ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:GA making moves and ECNL waiting around. [/

The GA and DPL expanding and offering a second tier of teams so will be similar structure to the NL and RL.

The only difference is RL and GA are similar as far as quality of teams “overall” DPL is for low level comp players.

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Anonymous wrote:Clubs don’t want to lose money or players. Be ready for the “we are going to keep rosters together” will just have huge rosters of 10s with 11s. After about 6 months families will start leaving for GA/ECNL/MLSN/ECRL whatever league favors their kids ability with realistic playing time.

But clubs won’t tell you that you will have to figure it out.

I think most clubs will do it. Minimal cut, but let all capable Q3/Q4 join. The roster will be 25 or more. Bench BY parents need to be realistic.

The truth if you're being honest ... Bench parents need to be realistic

Right? The whole “Bench BY parents” is so stupid and petty. It’s based from jealousy and ignorance mixed with a toxic hope that an age cutoff will make their own child’s outcome better.

👏 the only thing that makes a kid’s outcome better is for that kid to want and work for a better outcome 👏

No, the reality is as soon as SY starts, the team will be 70% Q3/Q4, just like the current 70% Q1/Q2. On the top team, everybody works hard, so your reasoning is pure stupid. So statistically speaking, if ECNL team does not increase their roster from 18 to 25, those 7 bench Q1/Q2 will be cut.

I think the point being made isn't about lack of hard work by anyone. It'll be more about who wants it more and plays better, continues to develop, not what birth month they are, especially now they've been playing for years at a high level.

I don’t think you have any idea what separates the very best, from the next tier. The vast vast vast majority of ECNL players are nowhere near the top. The vast vast vast majority are not in fact working hard. They may think they are. Their parents might think they are too. But they aren’t.

If that’s true, maybe GA is the better league

That’s a pretty large logical leap from what I said.

All I know is ECNL touts itself as the very best in youth soccer. If they aren't working hard, then perhaps they are not.

ECNL is hands down the best platform for girls that want to play college soccer.

That is not the same thing as saying that ECNL is a breeding ground of the best female soccer players. It’s not.

90%+ of what separates the best from the rest is the work done outside of the 3-4 team practices + games / tournies / showcases.

So yes, ECNL and college soccer are FILLED with the rest. And yes GA is too, but GA’s platform does not get nearly the same attention from college coaches.

That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

The real reason, I imagine, has a lot more to do with ECNL not being as strong on the boys side, and the share of wallet on the boys side is the only place ECNL, as a business, has room for expansion.

I’m sure there are lots of factors at play on why ECNL would want to switch back to SY cut offs.

They see themselves as so far ahead of Ga they can do whatever they want and clubs can complain but will stay and just deal with it.

Would allow their boys teams to add some quality Q3/4 players.

Would streamline recruiting and keep teams together long term. No U19 issues. Which I would say is a bigger deal than the trapped 8th grader. Players are trying to get recruited U19 if they haven’t already and it just a mess because everyone wants to play ECNL especially in High school. Just huge rosters.

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Anonymous wrote:Clubs don’t want to lose money or players. Be ready for the “we are going to keep rosters together” will just have huge rosters of 10s with 11s. After about 6 months families will start leaving for GA/ECNL/MLSN/ECRL whatever league favors their kids ability with realistic playing time.

But clubs won’t tell you that you will have to figure it out.

I think most clubs will do it. Minimal cut, but let all capable Q3/Q4 join. The roster will be 25 or more. Bench BY parents need to be realistic.

The truth if you're being honest ... Bench parents need to be realistic

Right? The whole “Bench BY parents” is so stupid and petty. It’s based from jealousy and ignorance mixed with a toxic hope that an age cutoff will make their own child’s outcome better.

