Social distancing - what are you allowing, and tell me your reasoning.

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Anonymous wrote:The goal was to flatten the curve. We have done that. Mission accomplished.

It is not going to be just another six weeks of this virus. Probably a year or more. So we will need to relax the social distancing policies to survive, politically, emotionally and emotionally.

+1. The virus could stick around, it could be less of a problem in the summer and come back in the fall like other viruses do, it could burn out like SARS did, we could get to a point where we have herd immunity. We don't know. But at some point we're going to have to weigh economics, education, civil liberties, etc. with the risk. I'm happy to see that in the reopening guidelines for governors (no, not the reopening plan from the White House, but one put together by the Association of Governors, led by Hogan and Cuomo) includes balancing medical/hospital resources is part of the plan. With Maryland re-opening Laurel Hospital to accept COVID patients, that's a big help in the balance. Flattening the curve was never meant to prevent everyone from getting COVID, it was to try to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time. The curve doesn't come to a complete stop, it just flattens and lengthens.

Of course. We know all of this. Don't you think it's best to then wait for the data driven plan instead of everyone just doing what feels best right now?

Well we may be waiting for a LONG time as the data keeps changing. Remember how we were told wearing face masks was useless? And now we're told to wear face masks with the Surgeon General giving us a cute little youtube tutorial.

Remember how asymptomatic carriers were contagious? The latest is they aren't.


I recently read that too (about they aren't contagious) about two days ago. And from CDC's website:

Transmission
The onset and duration of viral shedding and the period of infectiousness for COVID-19 are not yet known. It is possible that SARS-CoV-2 RNA may be detectable in the upper or lower respiratory tract for weeks after illness onset, similar to infections with MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV. However, detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that infectious virus is present. There are reports of asymptomatic infections (detection of virus with no development of symptoms) and pre-symptomatic infections (detection of virus prior to development of symptoms) with SARS-CoV-2, but their role in transmission is not yet known. Based on existing literature, the incubation period (the time from exposure to development of symptoms) of SARS-CoV-2 and other coronaviruses (e.g. MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV) ranges from 2–14 days.
Remember how mortality rates are changing practically daily?

And it's understandable that the data will keep changing. That's how science works. But we may never have this completely figured out, heck we can't even get a completely effective flu shot (I say this as someone who gets one every year and makes my kids). So for the data to be set in stone and not changing, we're going to be waiting a long time.

This. X1000.

Where is this?

PP has it backwards. The “experts” previously insisted that asymptomatic transmission was not a major factor in the spread of the virus and we should only focus on people who have symptoms...but now course has reversed and all we hear about is how you can unknowingly spread it to people. But the broader point remains — shaming people for not listening to THE EXPERTS!!!! is so stupid given how wrong the experts have been on pretty much everything.

And now it’s shifted back to the “experts” saying the asymptotic aren’t spreading it—see, you can’t even keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal was to flatten the curve. We have done that. Mission accomplished.

It is not going to be just another six weeks of this virus. Probably a year or more. So we will need to relax the social distancing policies to survive, politically, emotionally and emotionally.

+1. The virus could stick around, it could be less of a problem in the summer and come back in the fall like other viruses do, it could burn out like SARS did, we could get to a point where we have herd immunity. We don't know. But at some point we're going to have to weigh economics, education, civil liberties, etc. with the risk. I'm happy to see that in the reopening guidelines for governors (no, not the reopening plan from the White House, but one put together by the Association of Governors, led by Hogan and Cuomo) includes balancing medical/hospital resources is part of the plan. With Maryland re-opening Laurel Hospital to accept COVID patients, that's a big help in the balance. Flattening the curve was never meant to prevent everyone from getting COVID, it was to try to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time. The curve doesn't come to a complete stop, it just flattens and lengthens.

Of course. We know all of this. Don't you think it's best to then wait for the data driven plan instead of everyone just doing what feels best right now?

Well we may be waiting for a LONG time as the data keeps changing. Remember how we were told wearing face masks was useless? And now we're told to wear face masks with the Surgeon General giving us a cute little youtube tutorial.

Remember how asymptomatic carriers were contagious? The latest is they aren't.

Remember how mortality rates are changing practically daily?

And it's understandable that the data will keep changing. That's how science works. But we may never have this completely figured out, heck we can't even get a completely effective flu shot (I say this as someone who gets one every year and makes my kids). So for the data to be set in stone and not changing, we're going to be waiting a long time.

This. X1000.

Where is this?

PP has it backwards. The “experts” previously insisted that asymptomatic transmission was not a major factor in the spread of the virus and we should only focus on people who have symptoms...but now course has reversed and all we hear about is how you can unknowingly spread it to people. But the broader point remains — shaming people for not listening to THE EXPERTS!!!! is so stupid given how wrong the experts have been on pretty much everything.

