Soooo, how is high-density looking to everyone now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should get rid of bike lanes. Hardly anyone uses them, and riding a bike in the city is really dangerous.

That's silly. Bikes aren't dangerous. Cars are dangerous - and not just to people riding bikes.

Bicyclists are 100 percent delusional about the risks they are taking. If you ride a bicycle in DC that is the most likely way you will die.

Could you show us the stats you're relying on for that claim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember how controversial it was when Safeway came to Petworth.

At the time, liberals were beating their breasts about how terrible it was. They said Safeway was too expensive for the neighborhood, which was then overwhelmingly black. They said it was the vanguard of gentrification, and that it would push out black people and all the whites would come in.

Fast forward to today, and gentrification is far worse today than it was then. But the difference this time, is that no one cares. Liberals not only don't talk about gentrification, they are forceful advocates FOR gentrification. They don't call it that. Now they call it "increasing density" but it's the same thing (back when they still called it gentrification, developers knew they could make a lot more money if only they could build condos everywhere but the city wouldn't let them).

Now the liberals sound like the developers and no one cares about all the black and brown people being pushed out. This story says it's a bigger problem here than anywhere else.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-distri...bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

Calling for more density in rich neighborhoods in Ward 3 has nothing to do with gentrification. You can't "gentrify" AU Park.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there many poor black people living in the single-family houses in Spring Valley?

Nice red herring.

Read the story:

"In the District, low-income residents are being pushed out of neighborhoods at some of the highest rates in the country, according to the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity, which sought to track demographic and economic changes in neighborhoods in the 50 largest U.S. cities from 2000 to 2016....

In portions of the Kingman Park and Capitol Hill neighborhoods, nearly 75 percent of the low-income populations have vanished, census information shows. In the Navy Yard neighborhood, about 77 percent of residents were identified as low income in 2000. Sixteen years later, that population dropped to 21 percent.

Most of the people pushed out of these economic hot spots are black and low income, according to the data."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

It's not a red herring. One way to ease pressure on low-income neighborhoods would be to build housing in other neighborhoods (like, say, Spring Valley) that might attract some of the people who are buying in places like Kingman Park. Building new housing in upper NW will definitely not cause poor people to be pushed out of Ward 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there many poor black people living in the single-family houses in Spring Valley?

Nice red herring.

Read the story:

"In the District, low-income residents are being pushed out of neighborhoods at some of the highest rates in the country, according to the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity, which sought to track demographic and economic changes in neighborhoods in the 50 largest U.S. cities from 2000 to 2016....

In portions of the Kingman Park and Capitol Hill neighborhoods, nearly 75 percent of the low-income populations have vanished, census information shows. In the Navy Yard neighborhood, about 77 percent of residents were identified as low income in 2000. Sixteen years later, that population dropped to 21 percent.

Most of the people pushed out of these economic hot spots are black and low income, according to the data."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

It's not a red herring. One way to ease pressure on low-income neighborhoods would be to build housing in other neighborhoods (like, say, Spring Valley) that might attract some of the people who are buying in places like Kingman Park. Building new housing in upper NW will definitely not cause poor people to be pushed out of Ward 8.

It’s a base, some might say segregationist-affirming, political move by the mayor. Support her plan upzone and density west of the Park and then “outsiders” won’t seek to rent or purchase in NE or SE and thus mitigate gentrification.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there many poor black people living in the single-family houses in Spring Valley?

Nice red herring.

Read the story:

"In the District, low-income residents are being pushed out of neighborhoods at some of the highest rates in the country, according to the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity, which sought to track demographic and economic changes in neighborhoods in the 50 largest U.S. cities from 2000 to 2016....

In portions of the Kingman Park and Capitol Hill neighborhoods, nearly 75 percent of the low-income populations have vanished, census information shows. In the Navy Yard neighborhood, about 77 percent of residents were identified as low income in 2000. Sixteen years later, that population dropped to 21 percent.

