Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
I'll be honest, this is the first one my family hasn't gotten. And the reason is simple. Every one of these vaccinations have made me (and some of the other family members) really sick for about 24-48 hours. I seem to get it the worst. I can't take a day or two off work every time I"m vaccinated. (I don't get that way with flu shot, fwiw. But these COVID vaccinations really cause me grief).
Get it on a Friday. Find a 3-day weekend (there have been a few since the new shot came out, and there's one coming up soon).
I get crappy vax reactions, too. But I still get my shot. If the vax is that rough, how awful is the disease without it gonna be?
DP, but for me, every shot except for the first one has been far worse than my two cases of COVID. It's pretty hard to justify getting it with that track record.
People continue to have this rationalisation that if the shot is this bad, imagine if they had COVID and that just isn't statistically true for most people. Anecdotal sure, but I know people unvaccinated who had no idea they were infected and people vaccinated out the wazoo who were on death's door and lots in-between on both sides of the vaccination status. I guess it's one of those things people tell themselves to convince themselves they should continue to get vaccinated? I don't know. Its impossible to prove or disapprove because every individual is different and you can't prove a what-if scenario in this case but its just a weird argument that isn't really routed in anything other than someone's belief or feelings.
I"m the "I'll be honest poster . . . " i have no problem getting a vaccination, no problems with vaccinations in general, and my family gets all the recommended ones. But we are super busy right now and we just can't be sidelined for 1-2 days.
So if you get sidelined with covid for 5 days of isolation and 5 days of masking you just... won't, right? Because you're so busy? And then you and yours will pass it all around, and everyone else will just go to work/school sick because you're all just so busy? Too busy to test?
👏No👏One👏Is👏Doing👏This👏Any👏More👏
Except maybe you.
You wish, because it would justify your lazy-ass approach to not giving a fsck about anyone/anything but your stupid self, but plenty of people can read and follow simple instructions, and also care about others. You're not alone in your clownass approach to life, but you're far from the majority, dipshit.
Actually, this ignorant type is the majority. Most smarter people are getting the vaccines, much like the yearly flu vaccine, and masking in crowded places or when there is a surge. The people I know who want to pretend everything is "normal"...well, they are getting Covid right about now..
Okay and … ?
Has the world stopped turning? Are they dropping dead left and right?
Have you considered that some of us don’t think it’s some huge deal to catch COVID? And I guarantee the people living life as normal are event testing so they probably don’t even know they have it if they do.
So, if you don't care that you get covid, why bully others into the vaccine?
DP, I don't care if you get the vaccine. That's your choice. But don't expect others to change their behavior for you to make up for that choice.
How would my getting the vaccine help me? It made me sick for months. It is not stopping transmission so regardless of if I take the shot, I’ll still get Covid from you. Stop hiding behind the vaccine.
You got Novavax and got sick for months? Has it even been available for months?
My facility doesn't offer Novavax, and they are recommending I not take it outside their facility which has an ER attached in case I have another reaction. Interesting you know more than they do. How is the Novavax better? How is it healthy to keep injecting this stuff in you?
If you'd simply be more cautious and not spread it, it would put the rest of us at less risk. See how that works.
It doesn't matter how cautious anyone is when about 50% of infections are asymptomatic. If you want to be part of society, you're going to get covid. All you have control over is whether you're going to be vaccinated before you do.
because it's 'just a cold' to some lucky bastards, and they make the rules now. Nobody can force common sense or common decency. This is just how it is.
Again, 50% of infections or more are asymptomatic. These people would have no way to know they're infected and possibly contagious.
They make these things called "tests". If people used them before going into crowded public spaces (concerts, planes, god forbid schools after holiday breaks when they'd traveled), and masked, the numbers would be lower and conditions would be safer. But that would require care. Nobody cares.
The thing about not caring about others is that nobody ends up caring about you either. Why go down that road at all?
The Covid nutters on X insist that the tests aren’t accurate anyway. If you test negative, they don’t believe you. In their minds, everyone has Covid all the time, no matter what, and every death is because of Covid. No other explanation for anything. Even road rage—it’s apparently from Covid-induced brain damage.
Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
Yes, actually. Also the people making deliveries and working in hospitals... Some people truly were essential, and only a handful of them got any recognition. None of them got credit, and we're all "back to normal" now, taking all that human infrastructure for granted again. Because masks are itchy.
I'll be honest, this is the first one my family hasn't gotten. And the reason is simple. Every one of these vaccinations have made me (and some of the other family members) really sick for about 24-48 hours. I seem to get it the worst. I can't take a day or two off work every time I"m vaccinated. (I don't get that way with flu shot, fwiw. But these COVID vaccinations really cause me grief).
