USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the entire thread, may have already been said, here is what will happen:

Protests continue through summer
Chicago Dem convention is a repeat of 68
Riots and violence lead to Trump presidency
Trump is elected and provides just as much if not more support to Israel

Yes if only Biden would listen to the people and change his support for Israel. Before he was elected he promised to hold the Saudis accountable. Now he thinks he can solve the Palestinians issue by making a deal with the Saudis to recognize Israel while not doing anything to address the Palestinians issue. Bet That does not work and leads to more unintentional consequences.

Though he is lot like LBJ in the Ukraine with his slowly introducing weapon systems and his out dated views on Israel.

Why does he need to listen to some "people"? This set of people, sometimes in life we hear "no", said or implied.
It seems that Palestinians and their supporters do not know what the word "no" means. They have been begging for 80 years, and the answer has been "no". Maybe others just don't want what you want. All that is left is for you to war so go for that.

Unpredictable things happen in war. Begging in concentration camps, begging in Gaza. Sounds like you’re willing to take those chances.

Act on your threats and see what happens.

Who’s threatening? Are you feeling alright?

Try to establish concentration camps or "begging in Gaza" (whatever that means) and see what happens. Just give it a shot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the entire thread, may have already been said, here is what will happen:

Protests continue through summer
Chicago Dem convention is a repeat of 68
Riots and violence lead to Trump presidency
Trump is elected and provides just as much if not more support to Israel

Yes if only Biden would listen to the people and change his support for Israel. Before he was elected he promised to hold the Saudis accountable. Now he thinks he can solve the Palestinians issue by making a deal with the Saudis to recognize Israel while not doing anything to address the Palestinians issue. Bet That does not work and leads to more unintentional consequences.

Though he is lot like LBJ in the Ukraine with his slowly introducing weapon systems and his out dated views on Israel.

Why does he need to listen to some "people"? This set of people, sometimes in life we hear "no", said or implied.
It seems that Palestinians and their supporters do not know what the word "no" means. They have been begging for 80 years, and the answer has been "no". Maybe others just don't want what you want. All that is left is for you to war so go for that.

Unpredictable things happen in war. Begging in concentration camps, begging in Gaza. Sounds like you’re willing to take those chances.

Act on your threats and see what happens.

Who’s threatening? Are you feeling alright?

Try to establish concentration camps or "begging in Gaza" (whatever that means) and see what happens. Just give it a shot.

What will be, will be. Hopefully lasting, sustainable peace prevails so everyone can avoid further suffering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the entire thread, may have already been said, here is what will happen:

Protests continue through summer
Chicago Dem convention is a repeat of 68
Riots and violence lead to Trump presidency
Trump is elected and provides just as much if not more support to Israel

Yes if only Biden would listen to the people and change his support for Israel. Before he was elected he promised to hold the Saudis accountable. Now he thinks he can solve the Palestinians issue by making a deal with the Saudis to recognize Israel while not doing anything to address the Palestinians issue. Bet That does not work and leads to more unintentional consequences.

Though he is lot like LBJ in the Ukraine with his slowly introducing weapon systems and his out dated views on Israel.

Why does he need to listen to some "people"? This set of people, sometimes in life we hear "no", said or implied.
It seems that Palestinians and their supporters do not know what the word "no" means. They have been begging for 80 years, and the answer has been "no". Maybe others just don't want what you want. All that is left is for you to war so go for that.

Unpredictable things happen in war. Begging in concentration camps, begging in Gaza. Sounds like you’re willing to take those chances.

Act on your threats and see what happens.

Who’s threatening? Are you feeling alright?

Try to establish concentration camps or "begging in Gaza" (whatever that means) and see what happens. Just give it a shot.

What will be, will be. Hopefully lasting, sustainable peace prevails so everyone can avoid further suffering.

Peace only when we get what we want--a noble stand

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the entire thread, may have already been said, here is what will happen:

Protests continue through summer
Chicago Dem convention is a repeat of 68
Riots and violence lead to Trump presidency
Trump is elected and provides just as much if not more support to Israel

Yes if only Biden would listen to the people and change his support for Israel. Before he was elected he promised to hold the Saudis accountable. Now he thinks he can solve the Palestinians issue by making a deal with the Saudis to recognize Israel while not doing anything to address the Palestinians issue. Bet That does not work and leads to more unintentional consequences.

