ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL allow SY teams to show up at showcases but not league play? Sending kids to invade someone else’s team during tournaments and showcases is ridiculous. ECNL should go all in for 25 or wait for 26, but not a combination of both

I agree all or nothing. Having players move around for events seems like not much thought went into to it at all. Go to a showcase and get scouted on a team you don’t play with

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That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

ECNL isn't going to birth year as a strategic move. It because it what has been requested from their customer (college coaches). That is what is driving the change. the ones who actually do the recruiting disagree that there is no problem recruiting by BY. They want to go go to a showcase and see players all in the same recruiting class, and not have to watch a game and determine who is what grad year.

Stop making stuff up! This absolutely is not true. You clearly have no clue what happens on top teams and in college recruitment. College coaches never show up to watch any team - they follow and watch specific players. Try to stay informed.

I know two D1 college soccer coaches. They most definitely show up to watch TEAMS at showcases. They do not have the resources to only scout specific players. Once they’ve identified players they want (usually after seeing them play in tournaments or showcases), they reach out to those players. They do not have the budgets to travel around the country to follow specific players and just watch their games - especially since there’s no guaranty those players will commit to their school.

This is completely false. You really have no idea how the college recruitment process works!

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That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

ECNL isn't going to birth year as a strategic move. It because it what has been requested from their customer (college coaches). That is what is driving the change. the ones who actually do the recruiting disagree that there is no problem recruiting by BY. They want to go go to a showcase and see players all in the same recruiting class, and not have to watch a game and determine who is what grad year.

Stop making stuff up! This absolutely is not true. You clearly have no clue what happens on top teams and in college recruitment. College coaches never show up to watch any team - they follow and watch specific players. Try to stay informed.

I know two D1 college soccer coaches. They most definitely show up to watch TEAMS at showcases. They do not have the resources to only scout specific players. Once they’ve identified players they want (usually after seeing them play in tournaments or showcases), they reach out to those players. They do not have the budgets to travel around the country to follow specific players and just watch their games - especially since there’s no guaranty those players will commit to their school.

This is completely false. You really have no idea how the college recruitment process works!

Is it possible that there are multiple ways college recruitment works? Like I'm sure Power whatever schools work differently then bottom of the division D1 schools which I assume works differently than D3 schools. Surely Stanford and Houston Christian have different budgets, different approaches, and different constraints. I feel like we don't always need to scream at each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL allow SY teams to show up at showcases but not league play? Sending kids to invade someone else’s team during tournaments and showcases is ridiculous. ECNL should go all in for 25 or wait for 26, but not a combination of both

Becuase it soothes their customers, the college coaches, and allows teams to try out new configurations with guest players for the following year. My kiddo is quite young still, but late Q4, and I'd hope we could see him a little bit with both groups next year.

The parents are the customer genius. The coaches AND the players are the commodity.

You’ve got no clue. I’d bet a cheeseburger you don’t have an ECNL kid.

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That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

ECNL isn't going to birth year as a strategic move. It because it what has been requested from their customer (college coaches). That is what is driving the change. the ones who actually do the recruiting disagree that there is no problem recruiting by BY. They want to go go to a showcase and see players all in the same recruiting class, and not have to watch a game and determine who is what grad year.

Stop making stuff up! This absolutely is not true. You clearly have no clue what happens on top teams and in college recruitment. College coaches never show up to watch any team - they follow and watch specific players. Try to stay informed.

I know two D1 college soccer coaches. They most definitely show up to watch TEAMS at showcases. They do not have the resources to only scout specific players. Once they’ve identified players they want (usually after seeing them play in tournaments or showcases), they reach out to those players. They do not have the budgets to travel around the country to follow specific players and just watch their games - especially since there’s no guaranty those players will commit to their school.

You heard what you wanted to hear from your college coach friends. That is absolutely not what they do.

Do you think they fill a roster every year? If you need a CM and a CB for next year…do you watch a “TEAMs”? Do you have time to watch a full match to see if any other players stand out? Nope…coaches go to these evens on a mission, it’s not some romanticized discovery process.

They get tape sent from 100s of players. They send that to their assistants, who help zero in on a few names. Then those coaches go to watch those names in person for each position. When they go to watch Suzy Striker play, they are not looking at your Betty Leftback. Betty doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell with that coach if she wasn’t already on the radar.

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That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

ECNL isn't going to birth year as a strategic move. It because it what has been requested from their customer (college coaches). That is what is driving the change. the ones who actually do the recruiting disagree that there is no problem recruiting by BY. They want to go go to a showcase and see players all in the same recruiting class, and not have to watch a game and determine who is what grad year.

Stop making stuff up! This absolutely is not true. You clearly have no clue what happens on top teams and in college recruitment. College coaches never show up to watch any team - they follow and watch specific players. Try to stay informed.

