The Karen meme silences White women

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I never said it wasn't good enough PP! You listed it as though it was evidence of something, I disagreed. Then another PP said I needed to give people credit, and again I disagreed. You read a book and went to a protest. Great! That does not mean no one can ever challenge you on issues of race or entitlement ever again.

I never tried to say ever you can't ever challenge me about race, ever again. Not sure where you're getting that.

Trying to make me feel sh!tty for trying isn't a great approach. I went down with my family once and with some black friends the second time. They seemed to think it was a good thing, so I'll hold on to that.

This is the rewriting of reality to fit a narrative that irritates the hell out me when dealing with y'all. I suggested you or whichever PP I was talking to channel their energy into actual issues. It was then suggested that I had not done anything (like they did because they went to a protest and read a book). I said I read the same book some time ago, this issue is not new for me. That is how this conversation began. I'm not trying to make you feel shifty for trying. I countered the points that were made against me. That is all.

Then stop rewriting the narrative yourself. I've bolded where you claimed I think I'm immune from challenge. I never, ever said that.

You keep mocking me for going to the protest and reading the book. Lots of condescending, snarky stuff about how you read it "years ago" when you were reading tons of other books on the subject.

I get it. You're angry and you have a right to be. But instead of abusing people and making up stuff, why don't you start threads on topics you think are important. Or participate on existing threads on topics you think are important.

Oh my God the victimhood is unreal! Please re read our conversation. I made one comment (one, not lots), call it snarky if you like, saying I had also read the book, in response to you saying you bet I hadn't done anything.

You say I "keep mocking you for going to a protest" and that is also not true. You brought up the protest in response to me suggesting you actually do something, and then suggested that you had done more than me. I corrected you.

I am not mocking you. I am not abusing you. I am not making things up. I am disagreeing with you on an internet forum. But you're so hell bent on being a victim you can't even see what is actually happening.

Since the Karen meme obviously doesn't silence you, please tell me, what will make you [b]be quiet and listen to others?? Because DAMN this is ridiculous. [/b]

There's no way I'm going to "be quiet and listen" to anybody who says it's OK to use a misogynistic term like "Karen." What a Karenish thing to demand.

You've added 5 pages to this thread yourself. Just saying. Why not take yourself over to one of the many BLM threads?

Why aren't you upset about all the threads about "Across the pond" and "bird feeding"? It's just white women that get your goat, apparently.

And btw, I don't care if you call me a victim, because I'm not. I don't care if you deny using language about "read it years ago" and "I won't give credit", because your words are right above. Keep insulting me, I don't care. But better would be for you to find something you see value in.

Sigh. You just used Karenish to describe behavior you don’t agree with.

I used it ironically. That should have been obvious.

Just stop calling people "victims" for calling out your behavior.

NPP. But "ironically" my a55. Own your bs.

Also, do you realize how much you try to tell people what to do? Look back at your posts for examples. It's weird; if not telling.

It's obviously irony. You're just butthurt because "Karen" fits you to a T. Weird how you don't like being called a Karen....

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're person who told someone else to STFU. Excuse me, to "be quiet and listen because DAMN you're ridiculous."

Own your own a$$hole behavior. There are effective, constructive ways to talk to people. And then there's your abusive way. You should learn the former. You'll never get anything done if you continue being an a$$hole like this. People are going to burn their copies of White Fragility.

Multiple people on this thread. Idk who told you to stfu but I did see someone say that to a white poster who didn’t care about Karen being used.

It’s not irony. It’s hypocrisy to use Karen as an insult when you are arguing it’s misogynist and silences assertive women. You don’t get to use it bc you’re angry and then yell at other ppl not to use it. Either you hate the word or you don’t.

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I never said it wasn't good enough PP! You listed it as though it was evidence of something, I disagreed. Then another PP said I needed to give people credit, and again I disagreed. You read a book and went to a protest. Great! That does not mean no one can ever challenge you on issues of race or entitlement ever again.

I never tried to say ever you can't ever challenge me about race, ever again. Not sure where you're getting that.

Trying to make me feel sh!tty for trying isn't a great approach. I went down with my family once and with some black friends the second time. They seemed to think it was a good thing, so I'll hold on to that.