Though he is lot like LBJ in the Ukraine with his slowly introducing weapon systems and his out dated views on Israel.

Why does he need to listen to some "people"? This set of people, sometimes in life we hear "no", said or implied.
It seems that Palestinians and their supporters do not know what the word "no" means. They have been begging for 80 years, and the answer has been "no". Maybe others just don't want what you want. All that is left is for you to war so go for that.

Unpredictable things happen in war. Begging in concentration camps, begging in Gaza. Sounds like you’re willing to take those chances.

Act on your threats and see what happens.

Who’s threatening? Are you feeling alright?

Try to establish concentration camps or "begging in Gaza" (whatever that means) and see what happens. Just give it a shot.

What will be, will be. Hopefully lasting, sustainable peace prevails so everyone can avoid further suffering.

Peace only when we get what we want--a noble stand

vs. peace only if we keep what we already have, preserving the status quo?

What’s the difference?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Time to defund aipac

How? AIPAC members are amongst the wealthiest in this country.

Crippling tax laws for organizations like AIPAC? Why not? Lobbying in furtherance of a foreign entity SHOULD BE criminalized with harsh penalties, but if not, why wouldn’t crippling taxes imposed on the donor and the recipient organization do the trick?

We don’t want to enable foreign entities to influence U.S. policy, and certainly not from our soil. In order to rein it in, taxes.

Voila. Next?

So, wait a minute. You must also be against any group lobbying for Ukraine aid, correct?
DP

Support for Israel came from the top via lobby groups.
In contrast, Ukraine had the popular support.

What a joke. Both were foisted upon us by politicians who look out for their own interests and keep the military "defense" industry happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the entire thread, may have already been said, here is what will happen:

Protests continue through summer
Chicago Dem convention is a repeat of 68
Riots and violence lead to Trump presidency
Trump is elected and provides just as much if not more support to Israel

Yes if only Biden would listen to the people and change his support for Israel. Before he was elected he promised to hold the Saudis accountable. Now he thinks he can solve the Palestinians issue by making a deal with the Saudis to recognize Israel while not doing anything to address the Palestinians issue. Bet That does not work and leads to more unintentional consequences.

Though he is lot like LBJ in the Ukraine with his slowly introducing weapon systems and his out dated views on Israel.

Why does he need to listen to some "people"? This set of people, sometimes in life we hear "no", said or implied.
It seems that Palestinians and their supporters do not know what the word "no" means. They have been begging for 80 years, and the answer has been "no". Maybe others just don't want what you want. All that is left is for you to war so go for that.

You seem like the kind of person who would have been OK with slavery in the US because "Maybe others just don't want what you want."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time to defund aipac

How? AIPAC members are amongst the wealthiest in this country.

Crippling tax laws for organizations like AIPAC? Why not? Lobbying in furtherance of a foreign entity SHOULD BE criminalized with harsh penalties, but if not, why wouldn’t crippling taxes imposed on the donor and the recipient organization do the trick?

We don’t want to enable foreign entities to influence U.S. policy, and certainly not from our soil. In order to rein it in, taxes.

Voila. Next?

So, wait a minute. You must also be against any group lobbying for Ukraine aid, correct?
DP

ABSOLUTELY! That was the first qualification made - and all similar organizations! No foreign country or governmental agency / entity should be allowed to lobby on U.S. soil (either directly or through an org like AIPAC), and U.S. officials who accept $$$ from them should be prosecuted aggressively.

We have enough $$$ in federal government payroll that these boobs should be able to competently formulate foreign policy (based on U.S. interests only!) without allowing to also accept a pile of $100.00 bills folded into an origami colossus every quarter.

I mean, I know you had an agenda in thinking you had a gotcha! moment there, but please read what’s written before seeing boogeyman where there are none.

If this money goes away which of your goals will be achieved?

Hopefully, peaceful coexistence will follow foreign policy that isn’t so destructive. That’s my only goal.

