Social distancing - what are you allowing, and tell me your reasoning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I have followed "the rules," more or less to the letter. We have achieved our mission in flattening the curve. Yes, I think it's time to start loosening up. If you disagree, that's fine. You don't have to attend my BBQ.

The thing is, you don’t get to decide this mission is achieved and that it’s time to start loosening up. If you want to make those decisions, try and run for governor or a local government office. Until then, follow the regulations that those who were elected impose. You are not special, just stupid.

Nice to hear you say that. Similarly, you don't get to decide what other people do.

[Anonymous]

What did they do in other countries regarding child care for adults who were put up in hotels?

Honestly, it doesn't sound that bad to me. I would rather be sick and be able to relax in a free hotel room then infect my DH and kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to reopen (hint, it's not "eh, things are okay enough, I'll have a barbecue"):

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1253351877787467779

Americans will not stand for being forcibly removed from their families. And nor should they. It's a horrible thing to do. Who is going to care for the children? Who is going to pay for the hotels? We can't even test the infectious.

I take this disease seriously, but there's no way I'm going along with that bullsh*t. And neither will most Americans.

Actually, it is. We all have to decide what level of risk we're comfortable with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I'm the "BECAUSE WE ARE STAYING AT HOME" lady and this has been fun, as usual, DCUM. Great reading comprehension all around. Certainly no one putting words into my mouth, like pretending I told everyone to STAY AT HOME FOREVER OR UNTIL THERE'S A VACCINE OR WHATEVER.

I was going to present a bunch of points about infection rate (even 1.5 new infections per person is exponential-- ever increasing-- though it's much lower than the 2.5 expected with zero social distancing measures). Or mention that hey, in the DC area and many others, infection rates are continuing to increase even with social distancing! Hospitals may not (yet) be overwhelmed here, but we haven't (yet) flattened the curve at all! Yes, let's relax things now, while we are seeing a rising hospitalization rate every day. Oh, it's not affecting you so much in Nebraska yet? Cool, that couldn't possibly mean that you started out with fewer cases or you have yet to see your peak or anything. It must mean that you did something right, and now your job is done.

Great job, everyone! It's definitely not super early in the game, with loads of possible effects we haven't yet seen. We've done it! Time to have that barbecue that "no one here is saying" we should.

In conclusion:

in my state, the curve has definitely flattened and we have an overabundance of hospital space.

So you are wrong on all counts. Our barbecue will continue. But you continue trying to lock up your kids.

What makes it possible for you to have a low-risk barbecue is the fact that NO ONE ELSE IS. Unless you think it would be fine for every person in America to have friends over this weekend, you shouldn't either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I'm the "BECAUSE WE ARE STAYING AT HOME" lady and this has been fun, as usual, DCUM. Great reading comprehension all around. Certainly no one putting words into my mouth, like pretending I told everyone to STAY AT HOME FOREVER OR UNTIL THERE'S A VACCINE OR WHATEVER.

I was going to present a bunch of points about infection rate (even 1.5 new infections per person is exponential-- ever increasing-- though it's much lower than the 2.5 expected with zero social distancing measures). Or mention that hey, in the DC area and many others, infection rates are continuing to increase even with social distancing! Hospitals may not (yet) be overwhelmed here, but we haven't (yet) flattened the curve at all! Yes, let's relax things now, while we are seeing a rising hospitalization rate every day. Oh, it's not affecting you so much in Nebraska yet? Cool, that couldn't possibly mean that you started out with fewer cases or you have yet to see your peak or anything. It must mean that you did something right, and now your job is done.

Great job, everyone! It's definitely not super early in the game, with loads of possible effects we haven't yet seen. We've done it! Time to have that barbecue that "no one here is saying" we should.

In conclusion:

in my state, the curve has definitely flattened and we have an overabundance of hospital space.

So you are wrong on all counts. Our barbecue will continue. But you continue trying to lock up your kids.

What makes it possible for you to have a low-risk barbecue is the fact that NO ONE ELSE IS. Unless you think it would be fine for every person in America to have friends over this weekend, you shouldn't either.

Not every state is the SAME, GET IT!? Different rules in my state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I'm the "BECAUSE WE ARE STAYING AT HOME" lady and this has been fun, as usual, DCUM. Great reading comprehension all around. Certainly no one putting words into my mouth, like pretending I told everyone to STAY AT HOME FOREVER OR UNTIL THERE'S A VACCINE OR WHATEVER.

