What will the School Board say when we have our own Columbine or Parkland?

[Anonymous]

APS security plan is currently a File Not Found

[url]https://www.apsva.us/emergency-management/comprehensive-safety-security-risk-and-emergency-management-plan/

Is anyone else concerned about our School Board members who voted 5-0 to remove SROs from county high schools and middle schools without a properly funded alternative? Security is not something we can wait on and deliberate about. This plan needed to be in place with funding before removing SROs.

Students don't even walk into a classroom without a substitute teacher if the teacher is absent.

I'd be interested in any ideas you may have. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Do you think the security plan should be public?

I have no idea whether they have one or if it's any good, but anti-shooter plans are not typically posted for all to view. In non-school situations with a govt-public element there is usually a working group that includes vetted community members.

[Anonymous]

Why do you think SROs would help in school shootings?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/02/16/research-finds-armed-officers-increases-mortality-at-school-shootings

"The research looked at 133 shootings where one or more people were intentionally shot in a school building or where someone came to school armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately. The study found that there were three times as many people killed when there was an officer on the scene who was armed"

I personally think the outrage from some about SROs being removed from schools is misguided. I am not anti police, but I think that police can respond quickly too a school when there is an incident and don't believe that a police office station at the school improves overall safety or security.

[Anonymous]

Columbine and Parkland both had SROs

[Anonymous]

Wasn’t there an issue with the Parkland SRO being nearby and choosing not to put himself in the line of fire?

[Anonymous]

OP here

You are absolutely correct. The SRO at Parkland ran right out of the school. I need to change my argument to general school safety such as student fights and student confrontations with staff that turn physical. That needs to be my concern.

I appreciate all who have educated me and I mean this sincerely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think SROs would help in school shootings?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/02/16/research-finds-armed-officers-increases-mortality-at-school-shootings

"The research looked at 133 shootings where one or more people were intentionally shot in a school building or where someone came to school armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately. The study found that there were three times as many people killed when there was an officer on the scene who was armed"

I personally think the outrage from some about SROs being removed from schools is misguided. I am not anti police, but I think that police can respond quickly too a school when there is an incident and don't believe that a police office station at the school improves overall safety or security.

I attended a school safety meeting in 2019 in FCPS and the sheriff attended. He said that SROs were the first line of defense in detecting students who needed help and may become violent. SROs help prevent suicides as well as school violence. The entire meeting was basically about how effective the SRO program is. I’m just stunned that school systems are giving in to political pressure and removing them.

[Anonymous]

Columbine and Parkland happened because the parents of those sub humans paid zero attention to their kids.

I have zero empathy for any of them.

Columbine one of the mothers wrong an artlcle whining it was not her fault It was.

I'm sorry your kid is building bombs in their room for months and you don't know and the garage? Guns? None of these families were hunters. Why did those kids need guns?

Sandy Hook as well That mother was horrific.

[Anonymous]

From OP

And also for the person posting about not putting security plans online. Absolutely correct- they shouldn't put complete plans that would be foolish. But there should not be a link and the link shows File Not Found.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think SROs would help in school shootings?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/02/16/research-finds-armed-officers-increases-mortality-at-school-shootings

"The research looked at 133 shootings where one or more people were intentionally shot in a school building or where someone came to school armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately. The study found that there were three times as many people killed when there was an officer on the scene who was armed"

I personally think the outrage from some about SROs being removed from schools is misguided. I am not anti police, but I think that police can respond quickly too a school when there is an incident and don't believe that a police office station at the school improves overall safety or security.

I attended a school safety meeting in 2019 in FCPS and the sheriff attended. He said that SROs were the first line of defense in detecting students who needed help and may become violent. SROs help prevent suicides as well as school violence. The entire meeting was basically about how effective the SRO program is. I’m just stunned that school systems are giving in to political pressure and removing them.

Did the sheriff have evidence to back that up? Or was he just stating his opinion. I am not attempting to claim it is all not political pressure, but again there are a lot of studies that show the opposite of this. The article I mentioned actually talked about suicide in regards to teen school shooters and how the SROs increase the rate of death not decrease. I would also think that fully trained and educated counselors or mental health specialists would also be able to identify students who need help and may become violent and would also prevent suicide and school violence (I realize we don't have enough mental health providers in schools either).

[Anonymous]

SRO's don't prevent suicide. Mental health professionals do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think SROs would help in school shootings?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/02/16/research-finds-armed-officers-increases-mortality-at-school-shootings

"The research looked at 133 shootings where one or more people were intentionally shot in a school building or where someone came to school armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately. The study found that there were three times as many people killed when there was an officer on the scene who was armed"

I personally think the outrage from some about SROs being removed from schools is misguided. I am not anti police, but I think that police can respond quickly too a school when there is an incident and don't believe that a police office station at the school improves overall safety or security.

I attended a school safety meeting in 2019 in FCPS and the sheriff attended. He said that SROs were the first line of defense in detecting students who needed help and may become violent. SROs help prevent suicides as well as school violence. The entire meeting was basically about how effective the SRO program is. I’m just stunned that school systems are giving in to political pressure and removing them.

Did the sheriff have evidence to back that up? Or was he just stating his opinion. I am not attempting to claim it is all not political pressure, but again there are a lot of studies that show the opposite of this. The article I mentioned actually talked about suicide in regards to teen school shooters and how the SROs increase the rate of death not decrease. I would also think that fully trained and educated counselors or mental health specialists would also be able to identify students who need help and may become violent and would also prevent suicide and school violence (I realize we don't have enough mental health providers in schools either).

Of course the sheriff says SROs are great. But there is plenty of evidence that they can also cause problems -- elevating normal student discipline issues into police matters, for example. We need better mental health services in schools to screen for students who are experiencing crises.

[Anonymous]

There are much better, more effective ways to prevent gun violence. SROs are not one of them.

[Anonymous]

Every time I think of SROs, I think of the parkland SRO cowering. That was the supposed reason to have them and it obviously didn't work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think SROs would help in school shootings?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/02/16/research-finds-armed-officers-increases-mortality-at-school-shootings

"The research looked at 133 shootings where one or more people were intentionally shot in a school building or where someone came to school armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately. The study found that there were three times as many people killed when there was an officer on the scene who was armed"

I personally think the outrage from some about SROs being removed from schools is misguided. I am not anti police, but I think that police can respond quickly too a school when there is an incident and don't believe that a police office station at the school improves overall safety or security.

I attended a school safety meeting in 2019 in FCPS and the sheriff attended. He said that SROs were the first line of defense in detecting students who needed help and may become violent. SROs help prevent suicides as well as school violence. The entire meeting was basically about how effective the SRO program is. I’m just stunned that school systems are giving in to political pressure and removing them.

Did the sheriff have evidence to back that up? Or was he just stating his opinion. I am not attempting to claim it is all not political pressure, but again there are a lot of studies that show the opposite of this. The article I mentioned actually talked about suicide in regards to teen school shooters and how the SROs increase the rate of death not decrease. I would also think that fully trained and educated counselors or mental health specialists would also be able to identify students who need help and may become violent and would also prevent suicide and school violence (I realize we don't have enough mental health providers in schools either).

Right. I don't see how throwing law enforcement at a mental health issue is going to help at all.