Data on CES students accepted from each school?

[Anonymous]

Just wondering if there is data listed on how many students are selected from each Elementary School for the regional CES programs. Anyone know if that exists and where to find it?

[Anonymous]

You can do a public information act and request. I don't think they have released publicly. In my child's year it ranged from two from one school to more than 10 from another school but then some kids got off the waitlist later so does that count for you?

[Anonymous]

No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.

There is a good chance the OP already knows this and is just looking to stir up controversy and resentment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.

There is a good chance the OP already knows this and is just looking to stir up controversy and resentment.

OP here. Actually I don't. My child isn't old enough for the CES. I was truly just curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.

There is a good chance the OP already knows this and is just looking to stir up controversy and resentment.

Why would this post stir up controversy and resentment? That makes no sense.

The process should be transparent and it should make sense. That is not controversial.

[Anonymous]

OP, there is no data posted on this. Parents just kind of find out how many kids because they have older siblings, or neighbors who know.

At my kids’ ES, there are 5 kids (out of 80?) who got into the Regional CES. Also, now there are some local CESs, so that would influence the data.

[Anonymous]

If something is published it might be in the Metis report (data would be old). Google MCPS metis report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.

There is a good chance the OP already knows this and is just looking to stir up controversy and resentment.

Why would this post stir up controversy and resentment? That makes no sense.

The process should be transparent and it should make sense. That is not controversial.

This is DCUM. Everything eventually devolves into controversy and resentment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering if there is data listed on how many students are selected from each Elementary School for the regional CES programs. Anyone know if that exists and where to find it?

I don’t think MCPS will provide this data if it is at a level of granularity.

The process has also changed since COVID, so not sure how useful the data is. 2018-19 will look a lot different than 2020-21.

What you would expect from the old cohort model is that schools that were more heterogenous would send more kids. That’s different now with the lottery model. The lottery model is based on local norming, so that would mean that the outcome is likely to be more balanced by sending school but it’s not clear because MCPS has not said how they ensure parity with gender. It’s doubtful to me that they would leave that up to chance.

[Anonymous]

You could ask the school administration for your specific school. Ours had a testing person who was open about how many admits and we had very few kids offered spots but many on the wait list. This was pre-lottery so like other PPs said it's anybody's guess. According to chance it should be relatively evenly distributed on average but could be very skewed in any particular year and who knows how they messed with gender norming and SES, FARMS, ESOL and all those other criteria to get their desired results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering if there is data listed on how many students are selected from each Elementary School for the regional CES programs. Anyone know if that exists and where to find it?

I don’t think MCPS will provide this data if it is at a level of granularity.

The process has also changed since COVID, so not sure how useful the data is. 2018-19 will look a lot different than 2020-21.

What you would expect from the old cohort model is that schools that were more heterogenous would send more kids. That’s different now with the lottery model. The lottery model is based on local norming, so that would mean that the outcome is likely to be more balanced by sending school but it’s not clear because MCPS has not said how they ensure parity with gender. It’s doubtful to me that they would leave that up to chance.

I just looked in the Metis Report which if you are interested in the history of the GT education in MoCo, you should read. The section on ES programs begins on page 60. The report said they published sending numbers by ES, but I couldn't find any such table in the index. Here is the summary:

"The operation of elementary centers [then HGCs, now CESs] has limited effect on other elementary schools across MCPS, with the exception of possible staffing implications. In 2013–14, elementary students from 124 of the 133 elementary schools across MCPS were enrolled in an elementary center rather than in their home school.

Twenty-five elementary schools had 10 or more home school students (in Grades 4 and 5) who were enrolled in an elementary center at another school, including Piney Branch and Little Bennett ES, each of which had 21 students leave to attend an elementary center, and Spark M. Matsunaga ES with 19 students and Beall ES with 18 students.

Elementary schools that did not have any students enrolled in an elementary center included Brown Station, Burnt Mills, Damascus, Darnestown, Jackson Road, Monocacy, William Tyler Page, Rock Creek Valley, Watkins Mill, and Wilson Wims ES. Complete data on the number of students in elementary centers by sending school is presented in the Appendix."

It would be interesting to see how numbers have changed as they've implemented new admissions processes.

The link to the whole Metis report/choice study is https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/info/choice/ChoiceStudyReport-Version2-20160307.pdf

[Anonymous]

Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.

There is a good chance the OP already knows this and is just looking to stir up controversy and resentment.

Why would this post stir up controversy and resentment? That makes no sense.

The process should be transparent and it should make sense. That is not controversial.

So they can complain about how the system's unfair to them in some way just like the other 15 threads on the subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?

Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't it's just a freaking lottery everyone knows exactly how those work there's no mystery