I was going to present a bunch of points about infection rate (even 1.5 new infections per person is exponential-- ever increasing-- though it's much lower than the 2.5 expected with zero social distancing measures). Or mention that hey, in the DC area and many others, infection rates are continuing to increase even with social distancing! Hospitals may not (yet) be overwhelmed here, but we haven't (yet) flattened the curve at all! Yes, let's relax things now, while we are seeing a rising hospitalization rate every day. Oh, it's not affecting you so much in Nebraska yet? Cool, that couldn't possibly mean that you started out with fewer cases or you have yet to see your peak or anything. It must mean that you did something right, and now your job is done.

Great job, everyone! It's definitely not super early in the game, with loads of possible effects we haven't yet seen. We've done it! Time to have that barbecue that "no one here is saying" we should.

In conclusion:

in my state, the curve has definitely flattened and we have an overabundance of hospital space.

So you are wrong on all counts. Our barbecue will continue. But you continue trying to lock up your kids.

What makes it possible for you to have a low-risk barbecue is the fact that NO ONE ELSE IS. Unless you think it would be fine for every person in America to have friends over this weekend, you shouldn't either.

Not every state is the SAME, GET IT!? Different rules in my state.

Do share your state and the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I'm the "BECAUSE WE ARE STAYING AT HOME" lady and this has been fun, as usual, DCUM. Great reading comprehension all around. Certainly no one putting words into my mouth, like pretending I told everyone to STAY AT HOME FOREVER OR UNTIL THERE'S A VACCINE OR WHATEVER.

I was going to present a bunch of points about infection rate (even 1.5 new infections per person is exponential-- ever increasing-- though it's much lower than the 2.5 expected with zero social distancing measures). Or mention that hey, in the DC area and many others, infection rates are continuing to increase even with social distancing! Hospitals may not (yet) be overwhelmed here, but we haven't (yet) flattened the curve at all! Yes, let's relax things now, while we are seeing a rising hospitalization rate every day. Oh, it's not affecting you so much in Nebraska yet? Cool, that couldn't possibly mean that you started out with fewer cases or you have yet to see your peak or anything. It must mean that you did something right, and now your job is done.

Great job, everyone! It's definitely not super early in the game, with loads of possible effects we haven't yet seen. We've done it! Time to have that barbecue that "no one here is saying" we should.

In conclusion:

in my state, the curve has definitely flattened and we have an overabundance of hospital space.

So you are wrong on all counts. Our barbecue will continue. But you continue trying to lock up your kids.

What makes it possible for you to have a low-risk barbecue is the fact that NO ONE ELSE IS. Unless you think it would be fine for every person in America to have friends over this weekend, you shouldn't either.

A few friends over, sitting out the yard 6' apart, enjoying a meal together? Yes, I think it would be fine for just about anyone to do that at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal was to flatten the curve. We have done that. Mission accomplished.

It is not going to be just another six weeks of this virus. Probably a year or more. So we will need to relax the social distancing policies to survive, politically, emotionally and emotionally.

+1. The virus could stick around, it could be less of a problem in the summer and come back in the fall like other viruses do, it could burn out like SARS did, we could get to a point where we have herd immunity. We don't know. But at some point we're going to have to weigh economics, education, civil liberties, etc. with the risk. I'm happy to see that in the reopening guidelines for governors (no, not the reopening plan from the White House, but one put together by the Association of Governors, led by Hogan and Cuomo) includes balancing medical/hospital resources is part of the plan. With Maryland re-opening Laurel Hospital to accept COVID patients, that's a big help in the balance. Flattening the curve was never meant to prevent everyone from getting COVID, it was to try to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time. The curve doesn't come to a complete stop, it just flattens and lengthens.

Of course. We know all of this. Don't you think it's best to then wait for the data driven plan instead of everyone just doing what feels best right now?

Well we may be waiting for a LONG time as the data keeps changing. Remember how we were told wearing face masks was useless? And now we're told to wear face masks with the Surgeon General giving us a cute little youtube tutorial.

Remember how asymptomatic carriers were contagious? The latest is they aren't.

Remember how mortality rates are changing practically daily?