I’m not here for annihilation or whatever other machinations you try to impose on the agenda of others. Peace. That’s all.

And if you belong to a group that cannot find your way to peaceful coexistence with those around you, maybe you need to look inward?

Peaceful coexistence in status quo sounds fine. That is what AIPAC seeks to achieve. Nothing immoral about that. Your not liking this is a problem is is a circumstance

Sometimes people misinterpret problems that will inevitably lead to change as mere circumstance. And sometimes change that occurs without compromise and participation from all sides leads to very unfortunate shifts in fortune.

That’s what Israel and her supporters face. They can agree to compromise and be part of the design of what peaceful coexistence looks like moving forward. Or they can be recalcitrant and take their chances that the fortunes for Israel and the pro-Israel crowd in the future won’t be much less pleasant than what they enjoy today.

The design based on who's design and preferences? Do you realize saying Israel do what we want you to so because we want it. That is your argument? This is what the protestors are doing--expecting all to do what they want because they yell and disrupt. Why do you consider stating preferences, yelling, and disrupting, as power? It is not.

Whether it is power or not it certainly got someone spooked. Calling for a university president to resign shows how afraid they are.

That doesn't show that they are afraid. The calls show that they realize the president is letting her school be taken advantage of and letting her students be bullied (all students, not just Jews)--if I were a student I would not want to all day, day after day have groups of people yelling in my face telling me what I must do and think. Thst is harassment.

Related, why don't we all just break social norms. Let us all go around, in large groups, disrupting meetings, classes, transit, telling people what we want. I hate the plastic bag bans. I am going to disrupt everything to share this. I hate how the lack of proper elder care in our country, a disgrace. Why don't I form a group and storm all press conferences, movie premiers, award shows.

Silence in the face of barbarism is not appealing. I guess you thought Israel could just keep murdering civilians and the world wouldn’t notice.

Now the world has. The college students are in the vanguard. It’s up to you how to respond. You can try to repress the messengers to assuage your own feelings of guilt and complicity, or you can also support the students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time to defund aipac

How? AIPAC members are amongst the wealthiest in this country.

Crippling tax laws for organizations like AIPAC? Why not? Lobbying in furtherance of a foreign entity SHOULD BE criminalized with harsh penalties, but if not, why wouldn’t crippling taxes imposed on the donor and the recipient organization do the trick?

We don’t want to enable foreign entities to influence U.S. policy, and certainly not from our soil. In order to rein it in, taxes.

Voila. Next?

So, wait a minute. You must also be against any group lobbying for Ukraine aid, correct?
DP

ABSOLUTELY! That was the first qualification made - and all similar organizations! No foreign country or governmental agency / entity should be allowed to lobby on U.S. soil (either directly or through an org like AIPAC), and U.S. officials who accept $$$ from them should be prosecuted aggressively.

We have enough $$$ in federal government payroll that these boobs should be able to competently formulate foreign policy (based on U.S. interests only!) without allowing to also accept a pile of $100.00 bills folded into an origami colossus every quarter.

I mean, I know you had an agenda in thinking you had a gotcha! moment there, but please read what’s written before seeing boogeyman where there are none.

If this money goes away which of your goals will be achieved?

Hopefully, peaceful coexistence will follow foreign policy that isn’t so destructive. That’s my only goal.

I’m not here for annihilation or whatever other machinations you try to impose on the agenda of others. Peace. That’s all.

And if you belong to a group that cannot find your way to peaceful coexistence with those around you, maybe you need to look inward?

Peaceful coexistence in status quo sounds fine. That is what AIPAC seeks to achieve. Nothing immoral about that. Your not liking this is a problem is is a circumstance

Sometimes people misinterpret problems that will inevitably lead to change as mere circumstance. And sometimes change that occurs without compromise and participation from all sides leads to very unfortunate shifts in fortune.

That’s what Israel and her supporters face. They can agree to compromise and be part of the design of what peaceful coexistence looks like moving forward. Or they can be recalcitrant and take their chances that the fortunes for Israel and the pro-Israel crowd in the future won’t be much less pleasant than what they enjoy today.

