Field hockey clubs feedback

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Winter Escape happened. Warhawks did well. Wolves and Alpha did not. Alpha did better than Wolves.

This is why this thread is useless. Too many people commenting on things they don’t understand.

Winter Escape is not a tournament you win or lose. It’s is a recruiting showcase and there is one age group. There are too many unknowns to say one team did well and another did not. You simply can’t compare teams at a showcase like Winter Escape.

I’m sorry when a team only wins 1 of the 4 games it doesn’t matter that there a mix of players age group or can’t score in 2 of the 4 games. If they want to play in college they need to be good since it is a showcase. The reality is the players this go around at some of these clubs are not strong. They may think they are but showcases like this prove it.

If you don’t want to look at WES, look at NITQ and the number of teams that didn’t qualify etc. When you have u16 teams qualifying in u19 over existing u19 players for certain clubs (NL), it tells you which clubs are strong in which years. Also, the teams that qualify at Meadowbrook and KY most likely would not qualify if they competed in the PA area NITQs. Look at the local clubs that qualified in PA. Those are the strong clubs.

WES is not about winning. Just because a team doesn't win doesn't mean it doesn't have good players. The college coaches are looking at the individual player. An individual player may only have the ball a few minutes of each game. It's what they do in those few minutes that matter.

NL had teams at Meadowbrook and their two U19 teams that qualified were a mix of U16 and U19 players. I'm not saying their U16s are not good enough to qualify on their own, but your statement is false. I don't know of any local team that sent all their qualifying teams to PA - maybe a club that only had one team at qualifiers. At any give NITQ a great team can fail to qualify because they end up in a pool/location with other great teams.

I don't know why people are so bent on tearing down local players and clubs.

Have you been to WE? We have. It is about winning in the sense if your team wins, you’re probably playing better and showcasing yourself better, and getting more looks.

Winning is not that important at WE, it doesn’t matter in the club rankings, so who cares. Our club has been and there are a mix of clubs who bring their committed players (this becomes their Florida tournament opposed to the Disney Sunshine Showcase) & others just bring ONLY their non-committed players from all age groups & fill their rosters with guest players. The sidelines are full of coaches for every game, from top ten D1 to D3 programs, kids get a lot of looks. When you are showcasing for recruitment, the club is definitely not playing to win and hopefully the coach is trying to highlight the player’s strengths. Warhawks is a large team so they have a deep enough bench to still have a competitive team even if their committed players weren’t there. Take a look at the Disney tournament and where the clubs ranked, that may be a better assessment of how the clubs are this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

Disagree. Receiving favor is one thing. Currying the favor is a whole other thing. And again they are KIDS. Seeking acceptance and validity is part of their nature. If they receive the accolades, good for them. But calling out a playing and saying their recruiting is a bust is a whole separate thing.

Also if you think making mean comments about kids is fair game, what kind of message are you sending to your own kid? Can’t we just be supportive of kids playing a women’s sport???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

Disagree. Receiving favor is one thing. Currying the favor is a whole other thing. And again they are KIDS. Seeking acceptance and validity is part of their nature. If they receive the accolades, good for them. But calling out a playing and saying their recruiting is a bust is a whole separate thing.

Also if you think making mean comments about kids is fair game, what kind of message are you sending to your own kid? Can’t we just be supportive of kids playing a women’s sport???

They are TEENAGERS. And I've been around enough of them who received preference to know that they know exactly what they're doing. To be clear, I have not attacked anyone on here. I just don't fully think it's off limits in an atmosphere that is so political, full of nepotism and these kids absolutely know it, accept it, and then promote themselves as if they've done it on their own merit. I can name prob half a dozen off the top of my head.