Get it on a Friday. Find a 3-day weekend (there have been a few since the new shot came out, and there's one coming up soon).
I get crappy vax reactions, too. But I still get my shot. If the vax is that rough, how awful is the disease without it gonna be?
DP, but for me, every shot except for the first one has been far worse than my two cases of COVID. It's pretty hard to justify getting it with that track record.
People continue to have this rationalisation that if the shot is this bad, imagine if they had COVID and that just isn't statistically true for most people. Anecdotal sure, but I know people unvaccinated who had no idea they were infected and people vaccinated out the wazoo who were on death's door and lots in-between on both sides of the vaccination status. I guess it's one of those things people tell themselves to convince themselves they should continue to get vaccinated? I don't know. Its impossible to prove or disapprove because every individual is different and you can't prove a what-if scenario in this case but its just a weird argument that isn't really routed in anything other than someone's belief or feelings.
I"m the "I'll be honest poster . . . " i have no problem getting a vaccination, no problems with vaccinations in general, and my family gets all the recommended ones. But we are super busy right now and we just can't be sidelined for 1-2 days.
So if you get sidelined with covid for 5 days of isolation and 5 days of masking you just... won't, right? Because you're so busy? And then you and yours will pass it all around, and everyone else will just go to work/school sick because you're all just so busy? Too busy to test?
👏No👏One👏Is👏Doing👏This👏Any👏More👏
Except maybe you.
You wish, because it would justify your lazy-ass approach to not giving a fsck about anyone/anything but your stupid self, but plenty of people can read and follow simple instructions, and also care about others. You're not alone in your clownass approach to life, but you're far from the majority, dipshit.
Actually, this ignorant type is the majority. Most smarter people are getting the vaccines, much like the yearly flu vaccine, and masking in crowded places or when there is a surge. The people I know who want to pretend everything is "normal"...well, they are getting Covid right about now..
Okay and … ?
Has the world stopped turning? Are they dropping dead left and right?
Have you considered that some of us don’t think it’s some huge deal to catch COVID? And I guarantee the people living life as normal are event testing so they probably don’t even know they have it if they do.
So, if you don't care that you get covid, why bully others into the vaccine?
DP, I don't care if you get the vaccine. That's your choice. But don't expect others to change their behavior for you to make up for that choice.
How would my getting the vaccine help me? It made me sick for months. It is not stopping transmission so regardless of if I take the shot, I’ll still get Covid from you. Stop hiding behind the vaccine.
You got Novavax and got sick for months? Has it even been available for months?
My facility doesn't offer Novavax, and they are recommending I not take it outside their facility which has an ER attached in case I have another reaction. Interesting you know more than they do. How is the Novavax better? How is it healthy to keep injecting this stuff in you?
If you'd simply be more cautious and not spread it, it would put the rest of us at less risk. See how that works.
It doesn't matter how cautious anyone is when about 50% of infections are asymptomatic. If you want to be part of society, you're going to get covid. All you have control over is whether you're going to be vaccinated before you do.
because it's 'just a cold' to some lucky bastards, and they make the rules now. Nobody can force common sense or common decency. This is just how it is.
Again, 50% of infections or more are asymptomatic. These people would have no way to know they're infected and possibly contagious.
They make these things called "tests". If people used them before going into crowded public spaces (concerts, planes, god forbid schools after holiday breaks when they'd traveled), and masked, the numbers would be lower and conditions would be safer. But that would require care. Nobody cares.
The thing about not caring about others is that nobody ends up caring about you either. Why go down that road at all?
The Covid nutters on X insist that the tests aren’t accurate anyway. If you test negative, they don’t believe you. In their minds, everyone has Covid all the time, no matter what, and every death is because of Covid. No other explanation for anything. Even road rage—it’s apparently from Covid-induced brain damage.
Why are you on X at all, and why post about it here? Seems like a bit of a self-own to me.
I'll be honest, this is the first one my family hasn't gotten. And the reason is simple. Every one of these vaccinations have made me (and some of the other family members) really sick for about 24-48 hours. I seem to get it the worst. I can't take a day or two off work every time I"m vaccinated. (I don't get that way with flu shot, fwiw. But these COVID vaccinations really cause me grief).
Get it on a Friday. Find a 3-day weekend (there have been a few since the new shot came out, and there's one coming up soon).
I get crappy vax reactions, too. But I still get my shot. If the vax is that rough, how awful is the disease without it gonna be?