And now it’s shifted back to the “experts” saying the asymptotic aren’t spreading it—see, you can’t even keep up.

From CDC's website:

Transmission
The onset and duration of viral shedding and the period of infectiousness for COVID-19 are not yet known. It is possible that SARS-CoV-2 RNA may be detectable in the upper or lower respiratory tract for weeks after illness onset, similar to infections with MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV. However, detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that infectious virus is present. There are reports of asymptomatic infections (detection of virus with no development of symptoms) and pre-symptomatic infections (detection of virus prior to development of symptoms) with SARS-CoV-2, but their role in transmission is not yet known. Based on existing literature, the incubation period (the time from exposure to development of symptoms) of SARS-CoV-2 and other coronaviruses (e.g. MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV) ranges from 2–14 days.

So yup, even they can't say with certainty.

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Where is the info that asymptomatic carriers aren't spreading or shedding viral load info coming from? I can't find anything on that idea

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal was to flatten the curve. We have done that. Mission accomplished.

It is not going to be just another six weeks of this virus. Probably a year or more. So we will need to relax the social distancing policies to survive, politically, emotionally and emotionally.

+1. The virus could stick around, it could be less of a problem in the summer and come back in the fall like other viruses do, it could burn out like SARS did, we could get to a point where we have herd immunity. We don't know. But at some point we're going to have to weigh economics, education, civil liberties, etc. with the risk. I'm happy to see that in the reopening guidelines for governors (no, not the reopening plan from the White House, but one put together by the Association of Governors, led by Hogan and Cuomo) includes balancing medical/hospital resources is part of the plan. With Maryland re-opening Laurel Hospital to accept COVID patients, that's a big help in the balance. Flattening the curve was never meant to prevent everyone from getting COVID, it was to try to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time. The curve doesn't come to a complete stop, it just flattens and lengthens.

Of course. We know all of this. Don't you think it's best to then wait for the data driven plan instead of everyone just doing what feels best right now?

Well we may be waiting for a LONG time as the data keeps changing. Remember how we were told wearing face masks was useless? And now we're told to wear face masks with the Surgeon General giving us a cute little youtube tutorial.

Remember how asymptomatic carriers were contagious? The latest is they aren't.

Remember how mortality rates are changing practically daily?

And it's understandable that the data will keep changing. That's how science works. But we may never have this completely figured out, heck we can't even get a completely effective flu shot (I say this as someone who gets one every year and makes my kids). So for the data to be set in stone and not changing, we're going to be waiting a long time.

This. X1000.

Where is this?

PP has it backwards. The “experts” previously insisted that asymptomatic transmission was not a major factor in the spread of the virus and we should only focus on people who have symptoms...but now course has reversed and all we hear about is how you can unknowingly spread it to people. But the broader point remains — shaming people for not listening to THE EXPERTS!!!! is so stupid given how wrong the experts have been on pretty much everything.

And now it’s shifted back to the “experts” saying the asymptotic aren’t spreading it—see, you can’t even keep up.

Where do you see that? All the studies thus far suggest that at least 6% of transmissions are from presymptomatic/asymptomatic carriers.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t live in DC, I live in Oregon now and our curve is beyond flattened. Our hospitals are empty. Everyone here are still acting like they are going to drop dead going on a walk though.

I gave in recently to two friends hanging out. After a few store trips where I had so many ppl around me, it felt super pointless to allow that but not allow a handful of friends (whose families are all at home) esp considering the super low cases in my county.

Kids are almost entirely safe from severe symptoms of coronavirus - when you let them hang out, you are really just endangering the adults in your house. So that’s your decision. I personally am not afraid and think that as we aren’t getting rid of it anytime soon, and vaccine looks unlikely (considering past history) we need to move on somewhat from this fear paralysis and accept the virus will be something many of us will get.

And no I’m not a protester - Im proud of my state actually just ready to move on.

Your about 3 weeks behind in the news or you chose the wrong language. We used to think kids were "almost entirely safe from severe symptoms." Since then kids with no known pre-existing conditions have died. They are less likely than we are to get a severe response and even less likely than their grandparents, but kids absolutely are at risk, they can have permanent damage from this illness and they can die. This goes beyond flu risks.

A few have died, yes, but it’s still statistically a very small percentage, which was why I said “almost” safe. Statistically at this point children are still at higher risk of death from flu. You are correct that we don’t know about permanent side effects.

We all look at things differently. I am not a fearful person though and many ppl are “what if” safety first at all costs ppl. It’s just not me.