And no, I can't "just be supportive" when other kids suffer as a result of the above. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

Many, I repeat many, of these “all state” and “all met” players will not play in college. Some instances, they are D1 or bust. Some instances, they believed their high school accolades should’ve gotten them noticed to be recruited. Mostly, though, they are just not good enough and not at collegiate-level ability because they received their accolades as their high school coaches’ favorite. These are facts not because I am writing this down but because historically this has happened time and time again and will continue as long as most accolades continue to be achieved not by ability. Of course, there are exceptions but not many!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

Disagree. Receiving favor is one thing. Currying the favor is a whole other thing. And again they are KIDS. Seeking acceptance and validity is part of their nature. If they receive the accolades, good for them. But calling out a playing and saying their recruiting is a bust is a whole separate thing.

Also if you think making mean comments about kids is fair game, what kind of message are you sending to your own kid? Can’t we just be supportive of kids playing a women’s sport???

They are TEENAGERS. And I've been around enough of them who received preference to know that they know exactly what they're doing. To be clear, I have not attacked anyone on here. I just don't fully think it's off limits in an atmosphere that is so political, full of nepotism and these kids absolutely know it, accept it, and then promote themselves[url] as if they've done it on their own merit. I can name prob half a dozen off the top of my head.

And no, I can't "just be supportive" when other kids suffer as a result of the above. Sorry.

So, humans without fully formed prefrontal cortexes are deserving of a grown adult’s derision because their player didn’t receive the same favor? Would you feel the same way if it was your child? No. But because it’s not your kid, it’s open season.

Again, the focus should be on the clubs not on who got what they didn’t deserve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

Disagree. Receiving favor is one thing. Currying the favor is a whole other thing. And again they are KIDS. Seeking acceptance and validity is part of their nature. If they receive the accolades, good for them. But calling out a playing and saying their recruiting is a bust is a whole separate thing.

Also if you think making mean comments about kids is fair game, what kind of message are you sending to your own kid? Can’t we just be supportive of kids playing a women’s sport???

They are TEENAGERS. And I've been around enough of them who received preference to know that they know exactly what they're doing. To be clear, I have not attacked anyone on here. I just don't fully think it's off limits in an atmosphere that is so political, full of nepotism and these kids absolutely know it, accept it, and then promote themselves[url] as if they've done it on their own merit. I can name prob half a dozen off the top of my head.

And no, I can't "just be supportive" when other kids suffer as a result of the above. Sorry.

So, humans without fully formed prefrontal cortexes are deserving of a grown adult’s derision because their player didn’t receive the same favor? Would you feel the same way if it was your child? No. But because it’s not your kid, it’s open season.

Again, the focus should be on the clubs not on who got what they didn’t deserve.

And yet . . . . it's not. (NP).

[Anonymous]

I don’t get why club coach preferential treatment of a certain player consequently leads to a D-1 scholarship at Northwestern or UNC. The college coaches must still evaluate and recruit the player. They’re not just going to take a random club coach’s word for it! The player will be watched multiple times by the college coaches at tournaments and showcases. The player will attend college ID camps and clinics. The player will go to Nexus, Lineup, etc. Some random DMV club coach telling a top D-1 coach that one of their players is a star doesn’t mean jack. The player still has to prove it!

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Anonymous wrote:What are the local clubs that are better for the advanced/elite players then?

Freedom and Warhawks

^^^ True but these clubs can be too far (distance, traffic) for the northern virginia crowd. Any suggestions for the fairfax county/loudoun county players?

NL has been good for us. I can’t speak for the much maligned u19 team on this thread but the u16 and younger teams have been good playing experiences that have challenged our DD.

It takes over an hour for us to get to Rockville, so unfortunately Next Level is not really an option. I think Freedom is in Bethesda and not sure where Warhawks are located. The southern Maryland teams seem to have stronger clubs than Virginia but it’s just too far away.

Wolves is at Stone Ridge School in Bethesda. NL is in Rockville or at National Cathedral School. Freedom is near Annapolis -Indian Creek School for some practices. Warhawks is at multiple locations, some as far as Garrison Forest.