And it's understandable that the data will keep changing. That's how science works. But we may never have this completely figured out, heck we can't even get a completely effective flu shot (I say this as someone who gets one every year and makes my kids). So for the data to be set in stone and not changing, we're going to be waiting a long time.

This. X1000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal was to flatten the curve. We have done that. Mission accomplished.

It is not going to be just another six weeks of this virus. Probably a year or more. So we will need to relax the social distancing policies to survive, politically, emotionally and emotionally.

+1. The virus could stick around, it could be less of a problem in the summer and come back in the fall like other viruses do, it could burn out like SARS did, we could get to a point where we have herd immunity. We don't know. But at some point we're going to have to weigh economics, education, civil liberties, etc. with the risk. I'm happy to see that in the reopening guidelines for governors (no, not the reopening plan from the White House, but one put together by the Association of Governors, led by Hogan and Cuomo) includes balancing medical/hospital resources is part of the plan. With Maryland re-opening Laurel Hospital to accept COVID patients, that's a big help in the balance. Flattening the curve was never meant to prevent everyone from getting COVID, it was to try to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time. The curve doesn't come to a complete stop, it just flattens and lengthens.

Of course. We know all of this. Don't you think it's best to then wait for the data driven plan instead of everyone just doing what feels best right now?

Well we may be waiting for a LONG time as the data keeps changing. Remember how we were told wearing face masks was useless? And now we're told to wear face masks with the Surgeon General giving us a cute little youtube tutorial.

Remember how asymptomatic carriers were contagious? The latest is they aren't.

Remember how mortality rates are changing practically daily?

And it's understandable that the data will keep changing. That's how science works. But we may never have this completely figured out, heck we can't even get a completely effective flu shot (I say this as someone who gets one every year and makes my kids). So for the data to be set in stone and not changing, we're going to be waiting a long time.

This. X1000.

Where is this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal was to flatten the curve. We have done that. Mission accomplished.

It is not going to be just another six weeks of this virus. Probably a year or more. So we will need to relax the social distancing policies to survive, politically, emotionally and emotionally.

+1. The virus could stick around, it could be less of a problem in the summer and come back in the fall like other viruses do, it could burn out like SARS did, we could get to a point where we have herd immunity. We don't know. But at some point we're going to have to weigh economics, education, civil liberties, etc. with the risk. I'm happy to see that in the reopening guidelines for governors (no, not the reopening plan from the White House, but one put together by the Association of Governors, led by Hogan and Cuomo) includes balancing medical/hospital resources is part of the plan. With Maryland re-opening Laurel Hospital to accept COVID patients, that's a big help in the balance. Flattening the curve was never meant to prevent everyone from getting COVID, it was to try to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time. The curve doesn't come to a complete stop, it just flattens and lengthens.

Of course. We know all of this. Don't you think it's best to then wait for the data driven plan instead of everyone just doing what feels best right now?

Well we may be waiting for a LONG time as the data keeps changing. Remember how we were told wearing face masks was useless? And now we're told to wear face masks with the Surgeon General giving us a cute little youtube tutorial.

Remember how asymptomatic carriers were contagious? The latest is they aren't.

Remember how mortality rates are changing practically daily?

And it's understandable that the data will keep changing. That's how science works. But we may never have this completely figured out, heck we can't even get a completely effective flu shot (I say this as someone who gets one every year and makes my kids). So for the data to be set in stone and not changing, we're going to be waiting a long time.

This. X1000.

Where is this?

PP has it backwards. The “experts” previously insisted that asymptomatic transmission was not a major factor in the spread of the virus and we should only focus on people who have symptoms...but now course has reversed and all we hear about is how you can unknowingly spread it to people. But the broader point remains — shaming people for not listening to THE EXPERTS!!!! is so stupid given how wrong the experts have been on pretty much everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it's sustainable in my house/yard too. I realize not everyone has a home with privacy and a yard, but if you do, suck it up buttercup.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s “sustainable.” It’s necessary.

My kids haven’t left the house since March 16 and will continue to stay at home for as long as necessary.

Please tell me you're not serious about this. Your kids literally have not left the house since March 16? I do hope that's a typo.

Yes, I am serious. They have left the house to go for walks together, and on their own. The older one is a cross country runner, and he goes for runs on his own.

One of them went to pick up takeout curbside a few weeks ago.

