Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

There are new reports of another massacre with dozens killed at a humanitarian delivery in Gaza City today.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice how the US dropped the Palestinian state issue after Netanyahu told Biden it was not happening?
I guess Biden can put all his efforts in to getting the Saudis to normalize relations with Israel. Bet that will cost a lot. No worrying Uncle Sucker will pick that bill up!

The easiest way to get rid of Hamas from within and delegitimize them without sacrificing Israeli troops wouldve been for Israel, US, and Arab partners to work with the weakened Palestinian Authority and give them official Palestinian statehood, remove all the settlements in the WB, remove the blockade on Gaza, remove all the thousands of Palestinian prisoners without charge back, then the PA can take over WB and Gaza .

This would destroy Hamas’ by default because it strengthens the Palestinian Authority if they achieve statehood and end the occupation and blockade

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Anonymous wrote:More children in Gaza have died from starvation, one of the cruelest deaths. This is gratuitous sadism. God, I hate Israel!

They wouldn't be starving right now if their Palestinian leadership hadn't decided to sadistically attack and massacre Israeli civilians.

Israelis wouldn’t have died or been kidnapped on 10/7 if they didn’t do the same thing for years to Palestinians.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander

[Anonymous]

This whole notion of Israel forcing other countries to air drop food to starving Palestinians makes me want to vomit. I don’t ever want to hear a Jew talk about their moral values again.

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Anonymous wrote:There are new reports of another massacre with dozens killed at a humanitarian delivery in Gaza City today.

How predictable . How many tunnels have the IDF destroyed in five months? Their bombs don’t even penetrate the tunnels so really they’ve done nothing to hurt Hamas infrastructure .

They should pick on someone their own size. They are hurting vulnerable civilians instead of the actual enemy they claim to be after

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Top Trump advisor Amb. David Friedman suggests a ‘one-state solution’ to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…

…Friedman is convinced that Israel must have sovereignty over its God-given land and he is advocating for a one-state solution: The State of Israel.

The reason, he explained, is because “Israel is the only country that can provide for security and prosperity of all those who inhabit it.”

Notwithstanding, Friedman's peace plan does not include the idea of Israel granting citizenship to 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. He stressed that such a step would existentially give Palestinians the opportunity to do demographically what they couldn't do militarily against Israel, i.e. to finish off the Jewish state.

He suggests that Palestinians living in the area would retain a permanent residency. This status will give them self-governance on civil matters, but not voting rights in national elections, only local ones.

“What does that mean? It means they can't be kicked out of their homes because they have the right to live there, which means they can get travel documents that enable them to leave the country… and a large infusion of capital, you know, from our new friends in the region to help make this area an area that's worth living in for Jews and Arabs,” the former ambassador explained.

https://allisrael.com/top-trump-advisor-amb-david-friedman-suggests-a-one-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Trump will impose a one state solution.

And what is wrong with that? What Friedman is saying sounds like the best possible outcome for Palestinians in the near future. I mean, it is clear that a two state solutions is completely off the table at this point - 10/7 showed that Palestinians have zero interest in cooperation with their neighbors and pose a national security threat to any Jewish state - and removal of Palestinians does not appear to be feasible at this time.

Friedman’s plan appears to allow some limited self governance while allowing Israel to provide strong security and intelligence measures over the long term, and treat the Palestinian people well. If Biden cared about this conflict, this would be what he would be suggesting, not trying to push some dead on arrival two-state solution neither side wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole notion of Israel forcing other countries to air drop food to starving Palestinians makes me want to vomit. I don’t ever want to hear a Jew talk about their moral values again.

+1000. That and the phrase "never again."

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Anonymous wrote:

Top Trump advisor Amb. David Friedman suggests a ‘one-state solution’ to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…

…Friedman is convinced that Israel must have sovereignty over its God-given land and he is advocating for a one-state solution: The State of Israel.

The reason, he explained, is because “Israel is the only country that can provide for security and prosperity of all those who inhabit it.”

Notwithstanding, Friedman's peace plan does not include the idea of Israel granting citizenship to 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. He stressed that such a step would existentially give Palestinians the opportunity to do demographically what they couldn't do militarily against Israel, i.e. to finish off the Jewish state.

He suggests that Palestinians living in the area would retain a permanent residency. This status will give them self-governance on civil matters, but not voting rights in national elections, only local ones.

“What does that mean? It means they can't be kicked out of their homes because they have the right to live there, which means they can get travel documents that enable them to leave the country… and a large infusion of capital, you know, from our new friends in the region to help make this area an area that's worth living in for Jews and Arabs,” the former ambassador explained.

https://allisrael.com/top-trump-advisor-amb-david-friedman-suggests-a-one-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Trump will impose a one state solution.