👏 the only thing that makes a kid’s outcome better is for that kid to want and work for a better outcome 👏

No, the reality is as soon as SY starts, the team will be 70% Q3/Q4, just like the current 70% Q1/Q2. On the top team, everybody works hard, so your reasoning is pure stupid. So statistically speaking, if ECNL team does not increase their roster from 18 to 25, those 7 bench Q1/Q2 will be cut.

I think the point being made isn't about lack of hard work by anyone. It'll be more about who wants it more and plays better, continues to develop, not what birth month they are, especially now they've been playing for years at a high level.

I don’t think you have any idea what separates the very best, from the next tier. The vast vast vast majority of ECNL players are nowhere near the top. The vast vast vast majority are not in fact working hard. They may think they are. Their parents might think they are too. But they aren’t.

If that’s true, maybe GA is the better league

That’s a pretty large logical leap from what I said.

All I know is ECNL touts itself as the very best in youth soccer. If they aren't working hard, then perhaps they are not.

ECNL is hands down the best platform for girls that want to play college soccer.

That is not the same thing as saying that ECNL is a breeding ground of the best female soccer players. It’s not.

90%+ of what separates the best from the rest is the work done outside of the 3-4 team practices + games / tournies / showcases.

So yes, ECNL and college soccer are FILLED with the rest. And yes GA is too, but GA’s platform does not get nearly the same attention from college coaches.

That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

The real reason, I imagine, has a lot more to do with ECNL not being as strong on the boys side, and the share of wallet on the boys side is the only place ECNL, as a business, has room for expansion.

I’m sure there are lots of factors at play on why ECNL would want to switch back to SY cut offs.

They see themselves as so far ahead of Ga they can do whatever they want and clubs can complain but will stay and just deal with it.

Would allow their boys teams to add some quality Q3/4 players.

Would streamline recruiting and keep teams together long term. No U19 issues. Which I would say is a bigger deal than the trapped 8th grader. Players are trying to get recruited U19 if they haven’t already and it just a mess because everyone wants to play ECNL especially in High school. Just huge rosters.

Yea, this seems right on the money re: the girls side. The “left overs” at the u19 get a bit more of a shot. ECNL is a college placement platform after all and it does that very very well. But I think the theory is better than the practice, as those trapped kids that complain the loudest actually did get an extra year of college exposure, the truth was they just weren’t good enough to go to the schools they wanted to go to. I would venture that nearly all ECNL players would make a college roster, just might not be D1 Power 4.

I think on the boys side, it’s really about making a change to be different. The old saying, “you don’t have to be better, just different.” I am convinced that this change for ECNL has little to do with “trapped” players or “recruiting alignment.” (They were already aligned, hence the reason GA is not nearly a competitive in the college placement game). The big problem is on the club soccer money side, MLSN is just a better platform and business. So ECNL is really good at this unsexy, “not real football,” part of soccer. And really just hasn’t found equal success on the boys, “reall football” side. So…make a change. Make it easier of parents of soccer players to understand their players’ “position” as they go from u-little to club. The dynamic has always been a balance between club/coach-payer-player. And any club or coach will tell you the most important person to keep happy is the payer. So ECNL is trying to be more attractive to the payer.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are this worried about an age change…I have lots to say, but I digress.

Says the guy commenting on a forum about the age change.

Loved this comment…all the BY parents aren’t worried but then have been performing mental gymnastics for weeks claiming no change or if there is a change the more elite leagues will stay BY because Jan - March produces the best athletes statistically lol

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Anonymous wrote:If you are this worried about an age change…I have lots to say, but I digress.

Says the guy commenting on a forum about the age change.

Loved this comment…all the BY parents aren’t worried but then have been performing mental gymnastics for weeks claiming no change or if there is a change the more elite leagues will stay BY because Jan - March produces the best athletes statistically lol

That’s an unfair restatement of this thread’s history.

Telling people to chill and wait for facts was not “BY boosterism.”

And as it turned out the weird “I know a guy” SY fanatics (most SY supporters aren’t the fanatics) were wrong on the fact, partially correct on the outcome.