I know two D1 college soccer coaches. They most definitely show up to watch TEAMS at showcases. They do not have the resources to only scout specific players. Once they’ve identified players they want (usually after seeing them play in tournaments or showcases), they reach out to those players. They do not have the budgets to travel around the country to follow specific players and just watch their games - especially since there’s no guaranty those players will commit to their school.

This is completely false. You really have no idea how the college recruitment process works!

Is it possible that there are multiple ways college recruitment works? Like I'm sure Power whatever schools work differently then bottom of the division D1 schools which I assume works differently than D3 schools. Surely Stanford and Houston Christian have different budgets, different approaches, and different constraints. I feel like we don't always need to scream at each other.

No! There aren’t resources are thin for recruiting at all division levels. The recruiting process, except for YNT kids, is ~70% the work of the player, 5-19% the club and club coach, the rest is the college coach.

Boys recruiting IS different from girls, but on the time / exposure aspect it’s fairly similar.

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That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

ECNL isn't going to birth year as a strategic move. It because it what has been requested from their customer (college coaches). That is what is driving the change. the ones who actually do the recruiting disagree that there is no problem recruiting by BY. They want to go go to a showcase and see players all in the same recruiting class, and not have to watch a game and determine who is what grad year.

Stop making stuff up! This absolutely is not true. You clearly have no clue what happens on top teams and in college recruitment. College coaches never show up to watch any team - they follow and watch specific players. Try to stay informed.

I know two D1 college soccer coaches. They most definitely show up to watch TEAMS at showcases. They do not have the resources to only scout specific players. Once they’ve identified players they want (usually after seeing them play in tournaments or showcases), they reach out to those players. They do not have the budgets to travel around the country to follow specific players and just watch their games - especially since there’s no guaranty those players will commit to their school.

This is completely false. You really have no idea how the college recruitment process works!

Is it possible that there are multiple ways college recruitment works? Like I'm sure Power whatever schools work differently then bottom of the division D1 schools which I assume works differently than D3 schools. Surely Stanford and Houston Christian have different budgets, different approaches, and different constraints. I feel like we don't always need to scream at each other.

There is your problem. Just because it came from your brain doesn’t make it right.

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Anonymous wrote:Clubs don’t want to lose money or players. Be ready for the “we are going to keep rosters together” will just have huge rosters of 10s with 11s. After about 6 months families will start leaving for GA/ECNL/MLSN/ECRL whatever league favors their kids ability with realistic playing time.

But clubs won’t tell you that you will have to figure it out.

I think most clubs will do it. Minimal cut, but let all capable Q3/Q4 join. The roster will be 25 or more. Bench BY parents need to be realistic.

The truth if you're being honest ... Bench parents need to be realistic

Right? The whole “Bench BY parents” is so stupid and petty. It’s based from jealousy and ignorance mixed with a toxic hope that an age cutoff will make their own child’s outcome better.

👏 the only thing that makes a kid’s outcome better is for that kid to want and work for a better outcome 👏

No, the reality is as soon as SY starts, the team will be 70% Q3/Q4, just like the current 70% Q1/Q2. On the top team, everybody works hard, so your reasoning is pure stupid. So statistically speaking, if ECNL team does not increase their roster from 18 to 25, those 7 bench Q1/Q2 will be cut.

I think the point being made isn't about lack of hard work by anyone. It'll be more about who wants it more and plays better, continues to develop, not what birth month they are, especially now they've been playing for years at a high level.

I don’t think you have any idea what separates the very best, from the next tier. The vast vast vast majority of ECNL players are nowhere near the top. The vast vast vast majority are not in fact working hard. They may think they are. Their parents might think they are too. But they aren’t.

If that’s true, maybe GA is the better league

That’s a pretty large logical leap from what I said.

All I know is ECNL touts itself as the very best in youth soccer. If they aren't working hard, then perhaps they are not.

ECNL is hands down the best platform for girls that want to play college soccer.

That is not the same thing as saying that ECNL is a breeding ground of the best female soccer players. It’s not.

90%+ of what separates the best from the rest is the work done outside of the 3-4 team practices + games / tournies / showcases.

So yes, ECNL and college soccer are FILLED with the rest. And yes GA is too, but GA’s platform does not get nearly the same attention from college coaches.

That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

The real reason, I imagine, has a lot more to do with ECNL not being as strong on the boys side, and the share of wallet on the boys side is the only place ECNL, as a business, has room for expansion.

Saw this today:
https://x.com/imcollegesoccer/status/1891908029970260146?s=46&t=dzLak1CgllWXAb6te6CpCQ

Made me remember this post. You’re right!