DP, but for me, every shot except for the first one has been far worse than my two cases of COVID. It's pretty hard to justify getting it with that track record.
People continue to have this rationalisation that if the shot is this bad, imagine if they had COVID and that just isn't statistically true for most people. Anecdotal sure, but I know people unvaccinated who had no idea they were infected and people vaccinated out the wazoo who were on death's door and lots in-between on both sides of the vaccination status. I guess it's one of those things people tell themselves to convince themselves they should continue to get vaccinated? I don't know. Its impossible to prove or disapprove because every individual is different and you can't prove a what-if scenario in this case but its just a weird argument that isn't really routed in anything other than someone's belief or feelings.
I"m the "I'll be honest poster . . . " i have no problem getting a vaccination, no problems with vaccinations in general, and my family gets all the recommended ones. But we are super busy right now and we just can't be sidelined for 1-2 days.
So if you get sidelined with covid for 5 days of isolation and 5 days of masking you just... won't, right? Because you're so busy? And then you and yours will pass it all around, and everyone else will just go to work/school sick because you're all just so busy? Too busy to test?
👏No👏One👏Is👏Doing👏This👏Any👏More👏
Except maybe you.
You wish, because it would justify your lazy-ass approach to not giving a fsck about anyone/anything but your stupid self, but plenty of people can read and follow simple instructions, and also care about others. You're not alone in your clownass approach to life, but you're far from the majority, dipshit.
Actually, this ignorant type is the majority. Most smarter people are getting the vaccines, much like the yearly flu vaccine, and masking in crowded places or when there is a surge. The people I know who want to pretend everything is "normal"...well, they are getting Covid right about now..
Okay and … ?
Has the world stopped turning? Are they dropping dead left and right?
Have you considered that some of us don’t think it’s some huge deal to catch COVID? And I guarantee the people living life as normal are event testing so they probably don’t even know they have it if they do.
So, if you don't care that you get covid, why bully others into the vaccine?
DP, I don't care if you get the vaccine. That's your choice. But don't expect others to change their behavior for you to make up for that choice.
How would my getting the vaccine help me? It made me sick for months. It is not stopping transmission so regardless of if I take the shot, I’ll still get Covid from you. Stop hiding behind the vaccine.
You got Novavax and got sick for months? Has it even been available for months?
My facility doesn't offer Novavax, and they are recommending I not take it outside their facility which has an ER attached in case I have another reaction. Interesting you know more than they do. How is the Novavax better? How is it healthy to keep injecting this stuff in you?
If you'd simply be more cautious and not spread it, it would put the rest of us at less risk. See how that works.
It doesn't matter how cautious anyone is when about 50% of infections are asymptomatic. If you want to be part of society, you're going to get covid. All you have control over is whether you're going to be vaccinated before you do.
because it's 'just a cold' to some lucky bastards, and they make the rules now. Nobody can force common sense or common decency. This is just how it is.
Again, 50% of infections or more are asymptomatic. These people would have no way to know they're infected and possibly contagious.
They make these things called "tests". If people used them before going into crowded public spaces (concerts, planes, god forbid schools after holiday breaks when they'd traveled), and masked, the numbers would be lower and conditions would be safer. But that would require care. Nobody cares.
The thing about not caring about others is that nobody ends up caring about you either. Why go down that road at all?
The Covid nutters on X insist that the tests aren’t accurate anyway. If you test negative, they don’t believe you. In their minds, everyone has Covid all the time, no matter what, and every death is because of Covid. No other explanation for anything. Even road rage—it’s apparently from Covid-induced brain damage.
Why are you on X at all, and why post about it here? Seems like a bit of a self-own to me.
Literally the only reason I go there is to try to understand the mindset of these people via the account of someone I know in real life. That’s it. I’m completely and utterly fascinated by the way they think, and I guess by how social media divides and brainwashes overall.
Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
Are you masking, keeping your distance, etc. to help keep them safe? Of course not.
Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
Yes, actually. Also the people making deliveries and working in hospitals... Some people truly were essential, and only a handful of them got any recognition. None of them got credit, and we're all "back to normal" now, taking all that human infrastructure for granted again. Because masks are itchy.
Until next time, folx!
It would be nice if hospital staff and doctors masked still. Have a bit of decency when you are taking care of sick people and those of us with health issues and your making us sick can be very serious especially when you are a bad doctor and barely help as it is.
Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
Yes, actually. Also the people making deliveries and working in hospitals... Some people truly were essential, and only a handful of them got any recognition. None of them got credit, and we're all "back to normal" now, taking all that human infrastructure for granted again. Because masks are itchy.