And what is wrong with that? What Friedman is saying sounds like the best possible outcome for Palestinians in the near future. I mean, it is clear that a two state solutions is completely off the table at this point - 10/7 showed that Palestinians have zero interest in cooperation with their neighbors and pose a national security threat to any Jewish state - and removal of Palestinians does not appear to be feasible at this time.

Friedman’s plan appears to allow some limited self governance while allowing Israel to provide strong security and intelligence measures over the long term, and treat the Palestinian people well. If Biden cared about this conflict, this would be what he would be suggesting, not trying to push some dead on arrival two-state solution neither side wants.

I want Palestine back.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole notion of Israel forcing other countries to air drop food to starving Palestinians makes me want to vomit. I don’t ever want to hear a Jew talk about their moral values again.

+1000. That and the phrase "never again."

Yeah, “never again” unless we decide to be the bloodthirsty child killers. What a bunch of morally depraved hypocrites.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Americans realize how radical Israel is. It’s as radical as all Middle Eastern terror groups

Miraculously America has not yet suffered a 9/11 style terror attack committed by Jewish Israeli radicals.

But for America’s support of Israel, the terrible events of 9/11 wouldn’t have even occurred. The perpetrators specifically, irrefutably stated that America’s persistent involvement in supporting Israel’s atrocities was their trigger. In turn, OEF also would never have occurred because there would have been nothing to respond to. But Israel wasn’t done - it had to up the ante by manufacturing the false intelligence that led the U.S. into OIF, too.

Just in the past 25 years, Israel has effectively attacked America and created a death toll several orders of magnitude beyond 9/11.

Of course it is the Jews fault that Muslim extremists decided to terrorize and murder Americans

How do you explain the fact that THEY wrote manifestos specifically airing literally only that grievance against U.S. support of Israel?

Also, you’re never going to create guilt by association for peaceful Jews. Israel and its Zionists supporters don’t speak for all worldwide Jews.

I don’t care about manifestos from suicidal terrorists and you shouldn’t either.

I seek to understand those who would do me harm. You, apparently, would prefer i believe those manifestos were carefully written to deceive us as to their actual intentions. I repeat - moron.

I find it easy to understand why someone who believes they have been told by god to murder infidels would want to kill me. You don’t?

I find it easier to believe their own words, not yours.

By all means, you have the right to believe the words of suicidal terrorists.

Since my ancestors were previously enslaved, does that mean I should commit terror attacks on the descendants of those who enslaved them? Perhaps I should write a manifesto to lay out my motivations.

I’m not Pp but That’s a false equivalency don’t you think? Comparing past to present and descendants experiences to that of to actual slaves is a stretch.

During slavery, There were plenty of suicide pacts and slaves that committed revolts against slavemasters :often divinely inspired . Nat Turner, was a preacher, who said he was personally inspired by God to do what would now be called terrorism . He went on a killing spree and killed over 60 (some say over 150+ white people) and he was executed along with his followers.

There are many examples in history of divine inspired terrorism.

So terror attacks are OK when inspired by the divine because they have a long history? Good to know.

No but they are ok when they are against oppression. Armed rebellion and resistance by Jews and Christians were done countless times at different points in history during times of oppression. The Spanish Inquisition was largely a Christian uprising . Learn some history and you won’t be in shock and awe that the terrorism of our today is mostly sequestered in the same region that colonialism , oil, and lots of wars in. War doesn’t create happy campers and Israel is smart enough to know that but doesn’t care. They will take the chances becuase it’s not like they are going to lose the guarantee of our weapons or friendship

Oh really? Well as an Asian American female living in the US, I am oppressed!

1. White male judges say I can’t get an abortion

2. My ancestors were enslaved to build the railroads

3. I face discrimination in American institutions. One example, until a few months ago I was intentionally and systematically discriminated against in obtaining admission to elite universities.

So that means a terror plot that results in the deaths of hundreds of innocent people is justified. Got it.

With all due respect, there are differences in scale here. You're not trapped in an enclave where you're being slaughtered and starved (1 in 75 has been killed in this current war alone, and it's probably more like 1 in 50) and, if you were, you'd have every right to use force to defend yourself.

About a third of those killed in this conflict were Hamas fighters. And the ratio of civilians killed to each combatant in this conflict is much, much lower than many other conflicts. For example in the first Chechen war, 10 civilians were killed by Russia for every one fighter killed. Similarly in Syria, Assad's forces have been killing 10 civilians for every one fighter killed. And those are two of Palestine's big allies.

