$25 min wage in DC

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So people want the dishwasher and burger flipper making more than a starting teacher. Sound economic move. $15 is a reasonable minimum wage that won’t cause more inflation and allow people to get a start in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:So people want the dishwasher and burger flipper making more than a starting teacher. Sound economic move. $15 is a reasonable minimum wage that won’t cause more inflation and allow people to get a start in the world.

Dishwasher is not a start. It's the ultimate job according to the DC council. That's a job you should have for a lifetime. According to some posters, dishwashers are even more valuable than electricians to society. Everyone wants a clean plate, but not everyone is sold on this new-fangled electricity.

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Anonymous wrote:A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

In every state that had a ballot initiative to increase the minimum wage, it passed easily. Red and blue.

Progressive economic ballot initiatives win in every state or municipality.

False.

https://ballotpedia.org/Results_for_minimum_wage_and_labor-related_ballot_measures,_2024

I guess they only pass in red states according to this link.

Surprising isn't it? Even CA backed out of raising the minimum wage. It was left to the voters though.

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Anonymous wrote:Issues like this are dangerous when presented to a city council comprised entirely of “community activists.” I’m not sure there is a single day of small business experience between the 13 of them.

Whether this is a good solution or not, we still have a massive affordability gap. For instance the average new house buyer just ticked up to 40, where it was 28 not that long ago. Keep ignoring these outcomes and we'll keep getting someone who will try to fix them, even if they end up failing.

Build more housing, not less. This has worked in other cities. We could try it here.

Did you move here yesterday? DC has been doing this for a very long time. The number of housing units has grown more than 20 percent over the past decade or so. Housing is expensive in part because incomes are very high here. Even cops and elementary school teachers make six figures.

Build more. The demand is still outstripping supply. When apartment buildings start competing for renters, things will improve.

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Anonymous wrote:A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

I can assure you that in the District, which is all that we are talking about here, both DCPS first year teachers and new grad RNs make significantly more than that.

And "the District" is woefully out of touch with the average American worker/voter.

Again with this stupidity. The only ones out of touch are the ones making hundreds of thousands per year and insisting the min wage HAS to stay at $17. You have no idea what it takes to survive on min wage.

Stupidity? I think not. I'm a Harris voter and a teacher who knows what it's like to struggle to maintain a home, security, and retirement. "The District" types like to demean typical American workers for their Trump votes. Democrats will lose again with these types of policies and decisions.

Actually, pandering and catering to people like you is why Dems keep losing. The party leadership is full of centrists.

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Anonymous wrote:Issues like this are dangerous when presented to a city council comprised entirely of “community activists.” I’m not sure there is a single day of small business experience between the 13 of them.

Whether this is a good solution or not, we still have a massive affordability gap. For instance the average new house buyer just ticked up to 40, where it was 28 not that long ago. Keep ignoring these outcomes and we'll keep getting someone who will try to fix them, even if they end up failing.

Build more housing, not less. This has worked in other cities. We could try it here.

Did you move here yesterday? DC has been doing this for a very long time. The number of housing units has grown more than 20 percent over the past decade or so. Housing is expensive in part because incomes are very high here. Even cops and elementary school teachers make six figures.

Build more. The demand is still outstripping supply. When apartment buildings start competing for renters, things will improve.

Up in CC DC, all the buildings have vacancy and offer months of free rent. However, the buildings are mostly pretty dated with few amenities and it isn’t the liveliest neighborhood for young people.

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Anonymous wrote:A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

I can assure you that in the District, which is all that we are talking about here, both DCPS first year teachers and new grad RNs make significantly more than that.

And "the District" is woefully out of touch with the average American worker/voter.

Again with this stupidity. The only ones out of touch are the ones making hundreds of thousands per year and insisting the min wage HAS to stay at $17. You have no idea what it takes to survive on min wage.

Stupidity? I think not. I'm a Harris voter and a teacher who knows what it's like to struggle to maintain a home, security, and retirement. "The District" types like to demean typical American workers for their Trump votes. Democrats will lose again with these types of policies and decisions.

What alternative universe do you live in? Centrists are a vanishing breed in both parties. It's why Congress is always so gridlocked.


Actually, pandering and catering to people like you is why Dems keep losing. The party leadership is full of centrists.

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Anonymous wrote:Issues like this are dangerous when presented to a city council comprised entirely of “community activists.” I’m not sure there is a single day of small business experience between the 13 of them.