Fairfax County - Husel, Mustangs, Xtreme, Jackals. Note on the Jackals - the St. James acquired them and I don't know if they are or will be competitive again. I think they have teams but may be more of a rec league. Same with AVA Magic in Alexandria. I think they want to be competitive but just hasn't happened yet for them and they don't play indoor.
Loudon County - Hammers, Metro
Typhoon and High Voltage are in Fredericksburg and probably too far but could be an option. Many Fredericksburg kids come play for the clubs in fairfax county over Typhoon/High Voltage.

AVA has an indoor team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why club coach preferential treatment of a certain player consequently leads to a D-1 scholarship at Northwestern or UNC. The college coaches must still evaluate and recruit the player. They’re not just going to take a random club coach’s word for it! The player will be watched multiple times by the college coaches at tournaments and showcases. The player will attend college ID camps and clinics. The player will go to Nexus, Lineup, etc. Some random DMV club coach telling a top D-1 coach that one of their players is a star doesn’t mean jack. The player still has to prove it!

Not 💯 accurate. As just one example, if 2 kids are being evaluated and one is from, say, Freedom and one from a lesser club or a club that doesn’t have direct coach involvement, the Freedom kid is going to get it. That doesn’t mean that kid isn’t talented. But it’s not purely merit.

Nexus? It’s well known that is HIGHLY political.

Lastly, the coaches who are coaching family members/friends will put those kids on the best teams, promote them, push them forward for accolades etc.

The players that benefit absolutely know this. So do the families. So do the talented, nonfavored kids. Where’s the concern for them?

This is my last post on this. You don’t have to believe me or like my opinion.

[Anonymous]

If you think it's okay to attack a teenage athletes deficiencies and accuse them of being on the receiving end of preferential treatment, man up and sign your name. A bunch of @$$hats in this forum that can bash kids while hiding behind their anonymous post. It's disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you think it's okay to attack a teenage athletes deficiencies and accuse them of being on the receiving end of preferential treatment, man up and sign your name. A bunch of @$$hats in this forum that can bash kids while hiding behind their anonymous post. It's disgusting.

You first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

Many, I repeat many, of these “all state” and “all met” players will not play in college. Some instances, they are D1 or bust. Some instances, they believed their high school accolades should’ve gotten them noticed to be recruited. Mostly, though, they are just not good enough and not at collegiate-level ability because they received their accolades as their high school coaches’ favorite. These are facts not because I am writing this down but because historically this has happened time and time again and will continue as long as most accolades continue to be achieved not by ability. Of course, there are exceptions but not many!

Or how about they prioritize academics over any old D1 or D3. Doesn’t mean they couldn’t play as you insinuate, they just choose to prioritize the academic environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet, many of these parents have no problem destroying coaches on this exact same forum. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Coaches are adults and an important factor to choosing a club, so hearing people’s experiences are valid and there are so many questionable coaches in kids sports. Criticizing children when you don’t understand or know anything about them is cruel. Their accolades may not always seem fair but it depends on their league and coach.
Stop attacking kids but the coaches are fair game. Just my opinion.

I kind of disagree, to a point. MANY of these kids know the preferences, the favoritism, etc. that they are receiving. I'm not pointing to anyone but this applies to several of the "all met" kids in the DMV. EVERY club has this. You know it. Coaches know it. The kids know it. The kids receiving the benefits know it. They share it on social, with the public, and use it to score the best opportunities. So give me a break, here.

While it's not cool to personally attack them, pointing out their preferential treatment relative to their skills is fair game.

Many, I repeat many, of these “all state” and “all met” players will not play in college. Some instances, they are D1 or bust. Some instances, they believed their high school accolades should’ve gotten them noticed to be recruited. Mostly, though, they are just not good enough and not at collegiate-level ability because they received their accolades as their high school coaches’ favorite. These are facts not because I am writing this down but because historically this has happened time and time again and will continue as long as most accolades continue to be achieved not by ability. Of course, there are exceptions but not many!

Or how about they prioritize academics over any old D1 or D3. Doesn’t mean they couldn’t play as you insinuate, they just choose to prioritize the academic environment.

THANK YOU. Seriously. These girls might play hockey for four more years but will have a career for the rest of their lives.