Neither you nor the IDF has a clue as to who is or isn't a Hamas fighter. The IDF routinely kidnaps Palestinian males, accuses them of being Hamas, strips them, and tortures them. It does this whether they are in Hamas or not because it has no clue. Of course, Israel is going to claim those numbers. Does anyone really believe anything Israel says anymore? A significant percentage of the current Israeli leadership is sociopathic, and sociopaths are glib and compulsive liars.

Dumb. They do not torture them. Since suicide bombers are unfortunately a reality, and any said no one knows on sight who is a Hamas fighter, there are security concerns and that’s why you see the pictures of these shirtless men. Get over it.

Yes, they absolutely do torture innocent men. It's business as usual. You should read the story of Palestinian poet Mosab Abu Toha. He is a pacifist and certainly not part of Hamas but, like most writers and journalists, an embarrassment to Israel because he has a powerful voice and documents Israel's atrocities. He and his surviving family members have narrowly escaped death from Israeli aggression several times, and not just in this war.

Mosab and his family were traveling south to the Rafah crossing after receiving permission from the American state department to return to the States when he was kidnapped, forced to strip, humiliated, blindfolded accused of being in Hamas, severely beaten, and forced to kneel painfully for hours. He heard other men around him being tortured. The captives were given very little to eat or drink. Nobody, including his family, knew where he was or where he had been taken. Many men abducted with him were treated similarly or worse. As they have been doing to Palestinians since 1948, the IDF stole most of his possessions.

Thankfully, he has friends in high places, and the State Department intervened. He was released, but only because he is relatively famous and has influential friends.

You can read his story here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/01/01/a-palestinian-poets-perilous-journey-out-of-gaza

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Anonymous wrote:More children in Gaza have died from starvation, one of the cruelest deaths. This is gratuitous sadism. God, I hate Israel!

They wouldn't be starving right now if their Palestinian leadership hadn't decided to sadistically attack and massacre Israeli civilians.

This, of course. Also, they wouldn't be starving if Hamas didn't embed among civilians (and aid organizations!) and divert international aid toward terrorist purposes.

But you won't change PP's mind. PP is either a foreign troll or a brainwashed useful idiot for the Islamist terrorists and the regimes that back them (Russia, Iran, Qatar).

Oh, all those little babies are entirely to blame for being starved. And the children being dismembered? Entirely their fault. How dare they exist? Why can't they lie down and die more quietly and quickly? It would be so much more convenient for Israel if Palestinians would be genocided without so much fuss. Once they're gone, settlers can move in. As Daniella Weiss says, Gaza needs to be erased so that the real people, the only people that matter, can see the sea. It's not really genocide if they're just human animals, cockroaches, rats. Best to get rid of them.

But the international community and their mistaken beliefs that Palestinians might be human. Sigh! What to do with them? Such an inconvenience that they can't literally be erased too, but let's depict them as supporters of Islamic terrorism. There you go. That should work. As Goebbels said, accuse others of what you are doing. Zionist terrorism created Israel, so let's accuse them of supporting terrorism, too. The international community only exists to be manipulated and exploited for money and weapons. We need to take care of those getting uppity ideas about having their own moral agency.

Actually you’re the Goebbels here. Well done.

I'm not the one supporting genocide. You are.

[Anonymous]

At any point, Hamas could have ended this burgeoning tragedy to surrender and release every hostage.

Now, they're unwilling to provide a list of any surviving hostages.

Hamas is anathema to peace for Gaza.

Hamas instigated and owns this humanitarian catastrophe.

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At any point, Hamas could have ended this burgeoning tragedy to surrender and release every hostage.

Now, they're unwilling to provide a list of any surviving hostages.

Hamas is anathema to peace for Gaza.

Hamas instigated and owns this humanitarian catastrophe.

Equally, Israel could surrender and release every hostage/captive. It could return the land and homes it stole. How many people is Israel imprisoning without trial? How many people has it disappeared? How many innocent Palestinian men like Mosab Abu Toha is it holding and torturing? Remember, Israel set this precedent, not Hamas. When you talk of the Israeli hostages, you also have to talk about the Palestinian prisoners and those who have disappeared.

"On 16 December the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) declared it had received “numerous disturbing reports” from northern Gaza 'of mass detentions, ill-treatment and enforced disappearances of possibly thousands of Palestinians,' including children."
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/urgently-investigate-inhumane-treatment-and-enforced-disappearance-of-palestinians-detainees-from-gaza/

[Anonymous]

Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately. I am not sure what they are waiting for

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately. I am not sure what they are waiting for

In general, I agree, but who would take over from Bibi? Ben-Gvir? Smotrich?