Most of the people pushed out of these economic hot spots are black and low income, according to the data."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

It's not a red herring. One way to ease pressure on low-income neighborhoods would be to build housing in other neighborhoods (like, say, Spring Valley) that might attract some of the people who are buying in places like Kingman Park. Building new housing in upper NW will definitely not cause poor people to be pushed out of Ward 8.

It’s a base, some might say segregationist-affirming, political move by the mayor. Support her plan upzone and density west of the Park and then “outsiders” won’t seek to rent or purchase in NE or SE and thus mitigate gentrification.

I would not say that easing housing pressure on mostly black neighborhoods is "segregationist-affirming."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there many poor black people living in the single-family houses in Spring Valley?

Nice red herring.

Read the story:

"In the District, low-income residents are being pushed out of neighborhoods at some of the highest rates in the country, according to the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity, which sought to track demographic and economic changes in neighborhoods in the 50 largest U.S. cities from 2000 to 2016....

In portions of the Kingman Park and Capitol Hill neighborhoods, nearly 75 percent of the low-income populations have vanished, census information shows. In the Navy Yard neighborhood, about 77 percent of residents were identified as low income in 2000. Sixteen years later, that population dropped to 21 percent.

Most of the people pushed out of these economic hot spots are black and low income, according to the data."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

It's not a red herring. One way to ease pressure on low-income neighborhoods would be to build housing in other neighborhoods (like, say, Spring Valley) that might attract some of the people who are buying in places like Kingman Park. Building new housing in upper NW will definitely not cause poor people to be pushed out of Ward 8.

It’s a base, some might say segregationist-affirming, political move by the mayor. Support her plan upzone and density west of the Park and then “outsiders” won’t seek to rent or purchase in NE or SE and thus mitigate gentrification.

Uh, last I checked, NE and SE were certainly holding up their end of the bargain of providing more housing in places like NoMA, Navy Yard, St. Elizabeth's, etc. In most of these places, they're butting up against the Height Act. So where exactly do you propose that people live?

[Anonymous]

But it wouldn't change the character of neighborhoods particularly fast or dramatically, unless you think lots of homeowners are going to just suddenly sell their houses to developers to build eight-unit buildings on them. You'd have one or two eight-unit buildings every few blocks. That wouldn't change a thing in most of the neighborhoods you're talking about, including mine (Tenleytown).

I live in this area as well. My question would be this. When this scheme gets approved where I could literally knock my single family house down and build a multi family house in its stead, why would I not immediately sell to a developer? I would turn my modest investment into a windfall overnight. I could then re enter the market in the same area at a higher price point and still have made serious wealth. How would this not drive values up on Single Family Homes. And Why would I not sell my SFH to a developer instead of a private family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there many poor black people living in the single-family houses in Spring Valley?

Nice red herring.

Read the story:

"In the District, low-income residents are being pushed out of neighborhoods at some of the highest rates in the country, according to the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity, which sought to track demographic and economic changes in neighborhoods in the 50 largest U.S. cities from 2000 to 2016....

In portions of the Kingman Park and Capitol Hill neighborhoods, nearly 75 percent of the low-income populations have vanished, census information shows. In the Navy Yard neighborhood, about 77 percent of residents were identified as low income in 2000. Sixteen years later, that population dropped to 21 percent.

Most of the people pushed out of these economic hot spots are black and low income, according to the data."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

It's not a red herring. One way to ease pressure on low-income neighborhoods would be to build housing in other neighborhoods (like, say, Spring Valley) that might attract some of the people who are buying in places like Kingman Park. Building new housing in upper NW will definitely not cause poor people to be pushed out of Ward 8.

It’s a base, some might say segregationist-affirming, political move by the mayor. Support her plan upzone and density west of the Park and then “outsiders” won’t seek to rent or purchase in NE or SE and thus mitigate gentrification.