This is the rewriting of reality to fit a narrative that irritates the hell out me when dealing with y'all. I suggested you or whichever PP I was talking to channel their energy into actual issues. It was then suggested that I had not done anything (like they did because they went to a protest and read a book). I said I read the same book some time ago, this issue is not new for me. That is how this conversation began. I'm not trying to make you feel shifty for trying. I countered the points that were made against me. That is all.

Then stop rewriting the narrative yourself. I've bolded where you claimed I think I'm immune from challenge. I never, ever said that.

You keep mocking me for going to the protest and reading the book. Lots of condescending, snarky stuff about how you read it "years ago" when you were reading tons of other books on the subject.

I get it. You're angry and you have a right to be. But instead of abusing people and making up stuff, why don't you start threads on topics you think are important. Or participate on existing threads on topics you think are important.

Oh my God the victimhood is unreal! Please re read our conversation. I made one comment (one, not lots), call it snarky if you like, saying I had also read the book, in response to you saying you bet I hadn't done anything.

You say I "keep mocking you for going to a protest" and that is also not true. You brought up the protest in response to me suggesting you actually do something, and then suggested that you had done more than me. I corrected you.

I am not mocking you. I am not abusing you. I am not making things up. I am disagreeing with you on an internet forum. But you're so hell bent on being a victim you can't even see what is actually happening.

Since the Karen meme obviously doesn't silence you, please tell me, what will make you [b]be quiet and listen to others?? Because DAMN this is ridiculous. [/b]

There's no way I'm going to "be quiet and listen" to anybody who says it's OK to use a misogynistic term like "Karen." What a Karenish thing to demand.

You've added 5 pages to this thread yourself. Just saying. Why not take yourself over to one of the many BLM threads?

Why aren't you upset about all the threads about "Across the pond" and "bird feeding"? It's just white women that get your goat, apparently.

And btw, I don't care if you call me a victim, because I'm not. I don't care if you deny using language about "read it years ago" and "I won't give credit", because your words are right above. Keep insulting me, I don't care. But better would be for you to find something you see value in.

Sigh. You just used Karenish to describe behavior you don’t agree with.

I used it ironically. That should have been obvious.

Just stop calling people "victims" for calling out your behavior.

NPP. But "ironically" my a55. Own your bs.

Also, do you realize how much you try to tell people what to do? Look back at your posts for examples. It's weird; if not telling.

It's obviously irony. You're just butthurt because "Karen" fits you to a T. Weird how you don't like being called a Karen....

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're person who told someone else to STFU. Excuse me, to "be quiet and listen because DAMN you're ridiculous."

Own your own a$$hole behavior. There are effective, constructive ways to talk to people. And then there's your abusive way. You should learn the former. You'll never get anything done if you continue being an a$$hole like this. People are going to burn their copies of White Fragility.

I'm the person you've been arguing with, not this PP or any of the posters on this page. I never told you to STFU.

Oh, and if you consider yourself an ally, please understand that black people don't owe you something because of it. If one person being "mean" to you on the internet is enough to shake your conviction, I think you have some additional soul searching to do. Please stop threatening POC that you'll stop working to dismantle racism and inequality if they aren't nice to you.

FFS stop twisting EVERYTHING I say. It's really sleazy of you.

Okay...that's what happened here...

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I never said it wasn't good enough PP! You listed it as though it was evidence of something, I disagreed. Then another PP said I needed to give people credit, and again I disagreed. You read a book and went to a protest. Great! That does not mean no one can ever challenge you on issues of race or entitlement ever again.

I never tried to say ever you can't ever challenge me about race, ever again. Not sure where you're getting that.

Trying to make me feel sh!tty for trying isn't a great approach. I went down with my family once and with some black friends the second time. They seemed to think it was a good thing, so I'll hold on to that.

This is the rewriting of reality to fit a narrative that irritates the hell out me when dealing with y'all. I suggested you or whichever PP I was talking to channel their energy into actual issues. It was then suggested that I had not done anything (like they did because they went to a protest and read a book). I said I read the same book some time ago, this issue is not new for me. That is how this conversation began. I'm not trying to make you feel shifty for trying. I countered the points that were made against me. That is all.