The design based on who's design and preferences? Do you realize saying Israel do what we want you to so because we want it. That is your argument? This is what the protestors are doing--expecting all to do what they want because they yell and disrupt. Why do you consider stating preferences, yelling, and disrupting, as power? It is not.

Whether it is power or not it certainly got someone spooked. Calling for a university president to resign shows how afraid they are.

That doesn't show that they are afraid. The calls show that they realize the president is letting her school be taken advantage of and letting her students be bullied (all students, not just Jews)--if I were a student I would not want to all day, day after day have groups of people yelling in my face telling me what I must do and think. Thst is harassment.

Related, why don't we all just break social norms. Let us all go around, in large groups, disrupting meetings, classes, transit, telling people what we want. I hate the plastic bag bans. I am going to disrupt everything to share this. I hate how the lack of proper elder care in our country, a disgrace. Why don't I form a group and storm all press conferences, movie premiers, award shows.

Silence in the face of barbarism is not appealing. I guess you thought Israel could just keep murdering civilians and the world wouldn’t notice.

Now the world has. The college students are in the vanguard. It’s up to you how to respond. You can try to repress the messengers to assuage your own feelings of guilt and complicity, or you can also support the students.

Funny. Just expel the students and arrest those that over stay their welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, I’m going to assume every person wearing a mask is Hamas.

In a Venn diagram of who wears masks and for what reason, there is a lot of overlay. Sheeple that think they are saving the world one mask at a time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time to defund aipac

How? AIPAC members are amongst the wealthiest in this country.

Crippling tax laws for organizations like AIPAC? Why not? Lobbying in furtherance of a foreign entity SHOULD BE criminalized with harsh penalties, but if not, why wouldn’t crippling taxes imposed on the donor and the recipient organization do the trick?

We don’t want to enable foreign entities to influence U.S. policy, and certainly not from our soil. In order to rein it in, taxes.

Voila. Next?

So, wait a minute. You must also be against any group lobbying for Ukraine aid, correct?
DP

ABSOLUTELY! That was the first qualification made - and all similar organizations! No foreign country or governmental agency / entity should be allowed to lobby on U.S. soil (either directly or through an org like AIPAC), and U.S. officials who accept $$$ from them should be prosecuted aggressively.

We have enough $$$ in federal government payroll that these boobs should be able to competently formulate foreign policy (based on U.S. interests only!) without allowing to also accept a pile of $100.00 bills folded into an origami colossus every quarter.

I mean, I know you had an agenda in thinking you had a gotcha! moment there, but please read what’s written before seeing boogeyman where there are none.

If this money goes away which of your goals will be achieved?

Hopefully, peaceful coexistence will follow foreign policy that isn’t so destructive. That’s my only goal.

I’m not here for annihilation or whatever other machinations you try to impose on the agenda of others. Peace. That’s all.

And if you belong to a group that cannot find your way to peaceful coexistence with those around you, maybe you need to look inward?

Peaceful coexistence in status quo sounds fine. That is what AIPAC seeks to achieve. Nothing immoral about that. Your not liking this is a problem is is a circumstance

Sometimes people misinterpret problems that will inevitably lead to change as mere circumstance. And sometimes change that occurs without compromise and participation from all sides leads to very unfortunate shifts in fortune.

That’s what Israel and her supporters face. They can agree to compromise and be part of the design of what peaceful coexistence looks like moving forward. Or they can be recalcitrant and take their chances that the fortunes for Israel and the pro-Israel crowd in the future won’t be much less pleasant than what they enjoy today.

The design based on who's design and preferences? Do you realize saying Israel do what we want you to so because we want it. That is your argument? This is what the protestors are doing--expecting all to do what they want because they yell and disrupt. Why do you consider stating preferences, yelling, and disrupting, as power? It is not.

Whether it is power or not it certainly got someone spooked. Calling for a university president to resign shows how afraid they are.

That doesn't show that they are afraid. The calls show that they realize the president is letting her school be taken advantage of and letting her students be bullied (all students, not just Jews)--if I were a student I would not want to all day, day after day have groups of people yelling in my face telling me what I must do and think. Thst is harassment.