There has been plenty of idiocy all around regarding RAE, much of it coming from our SY side with the “our Q4 kids on RL will displace all Q1 kids on NL teams as soon as his change is made.”

I love the pot stirring though! We can’t get to 1,000 without you! 💪

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RL Q4 aren’t replacing Q1 NL players, but NL Q4 from the age group above are replacing Q1 players down the bench.

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Anonymous wrote:RL Q4 aren’t replacing Q1 NL players, but NL Q4 from the age group above are replacing Q1 players down the bench.

And those Q1 players likely stay on the team because Q3/Q4 players move down to the younger team. BEST players who remain -- regardless of BM -- start.

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Just keep telling yourself that

[Anonymous]

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That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

ECNL isn't going to birth year as a strategic move. It because it what has been requested from their customer (college coaches). That is what is driving the change. the ones who actually do the recruiting disagree that there is no problem recruiting by BY. They want to go go to a showcase and see players all in the same recruiting class, and not have to watch a game and determine who is what grad year.

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ECNL is going to start school year transition this year (2025-2026) for their internal events as a bridge. League play will still be by BY, but we were already told the 08 RL trapped player goalie will be playing with our 09 RL team for showcases in the upcoming season.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are this worried about an age change…I have lots to say, but I digress.

Says the guy commenting on a forum about the age change.

Loved this comment…all the BY parents aren’t worried but then have been performing mental gymnastics for weeks claiming no change or if there is a change the more elite leagues will stay BY because Jan - March produces the best athletes statistically lol

That’s an unfair restatement of this thread’s history.

Telling people to chill and wait for facts was not “BY boosterism.”

And as it turned out the weird “I know a guy” SY fanatics (most SY supporters aren’t the fanatics) were wrong on the fact, partially correct on the outcome.

There has been plenty of idiocy all around regarding RAE, much of it coming from our SY side with the “our Q4 kids on RL will displace all Q1 kids on NL teams as soon as his change is made.”

I love the pot stirring though! We can’t get to 1,000 without you! 💪

We must all do our part

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL is going to start school year transition this year (2025-2026) for their internal events as a bridge. League play will still be by BY, but we were already told the 08 RL trapped player goalie will be playing with our 09 RL team for showcases in the upcoming season.

Interesting!

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That is also why the BY / SY b&m-ing from ECNL is such crocodile tears. There is ZERO problem recruiting in BY.

ECNL isn't going to birth year as a strategic move. It because it what has been requested from their customer (college coaches). That is what is driving the change. the ones who actually do the recruiting disagree that there is no problem recruiting by BY. They want to go go to a showcase and see players all in the same recruiting class, and not have to watch a game and determine who is what grad year.

That is “parent logic.”

College coaches have had zero issues recruiting as is. It wasn’t easier for them pre-2016 when it was SY, and it wasn’t harder post 2016 at BY. The college coaches have not been protesting BY age groups. And nobody in the decision making has claimed that. College doesn’t have age cutoffs, they have 5 year eligibility timelines. Believe it or not, contact / recruiting rules are not age or birth month specific…they are GRADE specific. And as many posters have posted ad base in (and given up at the point trying to educate on this) College coaches aren’t roaming fields trying to find hidden gems at showcases. The kids and families that are “waiting to get discovered” are going to be the same ones complaining senior year about foreign players taking their spot, and about how their team / club / etc did them dirty with playing time, bei my lazy because they already committed /
Etc.

I don’t care much about the age cutoff, and SY seems to help more kids, at the very least by removing the trap hurdle (mental or real). So SY seems fine to me. But let’s not make up reasons for the change.

[Anonymous]

That’s an even bigger mess than ripping the bandaid off. My kid doesn’t want to guest play for showcases on some random team she rarely plays/trains with…she wants to spend showcases with her current teammates and pals. All or nothing. That couldn’t be a worse decision…