Whether this is a good solution or not, we still have a massive affordability gap. For instance the average new house buyer just ticked up to 40, where it was 28 not that long ago. Keep ignoring these outcomes and we'll keep getting someone who will try to fix them, even if they end up failing.

Build more housing, not less. This has worked in other cities. We could try it here.

Did you move here yesterday? DC has been doing this for a very long time. The number of housing units has grown more than 20 percent over the past decade or so. Housing is expensive in part because incomes are very high here. Even cops and elementary school teachers make six figures.

Build more. The demand is still outstripping supply. When apartment buildings start competing for renters, things will improve.

Up in CC DC, all the buildings have vacancy and offer months of free rent. However, the buildings are mostly pretty dated with few amenities and it isn’t the liveliest neighborhood for young people.

So, someone is willing to let you live for free in a cardboard box. Surprised that there are no takers.

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Anonymous wrote:Issues like this are dangerous when presented to a city council comprised entirely of “community activists.” I’m not sure there is a single day of small business experience between the 13 of them.

Whether this is a good solution or not, we still have a massive affordability gap. For instance the average new house buyer just ticked up to 40, where it was 28 not that long ago. Keep ignoring these outcomes and we'll keep getting someone who will try to fix them, even if they end up failing.

Build more housing, not less. This has worked in other cities. We could try it here.

Did you move here yesterday? DC has been doing this for a very long time. The number of housing units has grown more than 20 percent over the past decade or so. Housing is expensive in part because incomes are very high here. Even cops and elementary school teachers make six figures.

Build more. The demand is still outstripping supply. When apartment buildings start competing for renters, things will improve.

Up in CC DC, all the buildings have vacancy and offer months of free rent. However, the buildings are mostly pretty dated with few amenities and it isn’t the liveliest neighborhood for young people.

There's tons of affordable housing in PG County.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine having to pay some teenager the equivalent of roughly $55k per year just to wash dishes or scrub toilets:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/workers-labor-advocates-call-for-dc-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-25/4025867/

R.I.P. DC economy. No am I going to pay $100/entree for mediocre food or, $900/night for a garbage hotel simply because businesses have to cover out control labor costs.

Teenagers are not during these jobs. They are competing with people who can work all year, without regard to limited hour restrictions. Basically most of these jobs are occupied by adults taking care of a family. With that said, that is a ridiculously high minimum wage salary for so little skills, so the question becomes will salary automatically increase for the skilled labor.

If someone with zero education and no skills gets $55k to take out your office trash bins, now your secretary with a bachelor's degree and 10 years experience will demand $110k salary just to afford restaurants that now cost $60/entree. If the secretary makes $110k, now we gotta pay teacher $200k, the scientist $350k and doctors $1M per year. The wage inflation spiral will never end until we are paying $1000 for dinner at Applebee's.

We won’t be going to Applebees. They will simply diminish .

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

I hope you won’t complain when that small business is replaced with a McDonald’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

I hope you won’t complain when that small business is replaced with a McDonald’s.

An automated McDonald's.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

Oh stop. If you make less than $100,000, you pay *jack shit* in taxes. Your taxes are miniscule. The top 10 percent pay for everything the government does.

[Anonymous]

The small business owners have been the biggest crooks.
Government hoping to make some tax revenue and business 'employing people' is the only reason they were allowed to stay open. Any tax revenue and more went right back to support the same workers that didn't get paid.

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Anonymous wrote:Issues like this are dangerous when presented to a city council comprised entirely of “community activists.” I’m not sure there is a single day of small business experience between the 13 of them.

Whether this is a good solution or not, we still have a massive affordability gap. For instance the average new house buyer just ticked up to 40, where it was 28 not that long ago. Keep ignoring these outcomes and we'll keep getting someone who will try to fix them, even if they end up failing.

Build more housing, not less. This has worked in other cities. We could try it here.

Did you move here yesterday? DC has been doing this for a very long time. The number of housing units has grown more than 20 percent over the past decade or so. Housing is expensive in part because incomes are very high here. Even cops and elementary school teachers make six figures.

Build more. The demand is still outstripping supply. When apartment buildings start competing for renters, things will improve.

Up in CC DC, all the buildings have vacancy and offer months of free rent. However, the buildings are mostly pretty dated with few amenities and it isn’t the liveliest neighborhood for young people.

So, someone is willing to let you live for free in a cardboard box. Surprised that there are no takers.

Not a cardboard box. Too many young people today are spoiled and expect too much without working for it.