Related, why don't we all just break social norms. Let us all go around, in large groups, disrupting meetings, classes, transit, telling people what we want. I hate the plastic bag bans. I am going to disrupt everything to share this. I hate how the lack of proper elder care in our country, a disgrace. Why don't I form a group and storm all press conferences, movie premiers, award shows.

Silence in the face of barbarism is not appealing. I guess you thought Israel could just keep murdering civilians and the world wouldn’t notice.

Now the world has. The college students are in the vanguard. It’s up to you how to respond. You can try to repress the messengers to assuage your own feelings of guilt and complicity, or you can also support the students.

Israel most certainly can continue until Hamas surrenders. Hamas should not have started the current conflict. Its on Hamas to end it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Going forward, I’m going to assume every person wearing a mask is Hamas.

They don't want to be black listed by employers like Ackman did to earlier protesters.

If they are so certain that they are on the right side of history, why mask?

[Anonymous]

NYPD responds to AOC.

Truly amazing! Columbia decided to hold its students accountable to the laws of the school. They are seeing the consequences of their actions. Something these kids were most likely never taught. Good SAT scores and self-entitlement do not supersede the law. I am sure you would agree that we have to teach them these valuable life skills.

Secondly, I was with those “units” last Thursday that you describe as having, “the most violent reputations.” These “units” removed students with great care and professionalism, not a single incident was reported.

The only incidents that day on campus were the student's hateful anti-Semitic speech and vile language towards our cops. I am sure you agree any hateful speech is unacceptable. You should rethink your comments to a simple thank you to the NYPD and hate has no place in our society.

Maybe you should walk around Columbia and NYU and listen to their remarks of pure hatred. I will ensure those “units” will protect you as they do for all NYers 24/7/365.

Lack of accountability = consequences✅

Hate from anyone, anywhere has no place in our city and country.✅

[Anonymous]

Students have often proven to know more, to be right. Cf. Columbia 1968 anti-Vietnam protest that went national. Columbia did its part in ending the war. Now, they are at it again. Follow the Columbia lead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Time to defund aipac

Can ANYONE make a cogent argument for why AIPAC (and any organization like it) is allowed to exist and operate on U.S. soil? What’s the argument for?

Lobbying with money is an inherent part of the US political system. If you have issues with that, then US style democracy is not for you.
For the vast majority of Jewish American's love for Israel is a part of their religion/identity. They use the existing political structure of lobbying to achieve their singular goal of loving and funding Israel.....

That goal is fine for those people, for that special interest. Makes sense. But then why persist with the pretense that U.S. foreign policy is based on anything other than who spends the most to buy the most influential of the political elite? I mean, that’s essentially the argument you’re making …

The ROI on those donations to AIPAC must be astronomical … no wonder Jewish Americans don’t just route their $$$ directly to Israel! $70 - $80M to have control over that much foreign aid and influence in Congress and the U.N.? Wow, that is the best money ever spent!

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any ethnic group in the world. Since 1950, 29 percent of Nobel Prizes have been awarded to Ashkenazi Jews, who represent 0.25 percent of the global population.

The protests are about EQ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the entire thread, may have already been said, here is what will happen:

Protests continue through summer
Chicago Dem convention is a repeat of 68
Riots and violence lead to Trump presidency
Trump is elected and provides just as much if not more support to Israel

Yes if only Biden would listen to the people and change his support for Israel. Before he was elected he promised to hold the Saudis accountable. Now he thinks he can solve the Palestinians issue by making a deal with the Saudis to recognize Israel while not doing anything to address the Palestinians issue. Bet That does not work and leads to more unintentional consequences.

Though he is lot like LBJ in the Ukraine with his slowly introducing weapon systems and his out dated views on Israel.

Why does he need to listen to some "people"? This set of people, sometimes in life we hear "no", said or implied.
It seems that Palestinians and their supporters do not know what the word "no" means. They have been begging for 80 years, and the answer has been "no". Maybe others just don't want what you want. All that is left is for you to war so go for that.

It’s not some people. A recent survey by The Wall Street journal show that 60% of voters do not agree with his handling of the conflict.