That’s it.

What do you think they should be doing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal was to flatten the curve. We have done that. Mission accomplished.

It is not going to be just another six weeks of this virus. Probably a year or more. So we will need to relax the social distancing policies to survive, politically, emotionally and emotionally.

People keep saying we've "accomplished" the goal of flattening the curve, so we're "done."

That's literally not how this works.

It's flatter than it would be BECAUSE WE ARE STAYING AT HOME. Once we resume anything even vaguely resembling normal life-- without heavy testing and tracing-- the curve will shoot up again.

Like-- what do you think we have PERMANENTLY accomplished at this point? Not much. It sucks, but I cannot fathom why people think we actually squashed the virus in any meaningful way at this point. We made it so most hospitals aren't overwhelmed-- that's why you flatten the infection curve. We haven't defeated the virus-- there are many more people infected now than there were on March 10 or 15. If we are talking about the risk of illness and death, we are in worse shape to interact with one another than we were in March 15. We are MORE likely to get the disease now.

We’re fine with the STAY AT HOME part. That was never about elimination of the virus or the risk. It was about protecting our health care systems, many of which are now do empty they’re going broke.

It’s time to move on, risks and all. I’m will to continue some social distancing but will no longer stay cooped up, locked away from friends and family. We’re planning and outdoor BBQ for next week for example, for a small group.

So the rules just don't apply to you. Awesome.

I have followed "the rules," more or less to the letter. We have achieved our mission in flattening the curve. Yes, I think it's time to start loosening up. If you disagree, that's fine. You don't have to attend my BBQ.

“More or less to the letter“ is a contradiction in terms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it's sustainable in my house/yard too. I realize not everyone has a home with privacy and a yard, but if you do, suck it up buttercup.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s “sustainable.” It’s necessary.

My kids haven’t left the house since March 16 and will continue to stay at home for as long as necessary.

Please tell me you're not serious about this. Your kids literally have not left the house since March 16? I do hope that's a typo.

Yes, I am serious. They have left the house to go for walks together, and on their own. The older one is a cross country runner, and he goes for runs on his own.

One of them went to pick up takeout curbside a few weeks ago.

That’s it.

What do you think they should be doing?

Not that PP, but your post sounded like they hadn't been outdoors, period. She asked you if you meant it literally and you said yes, so....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it's sustainable in my house/yard too. I realize not everyone has a home with privacy and a yard, but if you do, suck it up buttercup.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s “sustainable.” It’s necessary.

My kids haven’t left the house since March 16 and will continue to stay at home for as long as necessary.

Please tell me you're not serious about this. Your kids literally have not left the house since March 16? I do hope that's a typo.

Yes, I am serious. They have left the house to go for walks together, and on their own. The older one is a cross country runner, and he goes for runs on his own.

One of them went to pick up takeout curbside a few weeks ago.

That’s it.

What do you think they should be doing?

Not that PP, but your post sounded like they hadn't been outdoors, period. She asked you if you meant it literally and you said yes, so....

The point is that they have not seen friends, have not socialized, have not shot baskets with anyone outside of our immediate family. They will not do any of that for the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t live in DC, I live in Oregon now and our curve is beyond flattened. Our hospitals are empty. Everyone here are still acting like they are going to drop dead going on a walk though.

I gave in recently to two friends hanging out. After a few store trips where I had so many ppl around me, it felt super pointless to allow that but not allow a handful of friends (whose families are all at home) esp considering the super low cases in my county.

Kids are almost entirely safe from severe symptoms of coronavirus - when you let them hang out, you are really just endangering the adults in your house. So that’s your decision. I personally am not afraid and think that as we aren’t getting rid of it anytime soon, and vaccine looks unlikely (considering past history) we need to move on somewhat from this fear paralysis and accept the virus will be something many of us will get.

And no I’m not a protester - Im proud of my state actually just ready to move on.

Your about 3 weeks behind in the news or you chose the wrong language. We used to think kids were "almost entirely safe from severe symptoms." Since then kids with no known pre-existing conditions have died. They are less likely than we are to get a severe response and even less likely than their grandparents, but kids absolutely are at risk, they can have permanent damage from this illness and they can die. This goes beyond flu risks.

+1
and they are learning new things about the virus and its long term effects on the body's organs
even the organs of the young