Until next time, folx!
It would be nice if hospital staff and doctors masked still. Have a bit of decency when you are taking care of sick people and those of us with health issues and your making us sick can be very serious especially when you are a bad doctor and barely help as it is.
It's not enough that they're taking care of you? Why don't you wear a mask to protect yourself?
Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
Yes, actually. Also the people making deliveries and working in hospitals... Some people truly were essential, and only a handful of them got any recognition. None of them got credit, and we're all "back to normal" now, taking all that human infrastructure for granted again. Because masks are itchy.
Until next time, folx!
It would be nice if hospital staff and doctors masked still. Have a bit of decency when you are taking care of sick people and those of us with health issues and your making us sick can be very serious especially when you are a bad doctor and barely help as it is.
It's not enough that they're taking care of you? Why don't you wear a mask to protect yourself?
No, it's not. They're doctors, they should know better. It's a clinical setting, and masks should be available. Fine if they don't want to wear one all day, but if you see a patient come in with one, put one on.
Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
Yes, actually. Also the people making deliveries and working in hospitals... Some people truly were essential, and only a handful of them got any recognition. None of them got credit, and we're all "back to normal" now, taking all that human infrastructure for granted again. Because masks are itchy.
Until next time, folx!
It would be nice if hospital staff and doctors masked still. Have a bit of decency when you are taking care of sick people and those of us with health issues and your making us sick can be very serious especially when you are a bad doctor and barely help as it is.
It's not enough that they're taking care of you? Why don't you wear a mask to protect yourself?
No, it's not. They're doctors, they should know better. It's a clinical setting, and masks should be available. Fine if they don't want to wear one all day, but if you see a patient come in with one, put one on.
I've had uber drivers understand this...
Maybe you should find different doctors that are more willing to cater to your anxiety.
I've noticed here on DCUM lots of new Covid Poz people posting. I feel like a surge isn't just possible but may actually be here. Plus, with yesterday's rain people were indoors all day together!
Anonymous wrote:I've noticed here on DCUM lots of new Covid Poz people posting. I feel like a surge isn't just possible but may actually be here. Plus, with yesterday's rain people were indoors all day together!
No doubt there are lots of cases out there, but anonymous posts on DCUM aren’t indicative of anything. Anyone can post anything on here as often as they want to.
Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.
Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge. Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week. But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.
+1. Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.
The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15. No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.
Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)
It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.
Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.
How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.
Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.
Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, we'll still be fine. More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.
Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.
DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?
Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.
At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.
Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.
Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.
I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus.
No deaths, no spread. If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all. My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them. So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues. Not all of us are as blessed as you.
No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.
You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline.
How did lockdowns work for China?
And are we going to keep pretending there weren’t negative second order effects from shutting down/isolating or is COVID the only potential harm that counts?
More learning loss, economic messes, increase in crime and mental health issues is totally worth it!
It seems like it worked well. They waited it out till COVID-19 became less serious. Sounds sensible to me. There was always mental health, there will always be mental health issues, and suicides and other things went down during covid. Learning loss is a joke as it is due to the change in curriculum, bad new teaching styles and parents not enforcing their kids to attend school and do homework. If you were worried about learning loss, you could have supplemented at home, and/or, many school systems had free tutoring.
OT, but yes, this. Blaming learning loss on the pandemic is some smooth politics.
No, it wasn't the pandemic that caused learning loss. It was the decisions of schools boards and teachers unions to keep schools closed for so long. The pandemic didn't cause that-- people making poor decisions did.
Right. Teachers should just risk death to teach your kid. Fock you, pp.
The pandemic pointed out how egregiously this country relies on public education as childcare for the benefit of big business. Don't blame teachers for pushing back against that, especially considering how little they get paid.
Is that how you described grocery and food service workers? "Risking death" so you could eat?
Are you masking, keeping your distance, etc. to help keep them safe? Of course not.
Anonymous wrote:I've noticed here on DCUM lots of new Covid Poz people posting. I feel like a surge isn't just possible but may actually be here. Plus, with yesterday's rain people were indoors all day together!
This week is going to be a doozy. 4-5 days after exposure, people who are gonna be symptomatic are. So after the post-holiday "swapping of the cooties" last week, a lot of people are going to be sick right about now. Not just covid, but there's a highly-infectious strain of covid going around.
Anonymous wrote:I've noticed here on DCUM lots of new Covid Poz people posting. I feel like a surge isn't just possible but may actually be here. Plus, with yesterday's rain people were indoors all day together!m
Dude it’s January. No one is hanging out outside anyway. Your rain theory is BS. Bring on the surge.
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