Then stop rewriting the narrative yourself. I've bolded where you claimed I think I'm immune from challenge. I never, ever said that.

You keep mocking me for going to the protest and reading the book. Lots of condescending, snarky stuff about how you read it "years ago" when you were reading tons of other books on the subject.

I get it. You're angry and you have a right to be. But instead of abusing people and making up stuff, why don't you start threads on topics you think are important. Or participate on existing threads on topics you think are important.

Oh my God the victimhood is unreal! Please re read our conversation. I made one comment (one, not lots), call it snarky if you like, saying I had also read the book, in response to you saying you bet I hadn't done anything.

You say I "keep mocking you for going to a protest" and that is also not true. You brought up the protest in response to me suggesting you actually do something, and then suggested that you had done more than me. I corrected you.

I am not mocking you. I am not abusing you. I am not making things up. I am disagreeing with you on an internet forum. But you're so hell bent on being a victim you can't even see what is actually happening.

Since the Karen meme obviously doesn't silence you, please tell me, what will make you be quiet and listen to others?? Because DAMN this is ridiculous.

I've been following this exchange and I absolutely LOVE how you've owned these busters. You made your points and backed them up.

I hope I (will) know you IRL.

One Love.

I'm trying...lol. I hope that one day when she's calmer, or maybe once she's finished the book, she can take a step back and see what's happening here with a different perspective.

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Oh, and if you consider yourself an ally, please understand that black people don't owe you something because of it. If one person being "mean" to you on the internet is enough to shake your conviction, I think you have some additional soul searching to do. Please stop threatening POC that you'll stop working to dismantle racism and inequality if they aren't nice to you.

You need to do your own soul searching. Your entire post is one big WTF.

I NEVER said you owed me anything. I never said that.

Stop calling me a victim for calling out your BULLYING, your INSULTS, and your attempts to control my behavior.

Stop deliberately MISINTERPRETING my statement about White Fragility. I said "people" were going to burn their White Fragility books after dealing with you. I didn't say I would. Of course you don't owe anybody anything. Of course people should be reading it and other books anyway. But there's a constructive way to do things. And then there's your entitled, FU-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on way of doing things. One approach is usually more successful than the other. You're doing a great job of driving people away and screwing up this chance to educate people.

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I never said it wasn't good enough PP! You listed it as though it was evidence of something, I disagreed. Then another PP said I needed to give people credit, and again I disagreed. You read a book and went to a protest. Great! That does not mean no one can ever challenge you on issues of race or entitlement ever again.

I never tried to say ever you can't ever challenge me about race, ever again. Not sure where you're getting that.

Trying to make me feel sh!tty for trying isn't a great approach. I went down with my family once and with some black friends the second time. They seemed to think it was a good thing, so I'll hold on to that.

This is the rewriting of reality to fit a narrative that irritates the hell out me when dealing with y'all. I suggested you or whichever PP I was talking to channel their energy into actual issues. It was then suggested that I had not done anything (like they did because they went to a protest and read a book). I said I read the same book some time ago, this issue is not new for me. That is how this conversation began. I'm not trying to make you feel shifty for trying. I countered the points that were made against me. That is all.

Then stop rewriting the narrative yourself. I've bolded where you claimed I think I'm immune from challenge. I never, ever said that.

You keep mocking me for going to the protest and reading the book. Lots of condescending, snarky stuff about how you read it "years ago" when you were reading tons of other books on the subject.

I get it. You're angry and you have a right to be. But instead of abusing people and making up stuff, why don't you start threads on topics you think are important. Or participate on existing threads on topics you think are important.

Oh my God the victimhood is unreal! Please re read our conversation. I made one comment (one, not lots), call it snarky if you like, saying I had also read the book, in response to you saying you bet I hadn't done anything.

You say I "keep mocking you for going to a protest" and that is also not true. You brought up the protest in response to me suggesting you actually do something, and then suggested that you had done more than me. I corrected you.

