kids are on older end of their grade. Even in states where they could enter K if age 5 by 9/1 they wait a year to enter K. 8/1 captures them and the younger August kids can either play up or down. This “can’t please everyone” point is dumb when you can return to 8/1 as it was before and avoid continuing to trap August kids alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, many many August kids are on older end of their grade. Even in states where they could enter K if age 5 by 9/1 they wait a year to enter K. 8/1 captures them and the younger August kids can either play up or down. This “can’t please everyone” point is dumb when you can return to 8/1 as it was before and avoid continuing to trap August kids alone.

You have Aug. kid. Too bad for you. 9/1 will be official next week.

[Anonymous]

What is with this great indignation toward August kids? We are talking about one month or less of age difference. If the rationale for a move SY holds why not apply it to these kids to play with their grade? So dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, many many August kids are on older end of their grade. Even in states where they could enter K if age 5 by 9/1 they wait a year to enter K. 8/1 captures them and the younger August kids can either play up or down. This “can’t please everyone” point is dumb when you can return to 8/1 as it was before and avoid continuing to trap August kids alone.

You have Aug. kid. Too bad for you. 9/1 will be official next week.

Yeah…were you this outraged when it was BY? Or was it ok because Aug birthdays benefitted more than Sep-Dec birthdays?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is with this great indignation toward August kids? We are talking about one month or less of age difference. If the rationale for a move SY holds why not apply it to these kids to play with their grade? So dumb.

It’s just BY parents trying to come up with a reason why the switch will be bad….just ignore how for any faults that’s SY has those same faults are worse under a BY grouping…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand a move to 9/1. It was 8/1 for decades before the 2017 change to BY without issue. 8/1 captures virtually all school registration cutoffs and 9/1 does not. For a national cutoff, 8/1 is most comprehensive.

Completely agree. Seems like a no brainer to me. Wouldn’t you pick the date that covers the most kids (and was the cutoff in the past)? And, if the ultimate goal is GY, then why not use 8/1.

They feel more kids would be reverse trapped. Meaning they are born in August 2011 and are in 8th grade currently rather than 7th grade.

GY is for college recruiting, so ECNL will do GY for showcase to solve all trapped players "Recruiting" issue. For league game, it will be 12 months range with 9/1 cutoff. There is no perfect solution to satisfy everyone.

Why on earth would they have two separate cutoffs? Makes no sense. Would make it extremely difficult of clubs to move teams
around for that and mess up team chemistry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, many many August kids are on older end of their grade. Even in states where they could enter K if age 5 by 9/1 they wait a year to enter K. 8/1 captures them and the younger August kids can either play up or down. This “can’t please everyone” point is dumb when you can return to 8/1 as it was before and avoid continuing to trap August kids alone.

You have Aug. kid. Too bad for you. 9/1 will be official next week.

Yeah…were you this outraged when it was BY? Or was it ok because Aug birthdays benefitted more than Sep-Dec birthdays?

I have a Dec. who has grinded all those years on 2 ECNL and 2 MLSN teams. If no change this year, we are going to try 3rd NL team in our area. I have not complained when they switched from SY to BY. We just grind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, many many August kids are on older end of their grade. Even in states where they could enter K if age 5 by 9/1 they wait a year to enter K. 8/1 captures them and the younger August kids can either play up or down. This “can’t please everyone” point is dumb when you can return to 8/1 as it was before and avoid continuing to trap August kids alone.

You have Aug. kid. Too bad for you. 9/1 will be official next week.

Yeah…were you this outraged when it was BY? Or was it ok because Aug birthdays benefitted more than Sep-Dec birthdays?

I have a Dec. who has grinded all those years on 2 ECNL and 2 MLSN teams. If no change this year, we are going to try 3rd NL team in our area. I have not complained when they switched from SY to BY. We just grind.

Sooo the fascination with Aug birthdays? Comes from your general concern? Or do they just not “grind” enough….

[Anonymous]

In BY kids from both grades are on the teams so even with trapped player issue kids have some grade peers. Under a SY format it’s particularly isolating and problematic from a trapped problem perspective to make only one month of kids play with the grade ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, many many August kids are on older end of their grade. Even in states where they could enter K if age 5 by 9/1 they wait a year to enter K. 8/1 captures them and the younger August kids can either play up or down. This “can’t please everyone” point is dumb when you can return to 8/1 as it was before and avoid continuing to trap August kids alone.

You have Aug. kid. Too bad for you. 9/1 will be official next week.

Says the Sept parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In BY kids from both grades are on the teams so even with trapped player issue kids have some grade peers. Under a SY format it’s particularly isolating and problematic from a trapped problem perspective to make only one month of kids play with the grade ahead.

This, respectfully, is one of the stupidest responses I’ve read on this thread….