I would not say that easing housing pressure on mostly black neighborhoods is "segregationist-affirming."

It’s basically saying Let’s build the heck out of places like Ward 3 so that newcomers/gentrifyers (code for new white residents) don’t move to traditional black neighborhoods and gentrify them any further.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Uh, last I checked, NE and SE were certainly holding up their end of the bargain of providing more housing in places like NoMA, Navy Yard, St. Elizabeth's, etc. In most of these places, they're butting up against the Height Act. So where exactly do you propose that people live?

Not in my backyard, obviously!

(I am not the PP you're responding to.)

[Anonymous]

Turns out Democrats are huge fans of gentrification. SORRY POOR PEOPLE! No one is going to defend you from scumbag developers. Not in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Turns out Democrats are huge fans of gentrification. SORRY POOR PEOPLE! No one is going to defend you from scumbag developers. Not in DC.

Are you referring to the defenseless poor people who live near Guapo's?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out Democrats are huge fans of gentrification. SORRY POOR PEOPLE! No one is going to defend you from scumbag developers. Not in DC.

Are you referring to the defenseless poor people who live near Guapo's?

This is one of the more cynical and frankly disgraceful arguments the Density Bros. make.

They make a big to-do about wanting to build more in some rich white neighborhood like Spring Valley. Not because they think it will make a difference, or because they think it will even happen (it won't, on either count). But because it distracts from how their policies are forcing low-income minorities en masse to leave the city in order to make way for luxury condos for white people.

DC has the worst gentrification problem in the country, and more poor people here get pushed out than anywhere else.

And no one cares.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out Democrats are huge fans of gentrification. SORRY POOR PEOPLE! No one is going to defend you from scumbag developers. Not in DC.

Are you referring to the defenseless poor people who live near Guapo's?

This is one of the more cynical and frankly disgraceful arguments the Density Bros. make.

They make a big to-do about wanting to build more in some rich white neighborhood like Spring Valley. Not because they think it will make a difference, or because they think it will even happen (it won't, on either count). But because it distracts from how their policies are forcing low-income minorities en masse to leave the city in order to make way for luxury condos for white people.

DC has the worst gentrification problem in the country, and more poor people here get pushed out than anywhere else.

And no one cares.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

Eh. Talk to the people who live in Spring Valley. They're the ones who are objecting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out Democrats are huge fans of gentrification. SORRY POOR PEOPLE! No one is going to defend you from scumbag developers. Not in DC.

Are you referring to the defenseless poor people who live near Guapo's?

This is one of the more cynical and frankly disgraceful arguments the Density Bros. make.

They make a big to-do about wanting to build more in some rich white neighborhood like Spring Valley. Not because they think it will make a difference, or because they think it will even happen (it won't, on either count). But because it distracts from how their policies are forcing low-income minorities en masse to leave the city in order to make way for luxury condos for white people.

DC has the worst gentrification problem in the country, and more poor people here get pushed out than anywhere else.

And no one cares.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

And so they move to close-by PG County where housing is cheaper. What’s so sacrosanct about staying in the city of Washington?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out Democrats are huge fans of gentrification. SORRY POOR PEOPLE! No one is going to defend you from scumbag developers. Not in DC.

Are you referring to the defenseless poor people who live near Guapo's?

This is one of the more cynical and frankly disgraceful arguments the Density Bros. make.

They make a big to-do about wanting to build more in some rich white neighborhood like Spring Valley. Not because they think it will make a difference, or because they think it will even happen (it won't, on either count). But because it distracts from how their policies are forcing low-income minorities en masse to leave the city in order to make way for luxury condos for white people.

DC has the worst gentrification problem in the country, and more poor people here get pushed out than anywhere else.

And no one cares.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?outputType=amp

Eh. Talk to the people who live in Spring Valley. They're the ones who are objecting.

The Density Bros likely don’t care much about Spring Valley. But they have a raging hard-on for Cleveland Park.