I am not mocking you. I am not abusing you. I am not making things up. I am disagreeing with you on an internet forum. But you're so hell bent on being a victim you can't even see what is actually happening.

Since the Karen meme obviously doesn't silence you, please tell me, what will make you be quiet and listen to others?? Because DAMN this is ridiculous.

I've been following this exchange and I absolutely LOVE how you've owned these busters. You made your points and backed them up.

I hope I (will) know you IRL.

One Love.

I'm trying...lol. I hope that one day when she's calmer, or maybe once she's finished the book, she can take a step back and see what's happening here with a different perspective.

LOL you think you're making people sympathetic and changing their perspective. You are, just not in the way you think.

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Posters do you understand there are trolls on here? That any douche nozzle can come in and make digs at either side just to keep this divisive stuff going? Is this a troll fighting a troll? Why does anyone engage with trolls? Two posters are so busy with I know you are but what am I, I can’t tell who is for and who is against the meme. Why even keep at it? Make your point and move on. You won’t persuade everyone and the people who continue to wage war are trying to get a rise out of you. You’re handing it to them.

My view: Karen is unquestionably misogynistic. I don’t like when anyone uses it. IRL the users are almost always men and of those men, a majority are white.These are facts. Another fact is that white incels are all over these boards. Stop rising to the bait.

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I never said it wasn't good enough PP! You listed it as though it was evidence of something, I disagreed. Then another PP said I needed to give people credit, and again I disagreed. You read a book and went to a protest. Great! That does not mean no one can ever challenge you on issues of race or entitlement ever again.

I never tried to say ever you can't ever challenge me about race, ever again. Not sure where you're getting that.

Trying to make me feel sh!tty for trying isn't a great approach. I went down with my family once and with some black friends the second time. They seemed to think it was a good thing, so I'll hold on to that.

This is the rewriting of reality to fit a narrative that irritates the hell out me when dealing with y'all. I suggested you or whichever PP I was talking to channel their energy into actual issues. It was then suggested that I had not done anything (like they did because they went to a protest and read a book). I said I read the same book some time ago, this issue is not new for me. That is how this conversation began. I'm not trying to make you feel shifty for trying. I countered the points that were made against me. That is all.

Then stop rewriting the narrative yourself. I've bolded where you claimed I think I'm immune from challenge. I never, ever said that.

You keep mocking me for going to the protest and reading the book. Lots of condescending, snarky stuff about how you read it "years ago" when you were reading tons of other books on the subject.

I get it. You're angry and you have a right to be. But instead of abusing people and making up stuff, why don't you start threads on topics you think are important. Or participate on existing threads on topics you think are important.

Oh my God the victimhood is unreal! Please re read our conversation. I made one comment (one, not lots), call it snarky if you like, saying I had also read the book, in response to you saying you bet I hadn't done anything.

You say I "keep mocking you for going to a protest" and that is also not true. You brought up the protest in response to me suggesting you actually do something, and then suggested that you had done more than me. I corrected you.

I am not mocking you. I am not abusing you. I am not making things up. I am disagreeing with you on an internet forum. But you're so hell bent on being a victim you can't even see what is actually happening.

Since the Karen meme obviously doesn't silence you, please tell me, what will make you be quiet and listen to others?? Because DAMN this is ridiculous.

I've been following this exchange and I absolutely LOVE how you've owned these busters. You made your points and backed them up.

I hope I (will) know you IRL.

One Love.

I'm trying...lol. I hope that one day when she's calmer, or maybe once she's finished the book, she can take a step back and see what's happening here with a different perspective.

LOL you think you're making people sympathetic and changing their perspective. You are, just not in the way you think.

Then they were never sympathetic nor were they ever allies.

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^^^ You tell yourself that. It's not true.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ You tell yourself that. It's not true.

A true conviction is not so easily shaken. Again, black people do not owe you good behavior, a pat on the back, nice words, or any other thing you feel entitled to for working to end racism. If you people behaving in ways that you don't like makes you stomp your feet and say to hell with your equality, you were never really an ally.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters do you understand there are trolls on here? That any douche nozzle can come in and make digs at either side just to keep this divisive stuff going? Is this a troll fighting a troll? Why does anyone engage with trolls? Two posters are so busy with I know you are but what am I, I can’t tell who is for and who is against the meme. Why even keep at it? Make your point and move on. You won’t persuade everyone and the people who continue to wage war are trying to get a rise out of you. You’re handing it to them.