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If ECNL allows trap player to play down in showcase, they should allow them to join the younger team and play the league game. It is very awkward to guest in a younger team for important showcase and everyone in that team will hate you. Since ECNL already allows 2 trapped 8th grader to play half the season, it should be not an issue for them to allow 2/3 trapped players play the next season for all age groups. Potential 2/3 players change is a good transition before we go full SY next year.

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1000% this!

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL allow SY teams to show up at showcases but not league play? Sending kids to invade someone else’s team during tournaments and showcases is ridiculous. ECNL should go all in for 25 or wait for 26, but not a combination of both

That’s just what he was told as a possibility. As well larger rosters for showcases.

My DOC said the younger players would all just shift down for showcases and if the numbers are not equal across age groups they would bring a bigger roster.

Sounds like parents and kids will just have to deal with it .

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Anonymous wrote:Clubs don’t want to lose money or players. Be ready for the “we are going to keep rosters together” will just have huge rosters of 10s with 11s. After about 6 months families will start leaving for GA/ECNL/MLSN/ECRL whatever league favors their kids ability with realistic playing time.

But clubs won’t tell you that you will have to figure it out.

I think most clubs will do it. Minimal cut, but let all capable Q3/Q4 join. The roster will be 25 or more. Bench BY parents need to be realistic.

The truth if you're being honest ... Bench parents need to be realistic

Right? The whole “Bench BY parents” is so stupid and petty. It’s based from jealousy and ignorance mixed with a toxic hope that an age cutoff will make their own child’s outcome better.

👏 the only thing that makes a kid’s outcome better is for that kid to want and work for a better outcome 👏

No, the reality is as soon as SY starts, the team will be 70% Q3/Q4, just like the current 70% Q1/Q2. On the top team, everybody works hard, so your reasoning is pure stupid. So statistically speaking, if ECNL team does not increase their roster from 18 to 25, those 7 bench Q1/Q2 will be cut.

I think the point being made isn't about lack of hard work by anyone. It'll be more about who wants it more and plays better, continues to develop, not what birth month they are, especially now they've been playing for years at a high level.

I don’t think you have any idea what separates the very best, from the next tier. The vast vast vast majority of ECNL players are nowhere near the top. The vast vast vast majority are not in fact working hard. They may think they are. Their parents might think they are too. But they aren’t.

If that’s true, maybe GA is the better league

That’s a pretty large logical leap from what I said.

All I know is ECNL touts itself as the very best in youth soccer. If they aren't working hard, then perhaps they are not.

ECNL is hands down the best platform for girls that want to play college soccer.

That is not the same thing as saying that ECNL is a breeding ground of the best female soccer players. It’s not.

90%+ of what separates the best from the rest is the work done outside of the 3-4 team practices + games / tournies / showcases.

So yes, ECNL and college soccer are FILLED with the rest. And yes GA is too, but GA’s platform does not get nearly the same attention from college coaches.

That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

The real reason, I imagine, has a lot more to do with ECNL not being as strong on the boys side, and the share of wallet on the boys side is the only place ECNL, as a business, has room for expansion.

Saw this today:
https://x.com/imcollegesoccer/status/1891908029970260146?s=46&t=dzLak1CgllWXAb6te6CpCQ

Made me remember this post. You’re right!

Club matters more. There are some absolutley terrible ECNL clubs. Lots of them. CST is an ECNL snob. Never posts anything that highlights GA.

Even IMYouthSoccer gives GA props from time to time

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I know two D1 college soccer coaches. They most definitely show up to watch TEAMS at showcases. They do not have the resources to only scout specific players. Once they’ve identified players they want (usually after seeing them play in tournaments or showcases), they reach out to those players. They do not have the budgets to travel around the country to follow specific players and just watch their games - especially since there’s no guaranty those players will commit to their school.

The only colleges who could maybe watch teams are the tippy top 10 colleges where they don't need to worry about players not being interested in them. If Stanford or FSU is interested the player will be too.

That is absolutely not the case with most all colleges. Most colleges scout specific players not teams because it takes LESS resources. They don't follow them around the country, they go to a handful of national events where all the players are all in one place. They only scout players who have expressed interest before the events. That's the reason these events exist and it's important to be in a league that attends them.

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Anonymous wrote:If ECNL allows trap player to play down in showcase, they should allow them to join the younger team and play the league game. It is very awkward to guest in a younger team for important showcase and everyone in that team will hate you. Since ECNL already allows 2 trapped 8th grader to play half the season, it should be not an issue for them to allow 2/3 trapped players play the next season for all age groups. Potential 2/3 players change is a good transition before we go full SY next year.

If they are going to do this then just go all the way and do it! How many more than 3 would there be anyway 5 or 6. Just move to SY and be done with it.