My view: Karen is unquestionably misogynistic. I don’t like when anyone uses it. IRL the users are almost always men and of those men, a majority are white.These are facts. Another fact is that white incels are all over these boards. Stop rising to the bait.

White women try to shift any criticism of them onto “white males” and “incels,” but the white woman victimhood stereotype was already universally recognized. It didn’t start with the “Karen” meme. It’s been around for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters do you understand there are trolls on here? That any douche nozzle can come in and make digs at either side just to keep this divisive stuff going? Is this a troll fighting a troll? Why does anyone engage with trolls? Two posters are so busy with I know you are but what am I, I can’t tell who is for and who is against the meme. Why even keep at it? Make your point and move on. You won’t persuade everyone and the people who continue to wage war are trying to get a rise out of you. You’re handing it to them.

My view: Karen is unquestionably misogynistic. I don’t like when anyone uses it. IRL the users are almost always men and of those men, a majority are white.These are facts. Another fact is that white incels are all over these boards. Stop rising to the bait.

White women try to shift any criticism of them onto “white males” and “incels,” but the white woman victimhood stereotype was already universally recognized. It didn’t start with the “Karen” meme. It’s been around for a long time.

Go away, troll

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ You tell yourself that. It's not true.

A true conviction is not so easily shaken. Again, black people do not owe you good behavior, a pat on the back, nice words, or any other thing you feel entitled to for working to end racism. If you people behaving in ways that you don't like makes you stomp your feet and say to hell with your equality, you were never really an ally.

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If you really believe in something, you’ll do it regardless of whether people recognize you for it. This is why I’m ambivalent about everyone suddenly posting BLM stuff on Twitter, including corporations, now that it’s in fashion. If it’s sincere, great. But a lot of it is just people who want to be seen as the one of the “good white people.” But when it comes time to actually make difficult concessions, watch how those same people go radar silent.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters do you understand there are trolls on here? That any douche nozzle can come in and make digs at either side just to keep this divisive stuff going? Is this a troll fighting a troll? Why does anyone engage with trolls? Two posters are so busy with I know you are but what am I, I can’t tell who is for and who is against the meme. Why even keep at it? Make your point and move on. You won’t persuade everyone and the people who continue to wage war are trying to get a rise out of you. You’re handing it to them.

My view: Karen is unquestionably misogynistic. I don’t like when anyone uses it. IRL the users are almost always men and of those men, a majority are white.These are facts. Another fact is that white incels are all over these boards. Stop rising to the bait.

White women try to shift any criticism of them onto “white males” and “incels,” but the white woman victimhood stereotype was already universally recognized. It didn’t start with the “Karen” meme. It’s been around for a long time.

Yep.

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The original Karen. She kept it gangsta.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters do you understand there are trolls on here? That any douche nozzle can come in and make digs at either side just to keep this divisive stuff going? Is this a troll fighting a troll? Why does anyone engage with trolls? Two posters are so busy with I know you are but what am I, I can’t tell who is for and who is against the meme. Why even keep at it? Make your point and move on. You won’t persuade everyone and the people who continue to wage war are trying to get a rise out of you. You’re handing it to them.

My view: Karen is unquestionably misogynistic. I don’t like when anyone uses it. IRL the users are almost always men and of those men, a majority are white.These are facts. Another fact is that white incels are all over these boards. Stop rising to the bait.

White women try to shift any criticism of them onto “white males” and “incels,” but the white woman victimhood stereotype was already universally recognized. It didn’t start with the “Karen” meme. It’s been around for a long time.

Yep.

No. Karen has never been about white women’s victimhood. It’s always been about shutting down a woman of any race who gets out of line. That’s how social media has always used it. Trying to redefine it, as part of some sort of retaliation for racism, doesn’t work for this reason. Call a white woman who’s a racist just that. But don’t try to redefine a meme that everybody else has always used to shut white women down.